GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #7

[Tortoise]

I may be wrong, but I didn't think that was one of the charges.

sexual assault and voyeurism not in relation to Becky is what I've read

 

[Clio]

He was also charged with sexual assault but not in relation to Becky

Avon and Somerset police said. Matthews has also been charged with sexual assault and voyeurism. The alleged sexual offences do not relate to Becky.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/22/becky-watts-shauna-hoare-charged-murder

 

[PrimeSuspect]

he is standing accused of sexually assaulting someone, yet to be proven I might add

Yes, that;s true.

Matthews has also been charged with sexual assault and voyeurism. These alleged offences do not relate to Becky.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-Stepbrother-Nathan-Matthews-s-girlfriend-

 

[Insp.Dots]

Hmmmmmmm, interesting morning in court.
Not sure SH's friend did the prosecution any favours really and re-enforced the possibility that SH was somehow under NM's spell.
I can believe that, she went to live with him at 14yrs old, in her eyes he saved her and was probably the only one who cared or understood her.
By the time she grew and realized he wasn't the prince she thought he would be it was too late.
I was in a 'controlled' relationship, to start with you just make excuses for their behavior and convince yourself, it's just there way. Non stop criticism and control has a way of wearing you down, you don't necessarily see 'a way out', You think you have to make the best of it. The old saying 'if someone outs you down enough'....you start to believe it and stay down. Not one of my family or friends knew how bad things were as 'I' didn't tell them. I was ashamed I couldn't cope with my marriage, I knuckled down and got on with it, we had kids that I didn't want to break up the family. He NEVER hurt the kids, he never really paid them the attention they deserved but he didn't physically harm them.
The point I am trying to make is that 'nothing' stopped me leaving or telling anyone, (at that time) I chose to stay. I WAS scared of him, of what he was capable of and I didn't want to do anything to en-flame him. In a way I played the martyr, while he was with me, he wasn't hurting anyone else. It is odd the things that go through your mind. And you truly don't see how wrong or damaged the relationship is until you are out of it.
It took years after I left him for me to open up fully to family and friends and I still hold many secrets of my time with him.
Sadly, 2 years after I left he was with someone else and she ended up dead. I'm not going to go into any detail but it's safe to say I had a very lucky escape.
NOT one person after the events could believe what he had done, the resounded phrase that came out was 'He seemed such a charming man'.
And THAT is why we stay with them, who would believe?
In SH's case I do see control, in her police interviews she showed 'control & in her head' she was standing by her man. IF she knew what he'd done he probably persuaded her that BW deserved it in someway. BW was a risk to her relationship perhaps in her eyes. She 'may' have thought she was too deeply involved to speak out. BUT...the one thing that I can't believe is that IF she is innocent of the murder and was forced into helping him why she hasn't by now broken down and told all.
That is the single factor that makes me think that she helped him of her own volition. I think perhaps her defense trying to show control now is possibly too little too late for the Jury. Time will tell i'm sure! All MOO and thoughts.

 

[ColourPurple]

AG left the key out for them to get in, NM and SH are claiming that is what they used to get into the house.

Just thinking his story about him wearing a mask so Becky wouldnt recognise him... if she was there she could have recognised the sound of the car or saw it pull onto the drive or worked out quickly that it was somebody with a key who had let themselves in! and if she wasn't there she'd have passed his car on the drive as she walked in!!

 

[Tortoise]

The witness has told the jury she hatched a plan with Hoare for her to leave Matthews.
Mr Langdon said Hoare showed the witness a bruise on her lower back, and the pair devised a plan to “lock the door whilst the boys were out”.
He said: “Did you devise a plan where by at an appropriate time, whilst at your house, whilst the boys were out, you could lock the door and keep them out, and that would be that?
“You discussed this with her? With Shauna?”
The witness answered: “Yes, but she was very reluctant.
“She was scared that he would kick off.
“She was interested but I think she was too scared to do it.”
The witness was also asked about watching a YouTube parody of the Frozen song ‘Do You Want To Build a Snowman?’ called ‘Do you want to hide a body?’ with Hoare.
The court previously heard that in a YouTube search attributed to Hoare, a device was used to look up ‘doyouwant to hide a body’ at 9pm the day after Becky went missing.
Today the jury were told by the witness that the pair had watched the Frozen parody together before.
Asked when, she said it was a year or two before Hoare and Matthews were arrested, and added: “I can’t remember if I showed her, or she showed me.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-live-6658935

(Langdon is SH's barrister)

sorry I don't know how to put the text into quotes

 

[Tortoise]

does a power saw like the one used need to be held with two hands?

