GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #14

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  • #621
A cadaver dog would have gone berserk in their house. if police suspected them they should have turned up with one on 24th.

The police failed on several occasions. They did a "quick search" while Becky's body was still in the house and because of all the junk, were unable to find anything. So at this point, they should have taken dogs in.

They really failed the second time they went to do a full search and allowed SH and NM to go out for a "dinner date" with SH's parents instead. Although the dinner never happened, it allowed NH to go back to the house and remove the suitcases that same night. How on earth the house was allowed to be unguarded that night, I really don't know. They could have caught them red handed.
 
  • #622
The police failed on several occasions. The did a "quick search" while Becky's body was still in the house and because of all the junk, were unable to find anything. So at this point, they should have taken dogs in.

They really failed the second time they went to do a full search and allowed SH and NM to go out for a "dinner date" with SH's parents instead. Although the dinner never happened, it allowed NH to go back to the house and remove the suitcases that same night. How on earth the house was allowed to be unguarded that night, I really don't know. They could have caught them red handed.

God, I wish they had taken dogs in there.


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  • #623
His grandmother's house, I think.
Did my driving test in Warmley, irrelevantly....


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So did I - must be same test route LOL

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  • #624
There seems to be something about NM and Becky's money. He stole her cheque (even though he couldn't cash it, he didn't want her to have it), he refused to pay her the £100 that he owed her. He thought his mother might be about to buy her a new tv, which angered him.

He somehow thought that what she had, should be his. He had absolutely no respect for Becky as a person, and she knew it. He treated her both before and after death with utter contempt.

As an older step-brother, he could have taken on the role as big brother/protector, as he had known her since she was a child, but for whatever reason, he chose to do the opposite, and torment her.

He wanted complete control over her, and in the end, he got it.
 
  • #625
The police failed on several occasions. The did a "quick search" while Becky's body was still in the house and because of all the junk, were unable to find anything. So at this point, they should have taken dogs in.

They really failed the second time they went to do a full search and allowed SH and NM to go out for a "dinner date" with SH's parents instead. Although the dinner never happened, it allowed NH to go back to the house and remove the suitcases that same night. How on earth the house was allowed to be unguarded that night, I really don't know. They could have caught them red handed.

I'm still confused about when this first visit when the blue box was still there actually happened. And why would it have just been the blue box and not the other parts? all body parts went to the shed on the same night.

Even if they'd let a dog sniff through an open letter box they would have got their answer.
 
  • #626
I'm still confused about when this first visit when the blue box was still there actually happened. And why would it have just been the blue box and not the other parts? all body parts went to the shed on the same night.

Even if they'd let a dog sniff through an open letter box they would have got their answer.

I don't think we have been told when exactly the first police "search" was. It had to be before Monday 23rd as police knocked twice in the morning and went back at 6pm. I don't think NM was specific about the blue box - he just said "Becky was still in the house" when police came
 
  • #627
I don't think we have been told when exactly the first police "search" was. It had to be before Monday 23rd as police knocked twice in the morning and went back at 6pm.

Not sure why you think it was only the blue box in the house at that point? NM said "Becky was still in the house" but he didn't say anything more specific.

I kind of assumed it was sometime on the Sunday by which time the box was in the lounge, probably under a pile of garden stuff e.g tyres and the packages were in one of the freezers somewhere, the saw etc was in the loft.

Don't forget that LO lived across the road from SH house so the search at LO house on Monday 23rd would have been known to SH and NM.
 
  • #628
Don't forget that LO lived across the road from SH house so the search at LO house on Monday 23rd would have been known to SH and NM.

True (if LO's house was searched on 23rd, I can't remember the exact day) but it was stated in court by NM that police had been in the house whilst Becky was still there by which he had to mean Becky's body presumably. That had to be before Monday 23rd
 
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Don't forget that LO lived across the road from SH house so the search at LO house on Monday 23rd would have been known to SH and NM.

They were pushed for time NM & SH. They could see that the Police were getting ever closer.
I really do think that given that BW had been missing for some days. That there should of been a Cadaver dog at every house search.
Maybe that might be an added pointer to the SOCO/ CSI teams to bring a Cadaver dog in anyways. Especially in these sorts of missing cases. Very often its been family members involved. Would hasten the search up no end.
 
  • #631
Wait....who is LO?
 
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Ahh.. Thank you Gigi.
 
  • #634
A cadaver dog would have gone berserk in their house. if police suspected them they should have turned up with one on 24th.

