GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #4

[Wallace]

If I have my facts right, the death penalty was abolished in Great Britain in 1965. For those of you who live in England, and even more so in Bristol, does a case like this change your position on the death penalty at all?

Personally no but if you read the comments on various FB posts there are a lot of people in the Bristol area who are demanding it. Not that those demands will get them anywhere.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I really don't.

I think the motive was sexual and/or possibly jealousy.

Yes, sexual abuse would fall under the umbrella of my speculation that she was going to "tell", and was silenced. Strongest possibility, actually.

 

[laurauk1]

I've been thinking from this perspective as well. In addition to this, people behave very strangely when in shock. Finding out your partner and the father of your child has killed their step-sister is going to put you into a deep state of shock and disbelief. I doubt many people would think clearly under that level of stress, autopilot takes over and people are driven by self-preservation or are easily coerced. By the time the enormity of the situation has processed enough for you to understand you need to contact the police you can't. You've already helped a murderer and lied for them. Now you're in the thick of it, part of the crime and there is no way out unless you keep up lies.

I'm not suggesting this happened in this situation (I don't think we know nearly enough to feel one way or another yet), but I can see how people end up doing crazy things for their loved ones in the aftermath of crimes.

I also think that if you love your partner then you would have a lot of very confused emotions at this time. Even though he's telling you he did it you might not really believe it, you might be trying to justify it to yourself as to how on earth can the person you love have done this horrific thing.

I'm not saying that I necessarily think that's the case here. I don't know what I think. But I just imagine that if he committed the murder and SH found out at a later date then there must be so many mixed and confused emotions going round in your head!

 

[pinklilies]

Oh gosh, that video breaks my heart. Was so sweet. And it seemed like they both got on so well

Kem922: Doesn't it. I'm digressing really but with DG being several years older than JG, I could imagine DG's always looked out for him as he's always been his little brother and JG always proudly looked up to DG, being his much older brother. Bet JG never imagined for the life of him, that one day he'd have to be the strong one supporting his older brother, especially under such horrendous circumstances. Him kissing his head, just tore at my heart strings.

 

[ChuckieD]

I've been thinking from this perspective as well. In addition to this, people behave very strangely when in shock. Finding out your partner and the father of your child has killed their step-sister is going to put you into a deep state of shock and disbelief. I doubt many people would think clearly under that level of stress, autopilot takes over and people are driven by self-preservation or are easily coerced. By the time the enormity of the situation has processed enough for you to understand you need to contact the police you can't. You've already helped a murderer and lied for them. Now you're in the thick of it, part of the crime and there is no way out unless you keep up lies.

I'm not suggesting this happened in this situation (I don't think we know nearly enough to feel one way or another yet), but I can see how people end up doing crazy things for their loved ones in the aftermath of crimes.

Then you hold your hands up and say 'I messed up' and face the consequences of your actions, you don't sit and watch a family in utter turmoil and go about your life knowing that your partner murdered and chopped up his little 16 year old step-sister. It's unforgivable, in my opinion. No matter how it's painted. If he is guilty and if she covered for him I hope she's hit with the full force of the law. It's abhorrent. That's just the way I feel about it. Luckily, we all have different opinions ;-)

 

[Hexenb]

Thats the thing I am struggling with the most the mutilation why?

 

[mrazda71]

I really don't.

I think the motive was sexual and/or possibly jealousy.

Why would NM be jealous of BW?

 

[ChuckieD]

Why would NM be jealous of BW?

I didn't mean NM being the jealous party. At the moment, I'm not convinced he acted alone.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Why would NM be jealous of BW?

If the male suspect was enamored with BW, then NM might be jealous

 

[LookingForClues]

Um, sorry, why on earth would he lie about his address?

I can't imagine any solicitor or barrister in his right mind allowing a client to lie about where they live.

Ummmm, exactly! I can't imagine any solicitor or barrister allowing him to lie either. But he told the court he lives in Warmley. I'm not the one who said he lives there, HE is the one who gave that address. So, why did he give that address? I'm not sure why you are directing your sarcasm at me. I'm just pointing out that we have been given two different addresses for him -- the one on Cotton Mill Lane with his girlfriend and child, and now the one in Warmley. Which is the right address? Folks here are saying he lives on Cotton Mill Lane but he's probably not supposed to because of government subsidies, so he gave his old address. But if that's his old address, and he doesn't currently live there, then he has lied to the court. Maybe Warmley is where he really lives, or maybe he has a family connection to the address. Either way, whether it's where he currently lives, or whether he has some family connection to the address, it goes back to my earlier post wondering why we haven't heard about a search of this Warmley residence.

If I'm the only one who thinks that's strange, so be it. I'll drop it now.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Thats the thing I am struggling with the most the mutilation why?

Because it is desecration, depravity, and evil in the purest form.
If you are one of Becky's friends or schoolmates, I hope that you kids are getting some grief counseling; the school should offer that. You need each other to hold on to, and heal.
It will take time, prayer, and lots and lots of love....but you will. Do not let evil win.

 

[Cherwell]

Thats the thing I am struggling with the most the mutilation why?

Easier to dispose of small pieces than a whole adult body.

 

[mrazda71]

Then you hold your hands up and say 'I messed up' and face the consequences of your actions, you don't sit and watch a family in utter turmoil and go about your life knowing that your partner murdered and chopped up his little 16 year old step-sister. It's unforgivable, in my opinion. No matter how it's painted. If he is guilty and if she covered for him I hope she's hit with the full force of the law. It's abhorrent. That's just the way I feel about it. Luckily, we all have different opinions ;-)

I'm no law expert so forgive me but, IF police believed that SH knew what NM had done and she'd helped in some way wouldn't she ad charged with a more serious offence than PTCJ?

 

[Cherwell]

Because it is desecration, depravity, and evil in the purest form.

It is far more likely to have been for practical reasons.

 

[mrazda71]

If the male suspect was enamored with BW, then NM might be jealous

NM IS the male suspect. If you mean SH then surely if she was jealous in any way and mastermind, took part in the murder then surely she'd be charged with murder too?

 

[musicaljoke]

If the male suspect was enamored with BW, then NM might be jealous

Except that she was his step sister and he was married, so romantic attachment seems not very likely.

 

[rosesfromangels]

NM IS the male suspect. If you mean SH then surely if she was jealous in any way and mastermind, took part in the murder then surely she'd be charged with murder too?

Yes, I goofed up on the initials. Thanks for sorting that out. Theoretically, yes, if she were the "puppet master", she should be charged. She may have been jealous and demanded he harm Becky. Alternatively, Becky might have been about to reveal things to her Dad etc., and was silenced. All speculation of course.

 

[Cherwell]

Except that she was his step sister and he was married, so romantic attachment seems not very likely.

They were not related at all by blood.

I don't think he is married; not that that stops people from being sexually attracted to someone else.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Except that she was his step sister and he was married, so romantic attachment seems not very likely.

Not romantic, sexual...would be my guess.

 

[LookingForClues]

Perhaps the press just didnt get wind of a search. I don't know the address in relation to Bristol. Is it a village? Perhaps less people around to notice a search and tip of the press in some way (e.g. By posting on social media)

The police wouldn't release the information to the public unless they thought it was beneficial to the investigation.

Or maybe they found some evidence in Warmley that they are keeping hush-hush so it doesn't make it into the press. I do think it's possible that they did a search that wasn't on the radar of the press, since the main search centered on those houses around Cotton Mill Lane. Someone who commits a brutal murder such as this, then spreads evidence throughout the neighborhood, might also dump some evidence at an "old address" which he may or may not have a family connection to.