GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #7

[flutterby]

What a confusing day

Agreed and scenes from Dexter spring to mind.

I was going to suggest Dexter, wonder if they ever watched it? Over the course of the series he shows several people how build a 'kill room' (basically, a plastic cave) and get rid of DNA evidence. He also gets rid of bodies by chopping them up, and meticulously wrapping them in plastic. (Sorry! No nice way to write it )

However, if that's the case, why leave all the blood and DNA at Becky's home? Surely they had time to clean up before AG got home?

 

[jessie]

Not impossible - with assistance - to avoid cutting thru the bin liners that were underneath the body on the floor. Sadly....

I notice that the power saw he bought has a laser guideline for accuracy, and also a dust extractor.

I'm thinking it wouldn't spew "stuff" everywhere, these modern tools don't. and if a bag was fitted to the dust extractor

that would collect the mess.

There is no easy way to say these things.

 

[Alyce]

What a confusing day




I was going to suggest Dexter, wonder if they ever watched it? Over the course of the series he shows several people how build a 'kill room' (basically, a plastic cave) and get rid of DNA evidence. He also gets rid of bodies by chopping them up, and meticulously wrapping them in plastic. (Sorry! No nice way to write it )

However, if that's the case, why leave all the blood and DNA at Becky's home? Surely they had time to clean up before AG got home?

I am guessing that they thought they had cleaned up and the blood in Becky's home was not visible to naked eye but picked up by forensics.
Also, they had far more time in their own home to tidy up

 

[Insp.Dots]

RSBM

"Ms Morse said using a circular saw would cause blood to be "flung" from it, making it hard to avoid leaving a trace in the bathroom."

Unless they were in a plastic cave. Something larger than a shower curtain. Hmmmm

Crazy thinking I know but one of those "pop up"tents would have been perfect!

 

[Insp.Dots]

BIB He hasn't pleaded guilty to murder. He admits killing her but says it was not intentional i.e. he is guilty of manslaughter however the prosecution still need to prove he is guilty of murder.

Sorry yes I meant more in terms of 'who killed her'. I would think they have enough for the Jury to believe Murder now by NM at least it's SH that they need more for IMO

 

[Meraxes]

Was catching up on the trial on that UK & Eire facebook page and I had to stop reading. I usually have a strong constitution but the details of this case are truly horrifying. Time to go outside and play with my boy in the sunshine and chase some dragonflies or something...

 

[Hexenb]

I'm the same. A witness saying that NM was controlling and that she'd tried to help SH leave him ... but she had a number of threesomes with the pair of them. So, he can't have been that bad, or scary, if she chose to get that personal with him. She didn't claim she was forced into it, so she actively chose to do those things, and let him film her. If you mate's boyfriend was that controlling, would you really let him film you, when he could control you with that video?

Very good point

 

[Hexenb]

Highly unlikely

 

[Hexenb]

Wasn't there a shower curtain found with Becky that probably would be useful

 

[Hexenb]

I would have thought a lot of the blood was congealed by that time so maybe not so much splatter sorry don't like being to graphic

 

[kodi]

Finally caught up and using a tent came to mind, like some of you, as far as easy clean up. It also crossed my mind that perhaps they used a container, like a kiddie pool or something inside the tent? Good golly, I hate to type that.

And I thought there was no sure way to remove all traces of blood? Does anyone know if there's truth to that?

 

[YidArmyRach]

Wasn't there a shower curtain found with Becky that probably would be useful

I'm thinking of all those random clothes (the ones on clothes hangers found with everything else) - could they have filled the bath with a pile of clothes, bathroom mats and so on, to give some protection against the saw hitting the sides of the bath, and would help to soak up the blood and possibly muffle the sound a bit?

 

[Tortoise]

I think that even draining the blood there must have been traces left behind. It's almost like Becky was never in the bath. I think it's impossible for there not to be a trace of her. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm confused.

they bought quite a few bottles of powerful drain cleaner - those chemicals could have dissolved any traces

 

[Tortoise]

I think a shower curtain was listed as one of the items found in the shed

two shower curtains were listed iirc

 

[Tortoise]

so now their purchases of multiple rolls of tough rubble sacks and rolls of tape is beginning to make more sense. I had wondered why they needed so many large sacks when they weren't used in the wrapping of the body parts or at least that many, there were only 8 body parts. Must have been used to cover the bathroom walls and create spatter screens. That with the shower curtains which were disposed of. They probably lined the bath with towels, bath mats and not sure if they said a duvet was also found? That would prevent the scratching of the bath. No way SH could have lived in that house without knowing anything.

So I don't know why she pleads not guilty to at least some of the charges like preventing burial. Nothing yet to suggest she was a party to the killing. I don't think we've seen anything forensic that places SH upstairs.

 

[sar2them1984]

Wow what a day. The CPS would only allows charges to be bought forward if they thought they had a high probability of them being found guilty..which implies there is sufficient evidence to back up those charges but at the moment I'm not sure what that is. Surely if the prosecution had some compelling evidence they would have used it by now rather than this wishy washy, easily explainable stuff they're bringing forward.

In fact it's the evidence the prosecution is bringing forward that is making me doubt SHs part in the crime. After all I can't see anything which categorically confirms that Becky was dismembered in the bathroom..it's all well and good talking of tents and coverings but it's all a bit...far fetched.. these are people who piled all their instruments, body parts and everything they used in one place ready to be found, I honestly don't think they would go so far as to tape up rooms/empty rooms etc just my opinion but no traces of Beckys blood in the bathroom and drains says to me she wasn't in that bathroom

Similarly the key piece of evidence which links SH to the dismemberment - the Dna on the mask - has transpired to be a tiny minute trace which again is so small it could be explainable.

I don't know - today just didn't seem to go for me the way I thought it would

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[Crazy Mama]

From the photo of the bath, it appears to have plenty of nicks along the edge, so now I think that they might have done the deed in the bath tub. I don't feel very confident that the CPS have got this one tight.
I think that she was under his spell, completely. She might be evil, but he is in charge.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

From the photo of the bath, it appears to have plenty of nicks along the edge, so now I think that they might have done the deed in the bath tub. I don't feel very confident that the CPS have got this one tight.
I think that she was under his spell, completely. She might be evil, but he is in charge.

Have you got the photo to hand please Crazy?

I'm still feeling confused and unsettled!

 

[leep]

This evidence is worrying, the thought of SH getting off with a light sentence is just crazy. I can't even begin to believe she never knew something but the lack of SHs DNA will surely hinder the jury's decision on SHs input.

Ahhhhhh. I want to scream.

I can't forget the bloodied dust masks having SH's DNA and make-up on them, IMO she participated fully.
Also SH must of held up BW body parts for NM to stop the saw hitting the bath/floor/plastic coverings. sorry, it just beggars belief what went on in that bathroom.

 

[Cherwell]

I don't think there would have been a great deal of blood. You have to remember that when the dismembering took place, the blood had long ceased to circulate. So the blood would have pooled in the lowest parts of the body and depending on the position in which it was lying, there may have been little or no blood in the cut sites.