 

[Clio]

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sorry I don't know how to put the text into quotes

There's an icon that looks like a speech bubble. Select the text then click that.

 

[Hexenb]

Yes agree the diy masks only cover mouth and nose they would not disguise who he was!

 

[epiphany]

ITV Becky Trial &#8207;@ITVBeckyTrial 8m8 minutes ago

Blood stains were found on the door frames of the master bedroom, Becky's bedroom and the spare bedroom #beckywatts


ITV Becky Trial &#8207;@ITVBeckyTrial 11m11 minutes ago


The forensic scientist was called to #beckywatts' family home to examine blood staining on door frames found upstairs.


ITV Becky Trial &#8207;@ITVBeckyTrial 15m15 minutes ago

Court has resumed after lunch. We're now hearing from a forensic scientist. #beckywatts


https://twitter.com/ITVBeckyTrial

 

[Alyce]

Sounds like whatever happened continued outside of Becky's bedroom, going by the bloodstains

 

[YidArmyRach]

If NM was as controlling as is being made out - then why is he not seeking to carry on that control, by implicating SH and ensuring she ends up in prison for a long time? By exonerating her, he is effectively letting her live a completely free life, to go out with who she wants, see who she wants and so on, whilst he is in prison for the next 30 or more years? Would someone who has spent the previous 8 or so years totally controlling someone, suddenly let go of all that control?

I don't like the way this is going, as they seem to be portraying SH as the victim in all of this. SH showed in her interviews that she hated Becky as much as NM did. Her involvement was far more personal than just being too scared to say no in my opinion.

 

[Clio]

ITV Becky Trial &#8207;@ITVBeckyTrial · 2 mins2 minutes ago
CSI found both direct contact blood stains - some with finger print or prints within them - and also airborne blood #beckywatts

 

[CoverMeCagney]

ITV Becky Trial &#8207;@ITVBeckyTrial 8m8 minutes ago

Blood stains were found on the door frames of the master bedroom, Becky's bedroom and the spare bedroom #beckywatts

He's not very clever is he, bless....

 

[Hexenb]

If she was helping in the dismemberment (I don't want to go into detail, leave that to your imagination) I think it could have been done without damaging the bath.

As awful as it seems my friend and I were having a go with myself lying down in the bath my bathroom being roughly the same size I won't say how we maneuvered will leave that to the imagination with one person only that bath would have damage I am sure with 2 people much easier jmo

 

[Callista]

Is there a chance he might have carried Becky into one of the other bedrooms for whatever reason and she didn't actually die in her bedroom as originally thought? I see no other reason for there to be blood on the door frames of the other bedrooms. Also can someone explain to me the significance of the finding of airbourne blood? Do that mean splatter / spray or something else?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

As awful as it seems my friend and I were having a go with myself lying down in the bath my bathroom being roughly the same size I won't say how we maneuvered will leave that to the imagination with one person only that bath would have damage I am sure with 2 people much easier jmo

Did you remember to move your cooker and microwave into the bathroom first? If not, experiment invalid.

 

[Clio]

She said they found a hand print on Becky&#8217;s doorframe, as well as &#8220;ridge details&#8221; - or finger marks - in blood on the spare room and master bedroom door frames.
&#8216;Directional&#8217; blood marks - caused by airborne blood perhaps &#8220;generated from impact&#8221; - were also found on the spare room door and frame.
Swabs of the stains were a &#8220;one in one billion match&#8221; to a DNA sample taken from Becky&#8217;s toothbrush, Ms Morse said.

From UK & Eire Database

 

[Hexenb]

Unfortunately they are in the kitchen I just laid the linen basket down and toilet roll cupboard in front that's the best I could do :shame:

 

[epiphany]

ITV Becky Trial &#8207;@ITVBeckyTrial 7m7 minutes ago

Three DNA profiles were found on some parts of the mask but nothing to suggest SH contributed, witness tells court #beckywatts


ITV Becky Trial &#8207;@ITVBeckyTrial 8m8 minutes ago

The nose strip of one of the masks matched NM, with a one in one billion chance, court hears #beckywatts


ITV Becky Trial &#8207;@ITVBeckyTrial 10m10 minutes ago

Jury being shown the white dust mark with 'apparent makeup staining' #beckywatts


ITV Becky Trial &#8207;@ITVBeckyTrial 16m16 minutes ago

court now hearing about items found in the shed, including a pair of safety goggles #beckywatts


https://twitter.com/ITVBeckyTrial