GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #7

[epiphany]

if it happened off the property then NM would have had the difficulty of transporting the body parts back to the house for further transportation with the van to the shed. I think it must have happened at the house but this sure is confusing.

Have we heard testimony yet that the others admit to picking up 5 suitcases from NM & SH's home to transport to shed? IF dismemberment had been at another location, surely the pickup would have been from another site.

 

[ColourPurple]

Have we heard testimony yet that the others admit to picking up 5 suitcases from NM & SH's home to transport to shed? IF dismemberment had been at another location, surely the pickup would have been from another site.

The pick up would look more suspicious to the "helpers"if it wasn't from his home though.

 

[epiphany]

The packaging of the body parts was very meticulous, almost obsessively carried out (excessive wrapping, salt, cat litter, etc...)

No reason to believe would not be as meticulous, as thorough, with covering surfaces, use of bleach and heavy duty cleaning. Had plenty of time & more than one person involved in cleanup

 

[YidArmyRach]

I think that since the bathtub was un-damaged and there was no blood found in bathroom which when using a power tool would be very difficult, makes me think that she was drained (sorry) etc in the bathtub and then transported to another room where they cut through her bones (really sorry) with a power tool.
I think her first place in their house was in the bathroom and they must have carried her in wrapped in the car boot liner, and that is why that was located there. Once they realized what a difficult job lay ahead of them, and they would need to use that bathroom especially for the child, then they transferred her.

From the photos of their house, I can't recall that had enough clutter-free space to have done that ........ however, if that is what happened, then I can't see how SH was unaware, as there is only their bedroom, child's bedroom, living room and kitchen left to use, and she can't have avoided any of those for a day at a time.

 

[epiphany]

Also, that Bathroom is the only "clean" part of their filthy home bc they cleaned it; in fact, they sanitized it

 

[ColourPurple]

With regards to the bathroom showing no sign of BW. I've just remembered what one of the neighbours said; That it sounded like furniture was being moved. I wonder if the dismembering took place in another room and theyve moved furniture to cover where it happened? The reason for then saying it happened in the bathroom could be that they thought it sounded more feasible that SH hadnt been in the bathroom than saying she hadn't been in the lounge or bedroom?

The next day she described hearing "lots of running up and down stairs, banging, scraping, doors slamming" at the home in Cotton Mill Lane, Bristol.She added: "It sounded like furniture being moved."

http://news.sky.com/story/1566053/becky-watts-neighbour-describes-unusual-noises

 

[Tortoise]

So far all the expert witnesses have been very clear and perfectly concise (although I would have liked to ask them a few questions myself!) - but is it just me that doesn't have the same confidence in this one?
None of what she has answered has been completely clear imo., this is extremely important evidence and facts she is giving for the jury.
The jury aren't experts just everyday people and it needs to be spelt out in words of one syllable for all of us non experts.
This evidence seems to raise more doubt than previously to me.
Does anyone else here understand what it all means with respect to the charges ?
Also these neck injuries - which precise neck injuries is she referring to?

Becky was stabbed in the neck with a screwdriver.

 

[Alyce]

Also garden is in full view of neighbours from what I can see, I doubt they would risk doing it there.

I was thinking of just outside back door /window to garden - but again, forensics would have checked all this area

 

[YidArmyRach]

Injuries to Becky's mouth and nose area are consistent with hand over mouth/nose suffocation according to forensic pathologist's testimony

Could someone with a dodgy shoulder and fibro be capable of doing that on their own?

 

[Alyce]

With regards to the bathroom showing no sign of BW. I've just remembered what one of the neighbours said; That it sounded like furniture was being moved. I wonder if the dismembering took place in another room and theyve moved furniture to cover where it happened? The reason for then saying it happened in the bathroom could be that they thought it sounded more feasible that SH hadnt been in the bathroom than saying she hadn't been in the lounge or bedroom?

http://news.sky.com/story/1566053/becky-watts-neighbour-describes-unusual-noises

Yes, could have used space that they created in another room - although there doesnt seem to be any evidence of whatever they laid the body onto if that is the case. Surely they didnt just lie it on the carpeted or wooden floor ? I would have expected they would use some kind of lining, cover ?

