GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #14

[Insp.Dots]

Thank you for that full detail.

So point 1. is allowed because Defence give permission? Judge confirms it's ok to admit then.
2. yes I could never believe there was nothing of value since may 2014 ( a query I had ages ago) so it's good to find out that actually it doesn't mean there is no evidence, just that we haven't heard about it. ( If he is addictive, it makes sense , there is more.)

But didn't both sides say in 'agreed facts' that NO sexual assault had taken place?

 

[Gigi-G]

I was going to post something saying isn't autocorrect great when it does stuff like that.

It should be called autoincorrect as it usually introduces more problems than it solves.

Haha yes most definitely... I've had some crackers I can assure you. I'm so glad that my red face isn't visible 😂

 

[Insp.Dots]

I can't work out why SH wasn't charged with murder until June, based on the kidnap texts.

The police had this information much earlier.

I think maybe it was the make up on masks, or perhaps they were simply waiting for as much evidence as they could get to present it to the CPS. Must admit when the Murder Charge came a lot of is thought there would be some major evidence found. Sadly doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[Wallace]

good points but as she was maintaining her innocence it would have looked a bit odd if she'd not removed her password for them and it would have been pointed out in court as another point against her, like it was in DD's case.

I agree.That post was just a list of reasons that could cause delay.

Recovering deleted messages does take time though. Don't think she'd have been dumb enough to leave those kidnapping messages sitting about. She was obviously pretty confident that they wouldn't find them. Kudos to the tech consultants that got those messages back.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Think it was his grandparents' property.

Would that be the grandma who took AG to her appt that day, the same one he grew up living with? So he's probably never changed his address officially.

(now I'm typing this I'm sure it has been discussed already and I've just forgotten)

 

[Yozzer]

Re AG parents: Address is listed to a couple with the same surname used for Anjie (as an alternative to Galsworthy). Don't want to be more specific online for data protection reasons.

 

[Insp.Dots]

Just thinking of the Tia Sharp case with Stuart Hazel........I wonder if we are going to get any last minute admissions or plea changes. I think SH may end up worse off than NM in Sentencing, due to her total denial and knowledge to anything. IMO I still can't work out exactly what she's Guilty of but her total lack of emotion and empathy is surely going to go against her with the Judge. Do we know if any of her Family are standing by her? Mum, Step Dad, Sisters?
My reason for asking that isn't out of Sympathy, but IF she believes she has lost everything & everyone then she may be beyond caring about the outcome.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Do you know what's weird, I've just been looking at google earth maps of the area, and noticed just behind CML there is a massive park, with a river/canal running alongside it, which joins the river Avon a few metres further along.

If you had to dispose of a body in the middle of the night, wouldn't that be a decent place? It disgusts me what happened to Becky after her death, anything would have been preferable to what he did. And he implicated all those other people while he was at it. I don't understand why he took so much of a risk when he could have just nipped out for a quick drive later that night. I just don't get it.

 

[Gigi-G]

Way, way back when NM was arrested I think, he gave an address as Hazelbury Drive in uWarmley, South Gloucestershire. I asked at the time whose house that was but am not sure if we ever worked it out. Any idea?

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Becky-...ristol-Crown/story-26129077-detail/story.html

Also, just noticed that article states there were 1200 exhibits to be examined!!!

It's NM'S Grandmother's house. And re the 1200 exhibits. We have only seen/heard of a fraction.

 

[edgedweller]

Way, way back when NM was arrested I think, he gave an address as Hazelbury Drive in Warmley, South Gloucestershire. I asked at the time whose house that was but am not sure if we ever worked it out. Any idea?

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Becky-...ristol-Crown/story-26129077-detail/story.html

Also, just noticed that article states there were 1200 exhibits to be examined!!!

His grandmother's house, I think.
Did my driving test in Warmley, irrelevantly....


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[Gigi-G]

I don't believe one bit of SH's account - neither the stomping nor the door slam we've discussed extensively. But I can imagine Becky being bumped and dragged rather than carried.

I don't believe in either of their accounts. Far too much left out and mismatched.

I'm pretty sure Becky was dragged down those stairs. He (NM) didnt care much for her head and body smashing down them. He wanted BW out of the house fast!. So more than likely thrown into the car too.

Makes for horrific reading but I'm afraid this is probably true to some degree. As I'm positive he couldn't hold single handedly a 9 stone dead weight cumbersome item such as a body.

Poor Becky.. may you fly with the Angels. 👼

 

[Alyce]

Would that be the grandma who took AG to her appt that day, the same one he grew up living with? So he's probably never changed his address officially.

