GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #8

[k4kitty]

Oh man (not saying you're a man..), what on earth made you do that?! I seem to know lots of families emigrating down under at the moment and having been there I understand why, not so much the other way round lol! I hate winter, so excuse me if I'm a bit grumpy for the next 6 months!

Haha, yes I hate winter also. (we're escaping to Oz for all of Feb). Husband is English and champing at the bit to make the permanent move...

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Haha, yes I hate winter also. (we're escaping to Oz for all of Feb). Husband is English and champing at the bit to make the permanent move...

Just do it, think of all that sunshine and outdoor time! I think the only thing I'd miss (aside from friends and family) is being able to hop on a plane and visit another country for a weekend, I do love a European city break, going to Krakow next month - £42 return flights!

 

[k4kitty]

Oh we will do - the whole visa thing is stupidly expensive though!

Apologies for the derail!

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Oh we will do - the whole visa thing is stupidly expensive though!

Apologies for the derail!

Yep, apologies all.

So... what have we got coming up next week, which aspects in particular are you all waiting to hear? I want to see both NM and SH questioned rigorously, I wish we were allowed to submit a questionnaire! I still think, based on what I said last night, that it was a kidnapping gone horribly wrong, it's as much to do with what he did afterwards that makes me believe he's a danger to society and need locking up for a looooong time.

 

[YidArmyRach]

Not sure if it's changed by when I was pregnant whilst living I'm Bristol the midwife never visited my home until after the child was born. Prior to that my appointments were always at the doctors surgery

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I always had the final couple of midwife visits done at home. And as my babies were overdue, they ended up coming out a few times - the day before I was induced too, to do a final examination at my home, rather than make me go to my local doctors or hospital. I've lived in two different areas when pregnant and both places had this practice. But yes, it could be different in different parts of the UK.

 

[YidArmyRach]

I think this is similar to how it's mostly women who read crime novels. Apparently we have an inherent wish to see justice done.

I'd put it down to women being nosier!! And, yes I'm also a female

 

[mrazda71]

Becky had received help for her anxiety and anorexia. I had read she did have trouble earlier about leaving the house, but this is the description I could find.

The 16-year-old went missing from the Crown Hill area of Bristol on Thursday last week and her dad says it is completely out of character for their "shy" and "introvert" daughter.

The fashion conscious teenager had not taken any clothes and make up, and had left her phone charger and purse at home.

Her family made a tearful appeal to ITV News.

Speaking from his home in St George, Bristol, her father Darren Galsworthy, 51, said: "Becky is introverted. She does not mix with big groups of people.

"She would not go and ask for anything or go to a till on her own - she was that kind of girl.

"This is why her disappearing is so out of character for her. I am trying to remain positive, but really starting to fear for the worse.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/missing-rebecca-watts-dad-fears-5222741


Also, I understand hoarding is not a lifestyle choice, but this was SH's home and she's not the hoarder. I'm sorry if you're taking offence to all my posts.

Not taking offence at all

I think that as someone else mentioned, it's easy to vilify the accused (who at this stage in Shauna's case at least, is innocent until proven guilty) and put the victim on a pedestal of virtue. I also think that at the time she went missing her family may have exaggerated to get the point across to the public that they believed she was not missing of her own accord.... if that makes sense?

 

[k4kitty]

I have twins, and I didn't have any home midwife visits until the week before they were born...

 

[mrazda71]

Not taking offence at all

I think that as someone else mentioned, it's easy to vilify the accused (who at this stage in Shauna's case at least, is innocent until proven guilty) and put the victim on a pedestal of virtue. I also think that at the time she went missing her family may have exaggerated to get the point across to the public that they believed she was not missing of her own accord.... if that makes sense?

ETA - yes, although legally it was Shauna's home on paper, it WAS their home and it is possible to separate your feelings for the person and their illness.

Not a hoarder myself (unless you'd count anything that can be bought at hobbycraft ) but I have vast experience working with people who have OCD and other mental health issue.

 

[Cherwell]

I also think that at the time she went missing her family may have exaggerated to get the point across to the public that they believed she was not missing of her own accord.... if that makes sense?

It does to me, yes. I thought at the time that the description of her being such a timid little mouse that she couldn't face paying for something in a shop didn't really gel with the larger picture that was emerging. She may have been that shy at an earlier age, but I got the impression that she'd grown out of it.

 

[ColourPurple]

Originally Posted by mrazda71
I also think that at the time she went missing her family may have exaggerated to get the point across to the public that they believed she was not missing of her own accord.... if that makes sense?