But does sound like a feasible solution and - with that in mind - I wonder how closely every floor space and every item in every room was checked in that house.

However - not that I have any expertise in this matter - but I would have thought that a body lying flat on a wooden surface or carpet would be easier for one person to dismember ? So again, if NM is taking all the blame, why would he say the bathroom was used, when this scenario makes it more likely that he would have needed help ?

 

[epiphany]

Could someone with a dodgy shoulder and fibro be capable of doing that on their own?

Complained of back & arm pain to police as well!

 

[epiphany]

Easier to use Bleach in bathroom than in another room such as bedroom, LR

 

[Clio]

<rsbm>I wonder how closely every floor space and every item in every room was checked in that house.

I'm pretty sure they went over the whole house thoroughly to the extent that the jury had to wear protective clothing when they visited the other day!

 

[epiphany]

Yes, could have used space that they created in another room - although there doesnt seem to be any evidence of whatever they laid the body onto if that is the case. Surely they didnt just lie it on the carpeted or wooden floor ? I would have expected they would use some kind of lining, cover ?

But does sound like a feasible solution and - with that in mind - I wonder how closely every floor space and every item in every room was checked in that house.

I believe I read that the furnishings, bags, boxes, etc had to be removed from their home. Then whatever was not needed for evidence, testing, was later returned to the home

 

[jessie]

Also, that Bathroom is the only "clean" part of their filthy home bc they cleaned it; in fact, they sanitized it

I go with that.

Bin bags taped to walls and surfaces covered?. The news that tiles were removed and still no evidence of dna/blood spatter threw me for a bit,

but they had the time to cover it all and as you say sanitize it. Window open and towel rolled up at the bottom of the door when police arrived

too. They just took precautions against any mess and smell left in what they were doing I think..

 

[Alyce]

I go with that.

Bin bags taped to walls and surfaces covered?. The news that tiles were removed and still no evidence of dna/blood spatter threw me for a bit,

but they had the time to cover it all and as you say sanitize it. Window open and towel rolled up at the bottom of the door when police arrived

too. They just took precautions against any mess and smell left in what they were doing I think..

Yes, and could have laid body on bathroom floor to do the dismemberment, rather than in the bath. Put Oven, Microwave, and all other assorted items back in later !

 

[ColourPurple]

From the photos of their house, I can't recall that had enough clutter-free space to have done that ........ however, if that is what happened, then I can't see how SH was unaware, as there is only their bedroom, child's bedroom, living room and kitchen left to use, and she can't have avoided any of those for a day at a time.

Which would be a good reason to say it happened in the bathroom... but then I agree with those saying with the towel rolled up at the bottom of the door and how clean the bathroom was compared to everywhere else, that it does look like something probably happened there that they felt they had to clean up. So confusing!

 

[skibaboo]

Maybe the bath was clean because THEY bathed in it after, to clean up, then sanitized it?

I cannot see how they would have found zero trace of blood in the bath, or pipes if they had dismembered her in it, no matter how hard they tried to clean it something would have been found.

 

[epiphany]

Look how fanatic and obsessive he/they were about wrapping her remains. So too, with bathroom cleanup imo:

<snip>

She said: &#8220;There were eight parts that had been individually wrapped in cling film, thick blue plastic bags and for some of the body parts other items, including three different types of tape, Asda carrier bags and other items, and for the torso two bathroom mats and a shower curtain.

<snip>


Dr Cook said: &#8220;Wrapping the body up so tightly in multiple layers of plastic and cling film had the effect of preserving the body.&#8221;

She said some of the body parts had been packed with table salt.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-suffered-40-injuries-6635610

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Without being too graphic, does anyone know how much mess this would make? How much blood would still be liquid after being dead for, what, 36 hours? Short of asking my friend, a butcher (who knows nothing of my crime interest and would defo think I was weird) I don't know what the process is from death to dismemberment.