(now I'm typing this I'm sure it has been discussed already and I've just forgotten)

Yes, that's correct

eta - bit late adding my post ! but, as per your earlier Q , I dont believe NM ever changed his address. He moved in with SH when she was 16 ( cant remember the address ) and then moved again with her when she went to CML. But both times he was not *officially*living with her, so kept his grandparents address.
I know it wont really count in the grand scheme of things, but would be good if there could be some action against them for defrauding. Even if NM was working, SH at least was defrauding by having him live with her full time.

Talking of which. I wonder ( and it probably is not relevant, just me being nosey ) where SH got the £5,000 which is in her ISA ( if this info is true of course ).
NM did at least have a few jobs, plus grandparents who seem to have cared about him, so I can understand how he might end up with some savings.
But SH had no one and, far as I know, no job.

 

[Cherwell]

I'm positive he couldn't hold single handedly a 9 stone dead weight cumbersome item such as a body.

Over the shoulder is the easiest way to carry a person. Like a fireman's lift.

 

[TupeloMz]

Just a random thought as I have been reading and getting caught up.... NM had lots of issues to dance around as he was preparing his statement. He had to make his "facts" fit in with man slaughter rather than murder and that he acted totally alone and that SH was totally unaware of any of it. His mind must have been wrecked! It is no wonder that nothing in his statement makes sense.

 

[Gigi-G]

Do you know what's weird, I've just been looking at google earth maps of the area, and noticed just behind CML there is a massive park, with a river/canal running alongside it, which joins the river Avon a few metres further along.

If you had to dispose of a body in the middle of the night, wouldn't that be a decent place? It disgusts me what happened to Becky after her death, anything would have been preferable to what he did. And he implicated all those other people while he was at it. I don't understand why he took so much of a risk when he could have just nipped out for a quick drive later that night. I just don't get it.

I totally agree with you there. Why not just let BW to become one with nature. Why treat her body with such utter contempt.
To me that is the work of a depraved evil soul. A soul that has little regard for a human life. As dismemberment is one of the most callous ways of disposal of a dead person. Let alone a family member you've known for umpteen years.
He (NM) cut her onesie and jumper off from the back. Why's That? He couldn't bear to look at her. The distain of his handiwork the shame. (Gory bit sorry)
I am pretty sure he would of decapitated her firstly. To separate his feelings. (He would of had some) Once the corpse was unrecognisable. He began his grotesque task.
To do this, go to such lengths. The hate. Jealousy. Rage would of driven him.
Mentally sick... physically and personally evil.
I do hope for BW'S family. That they get the sentences for NM & SH that are deserved. To be lenient on either of them. Will be like a slap on the face for the family. Jmo

Fly high with the Angels Becky 👼

 

[Gigi-G]

Over the shoulder is the easiest way to carry a person. Like a fireman's lift.

Agreed totally. But he would of been tired by this point in time I'm sure. His Fibro would of kicked in. From the sheer exertion of the struggle with BW.
And as he wanted to be 'quick about it' even if his adrenalin had pumped up. Hmmm we'll never know. Unless he spills the beans. Or has a book written or God forbid a film...

 

[TupeloMz]

Agree Gigi. I also wonder if the tape covering BW's face was applied after her death so he would not have to look at her face as the dismemberment was happening.
NM and SH are sick sick people. Imo.

 

[Tortoise]

[FONT=open_sans]On February 24, Matthews texted his mother Anjie Galsworthy – Becky's stepmother – at 9.36am, writing: "Hi just thought I would update you the police have searched Shauna's house and obviously found nothing.[/FONT]
[FONT=open_sans]"Hope you are managing as best as possible. See you tomorrow."[/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT=open_sans]Hoare also used Google to find online articles on the teenager's disappearance and searched the terms "Becky Watts", "Shauna" and "Nathan Matthews" on February 26.[/FONT][FONT=open_sans]

Read more: http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/...tory-27997448-detail/story.html#ixzz3qvgrfo1f
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You can almost sense his elation in the first message to Anjie. And they had been laughing about Becky's death - from the Frozen parody and the 'what time do you finish work LOL' text. Neither of them were horrified or remorseful about Becky's death. It was no situation that escalated by accident - they were excited. Nothing but whole life sentences will be enough. They do not care one jot about the effect on Becky's family.

Out of interest, they stayed away from the family that week. Wonder why they never went the next day as he said they would.[/FONT]

 

[Tortoise]

A cadaver dog would have gone berserk in their house. if police suspected them they should have turned up with one on 24th.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

Slightly OT- when people were mentioning other cases they are following, someone mentioned the Gypsy Rose Blancharde case. I was not familiar with that one, but have been reading up on it- and its a good one! Thanks to whoever mentioned it.