It does to me, yes. I thought at the time that the description of her being such a timid little mouse that she couldn't face paying for something in a shop didn't really gel with the larger picture that was emerging. She may have been that shy at an earlier age, but I got the impression that she'd grown out of it.

It wasn't just family though, her best friend also said Becky couldn't buy things in shops or ask the bus driver for a ticket so she would do that for her. So yes I believe that although Becky was doing alot of the normal teenage things like having a boyfriend and having sleepovers with her best friend, she was also struggling with extreme shyness that meant she couldn't do little things we take for granted, small social interactions with strangers like paying at a checkout or buying a bus ticket. So yes if somebody had difficulty doing things like that and usually relied on the support of a friend to do them, it would be harder to believe they had ran away and were fending for themselves somewhere.

 

[Bathsheba]

Thanks, Clio. I'd forgotten that bit. Not exactly a reason to be there for 8 hours though!

I've just had a brainwave (it's probably been discussed ages ago and I've forgotten!). Becky was a school girl and it was the half term holidays...... so I'm swaying towards kidnapping gone wrong, and that NM and SH planned it together. "We'll just say we heard her go out, and we'll take grandmas cake tin back so we have a reason to be seen there". They'd talked about it, they clearly discussed hating Becky, I think they saw the one opportunity when Becky would be home alone - half term, no school, AG out, possibly a rare occurrence. They knew she was home alone and the coast was clear. If it's true he had a bag, handcuffs and a stun gun in his car that points to kidnapping rather than murder. He's tried to keep her quiet, and she's died, to what extent that was intentional I don't know but I'm not sure it was premeditated murder. I reckon he then told SH immediately that it had gone wrong, and therefore the rest of it was planned and carried out together, or at least with SH's full knowledge. They had several days to tighten up their story so he takes all the blame and she gets to keep the kids.

This is exactly how I'm thinking. I don't see SH as innocent at all. There are too many holes in her stories.

 

[skibaboo]

Something feels off after seeing the videos of NM's interview yesterday. I know some of you have expressed how you felt pity for him, I do not. Sorry But how does one go from DISMEMBERING your 16 year old step sister to a sniveling, babbling, cowering 'man-child'? (no offense to 'man- children', I'm married to one and would consider myself a 'woman -child')

It seems NM was methodical in the dismemberment, and the packaging and cleaning up, not to mention how cold you have to be to actually do the deed.

Was it Neanderthal Nathan who killed and disposed of Becky? And Metro-Sexual Nathan being interviewed by police? Or ? Shauna may just be the puppet master here.

This trial is so baffling!

 

[Bathsheba]

I think Becky's mother deserves a mention too.

Yes, there has been very little mention of Tanya Watts, mother of Becky. As far as I know, there have been no photos of her in the media either. I must admit I feel so sad for her and Becky's brother Dan in particular.

 

[ColourPurple]

Morning all, hope everyone is ok, it's Friiiiiiday yay!! Am I right in thinking there is no court session today?

fftopic: Also, I came across a poll thread on here last night and was surprised to see the overwhelming majority of Websleuths members are female (92% of 1000 polled), and aged over 40. Also, around 80% are American / Canadian which is kinda OBVIOUS! I'm guessing most of us following Becky's case are British, but does anyone want to admit to being *whispers* a man?

Yup, I fit the profile except I'm British. I'm probably an exception to the rule in that I don't read crime novels or watch crime programmes and don't like anything gory. I tend to get drawn to specific cases on a human level and then want to follow them to see a conclusion and discuss them with others to try to make sense of them. The first crime that drew me in was the Ipswich murders where women in Ipswich, who worked as prostitutes were being murdered and there seemed to be nothing anybody could do to stop it. Not long after that Madeleine Mccann went missing and although I joined in the discussions about that online, in the end it became such a horrible battleground that I stopped contributing. So although I've followed a couple of other cases since, this is the first time I've got involved in a discussion forum about a case since Madeleine .

 

[ColourPurple]

Something feels off after seeing the videos of NM's interview yesterday. I know some of you have expressed how you felt pity for him, I do not. Sorry But how does one go from DISMEMBERING your 16 year old step sister to a sniveling, babbling, cowering 'man-child'? (no offense to 'man- children', I'm married to one and would consider myself a 'woman -child')

It seems NM was methodical in the dismemberment, and the packaging and cleaning up, not to mention how cold you have to be to actually do the deed.

Was it Neanderthal Nathan who killed and disposed of Becky? And Metro-Sexual Nathan being interviewed by police? Or ? Shauna may just be the puppet master here.

This trial is so baffling!