I honestly think dogs should be compulsory in searches of POI homes. In this case NM/SH should have been POI's automatically, being the last ones to see/hear her. Cadavers wouldn't have picked up a scent in Becky's house as I'm sure there is a period of time (an hour or two?) before the scent of death kicks in. But his car boot being sniffed over would have had him arrested immediately and Becky would have been found. Not that it would have made any difference to the outcome.
 
  • #635
I'm still confused about when this first visit when the blue box was still there actually happened. And why would it have just been the blue box and not the other parts? all body parts went to the shed on the same night.

Even if they'd let a dog sniff through an open letter box they would have got their answer.

I'd imagine a quick sniff of the drains would have sufficed. Even a human nose could pick up al that bleach!

I think the police probably suspected Becky had run away, from face evidence and from chatting to the family on the Friday. It's easy to criticise knowing what we know now. But yeah, if only they'd used dogs. Resources I guess. In an ideal world...
 
  • #636
The fact is that happily, the vast majority of young people who go missing have not been murdered.
 
  • #637
God, I wish they had taken dogs in there.


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Do we know for a fact that they didn't? Reason I ask this is because I recall seeing photos in the early going and I swear I saw LE with dogs and I even recall someone comment that they might be cadaver dogs. Maybe my mind is playing games with me but I am quite certain that they used dogs in one of the houses at one time. Anyone recall this or know where those pictures are?
 
  • #638
There seems to be something about NM and Becky's money. He stole her cheque (even though he couldn't cash it, he didn't want her to have it), he refused to pay her the £100 that he owed her. He thought his mother might be about to buy her a new tv, which angered him.

He somehow thought that what she had, should be his. He had absolutely no respect for Becky as a person, and she knew it. He treated her both before and after death with utter contempt.

As an older step-brother, he could have taken on the role as big brother/protector, as he had known her since she was a child, but for whatever reason, he chose to do the opposite, and torment her.

He wanted complete control over her, and in the end, he got it.

I think this situation was the culmination or merging of several factors.

I am not educated in psychology so this is my own layman's perspective, probably influenced largely by how I see the world, and therefore capable of being quite incorrect.

I think the pair of them felt great injustice and bitterness about having no stability and control over their early lives. What they had lost as children, in terms of mothering, created this huge fear of further loss, and lack of self-worth. In NM's case this is characterized by his hoarding, filling up his life with material possessions. In SH's case, by her pairing up with such a horrible, loathsome, slimy, disrespectful partner. She needed someone, anyone. He could not operate in a relationship with anyone discerning. A match was made.

I honestly do not know if rape fantasies and rapes are the result of anger and hatred towards women, (mothers?) or an important part of the perpetrator's humanity and compassion just being absent. Both of them, judging by their behaviour after Becky's death, strike me as having psychopathic and sociopathic traits.

I think in relation to Becky, both NM and SH felt extreme jealousy and this would be true whatever happened, barring a rejection by her parents, as had been the case for them. Only that would make them feel equal. Seeing Becky rejected and suffering. Becky receiving love, money, material possessions, gifts etc would make them seethe.

As for the incident, IMO it was a culmination of this hatred and desire to hurt/harm Becky, together with the opportunity to enact their sexual fantasies - controlling and taking from a woman, using her, treating her like a piece of meat. Becky fit the bill, she was their perfect target. It turned NM on, possibly SH (I don't know enough about her sexuality) but if not then she would do this to keep her "love", it satisfied their depraved sense of taking what they were owed and were never given by women in their lives.

The only thing I am glad about is that they were caught before doing this again to anyone else, and that Becky did not give them what they wanted, she gave them a big fight and she got them caught and exposed them.

That is why the motive given makes NO sense, it is utter rubbish, and that is why they will never ever admit to what drove them to do it. They are forever shamed by the fact they were not loved enough by their mothers. It fuelled their hatred and their sick existences.
 
  • #639
Its not relevant to Beckys murder but on the few occasions I have looked at her FB profile, I have always felt so saddened by the last comment she made on her profile photo> .... To be continued
17 January at 20:57


 
  • #640
Do we know for a fact that they didn't? Reason I ask this is because I recall seeing photos in the early going and I swear I saw LE with dogs and I even recall someone comment that they might be cadaver dogs. Maybe my mind is playing games with me but I am quite certain that they used dogs in one of the houses at one time. Anyone recall this or know where those pictures are?

I saw pictures of them being taken into Crown Hill (DG/AG's house) but not NM/SH's.
 
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