See, I'm not convinced that he did "do the deed". SH seems the more controlled and level headed of the two, though I haven't yet seen video footage of her interviews once she was being questioned in connection with kidnap/murder to see if her demeanour was different in those. I suppose you could argue that NM comes across as more distressed because he was the one who killed somebody and dismembered them, but surely you'd be distressed even being interviewed on suspicion of involvement, and later on hearing what your boyfriend had admitted to.

Also the part in the video where he doesn't want to hear them read out what he had written happened to Becky and also doesn't want them mentioning SH's name. I couldn't decide if he didnt want to hear it because he couldn't bear to acknowledge what he'd done... or whether he didn't want to hear it because it was actually SH who had done it and it would make him picture SH doing it in his head.

 

[Edinlass]

See, I'm not convinced that he did "do the deed". SH seems the more controlled and level headed of the two, though I haven't yet seen video footage of her interviews once she was being questioned in connection with kidnap/murder to see if her demeanour was different in those. I suppose you could argue that NM comes across as more distressed because he was the one who killed somebody and dismembered them, but surely you'd be distressed even being interviewed on suspicion of involvement, and later on hearing what your boyfriend had admitted to.

Also the part in the video where he doesn't want to hear them read out what he had written happened to Becky and also doesn't want them mentioning SH's name. I couldn't decide if he didnt want to hear it because he couldn't bear to acknowledge what he'd done... or whether he didn't want to hear it because it was actually SH who had done it and it would make him picture SH doing it in his head.

I echo your thoughts. I can't decide what reason he had for not wanting SH name read out. I also don't think the interview of him was in any way staged unlike SH who was speaking as if it was well re-hearsed in her head rather than from memory, it's really hard to watch it but again this is after the fact and SH's was before she was charged with murder, so they would be totally different reactions. I would like to see SH video after she was charged with murder, I think we would be discussing a different view of SH. JMO

 

[YidArmyRach]

It wasn't just family though, her best friend also said Becky couldn't buy things in shops or ask the bus driver for a ticket so she would do that for her. So yes I believe that although Becky was doing alot of the normal teenage things like having a boyfriend and having sleepovers with her best friend, she was also struggling with extreme shyness that meant she couldn't do little things we take for granted, small social interactions with strangers like paying at a checkout or buying a bus ticket. So yes if somebody had difficulty doing things like that and usually relied on the support of a friend to do them, it would be harder to believe they had ran away and were fending for themselves somewhere.

Plus she was re-doing her GCSEs at college, so obviously had had big problems at school to have either failed them, or not even got the lowest grades needed for a college course (which is usually just 4 GCSEs at grade D or above for a level one course).

Having worked in secondary schools with children that age, there are many reasons why a pupil would have to redo them - anything from a complete non interest in school and constantly disrupting lessons, to family problems, poor attendance, special educational needs and mental health issues. There are also those children who don't have support at home, or encouragement to study.

Whatever the reason, I think poor Becky had been having a rough time in the run up to her GCSEs to have failed them to the extent that it seems she had.

 

[ColourPurple]

I echo your thoughts. I can't decide what reason he had for not wanting SH name read out. I also don't think the interview of him was in any way staged, it's really hard to watch it but again this is after the fact and SH's was before she was charged with murder, so they would be totally different reactions. I would like to see SH video after she was charged with murder, I think we would be discussing a different view of SH. JMO

Yes for a fair comparison we'd need to see her videos too.

 

[skibaboo]

See, I'm not convinced that he did "do the deed". SH seems the more controlled and level headed of the two, though I haven't yet seen video footage of her interviews once she was being questioned in connection with kidnap/murder to see if her demeanour was different in those. I suppose you could argue that NM comes across as more distressed because he was the one who killed somebody and dismembered them, but surely you'd be distressed even being interviewed on suspicion of involvement, and later on hearing what your boyfriend had admitted to.

Also the part in the video where he doesn't want to hear them read out what he had written happened to Becky and also doesn't want them mentioning SH's name. I couldn't decide if he didnt want to hear it because he couldn't bear to acknowledge what he'd done... or whether he didn't want to hear it because it was actually SH who had done it and it would make him picture SH doing it in his head.

I'm not convinced either.

If the NM in that interview had disposed of Becky's body by dumping her in a field/wood/river, maybe so. But I'm so hung up on the dismemberment. It ain't gelling for me. Maybe NM is used to getting his way if he cowers and cries. I spent all night mulling over it last night. Is he the master manipulator or is it SH? I'm coming up with SH killed Becky. NM's plan was to kidnap her and teach her a lesson, in the act SH smothered her and threw a spanner into the works. NM took control and disposed of Becky by dismembering her, and since then it's been all about saving SH's butt. NM may even be scared of SH. Ugh idk but this is my thinking right now. Totally subject to change!!