GUILTY UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #4

[su5ie]

And this:

“Ammi my mum who is beautiful and young.

Dad my father who
earns money for us so
we can eat, sleep and have shelter.”

Sara Sharif begged parents’ forgiveness for ‘being rude’, court told

Her father Urfan Sharif, stepmother Beinash Batool and uncle Faisal Malik deny murdering the 10-year-old and causing or allowing her death

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They are like the lines I used to get in school as punishment.
I will be good and behave in class for my patient teacher or I will learn to behave and do my work and have respect for my teacher .

More like directions from an adult then coming from the mind of a 10 year old it shows the state of fear Sara was in . Where these read out by prosecution or defence?

 

[Dotta]

Mr Justice Cavanagh said
while murder and causing or allowing the death of a child were the charges on the indictment,

manslaughter could also be considered
if the jury was not certain
that murder had been proved.

For a conviction on a charge of manslaughter,
the jury must be sure
that the defendants intended to cause
“some physical harm”,
he added.

Sara Sharif: Girl, 10, begged parents’ forgiveness for ‘being rude' - BBC News

Sara Sharif’s father Urfan Sharif, stepmum Beinash Batool and uncle, Faisal Malik deny all charges.

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[Sooty]

Sara Sharif begged her parents before being 'battered to death'

10-year-old schoolgirl Sara Sharif penned heartbreaking letters in which she begged for forgiveness from her father, shortly before he beat her to death, a court has heard.

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'I am sorry for my answering back and what I said.

'I am sorry that I just sat.. not learning.

'Please forgive me, I am so, so sorry.'

 

[Dotta]

The courtroom was filled with tension as jurors were informed of the defendants' decision on November 18.

Mr. Justice Cavanagh, presiding over the case, indicated to the jury their right to draw conclusions from the fact the defendants chose not to testify.

Sara Sharif Trial Update Highlights Silence Of Stepmother And Uncle

The trial concerning the tragic death of 10-year-old Sara Sharif has revealed deeply distressing circumstances surrounding her alleged murder. Sara's stepmother,…

evrimagaci.org

 

[Dotta]

They are like the lines I used to get in school as punishment.
I will be good and behave in class for my patient teacher or I will learn to behave and do my work and have respect for my teacher .

More like directions from an adult then coming from the mind of a 10 year old it shows the state of fear Sara was in . Where these read out by prosecution or defence?

All this sounds
as if this abused child
was apologizing for being alive.

Giving shelter, food and care is the DUTY of parents towards children.

This case is so sick and perverted

Every new detail makes it even more horrific.

JMO

 

[Alyce]

Mr Justice Cavanagh said
while murder and causing or allowing the death of a child were the charges on the indictment,

manslaughter could also be considered
if the jury was not certain
that murder had been proved.

For a conviction on a charge of manslaughter,
the jury must be sure
that the defendants intended to cause
“some physical harm”,
he added.

Sara Sharif: Girl, 10, begged parents’ forgiveness for ‘being rude' - BBC News

Sara Sharif’s father Urfan Sharif, stepmum Beinash Batool and uncle, Faisal Malik deny all charges.

www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

In other trials that I have followed, a manslaughter option is usually offered to the Jury only after they have deliberated for several days….when, presumably, the Judge can see that they are struggling to bring in a straight murder conviction for one or more of the accused.

I find it worrying that this lesser charge is being allowed from day one. But that’s just my opinion of course.

 

[Skigh]

In other trials that I have followed, a manslaughter option is usually offered to the Jury only after they have deliberated for several days….when, presumably, the Judge can see that they are struggling to bring in a straight murder conviction for one or more of the accused.

I find it worrying that this lesser charge is being allowed from day one. But that’s just my opinion of course.

I am just hoping the judge is just covering all based and closing down any chance of any of the defendants having cause to appeal Urfan has already admitted he killed her ,but presumably claiming manslaughter rather than murder.

 

[Nikynoo]

In other trials that I have followed, a manslaughter option is usually offered to the Jury only after they have deliberated for several days….when, presumably, the Judge can see that they are struggling to bring in a straight murder conviction for one or more of the accused.

I find it worrying that this lesser charge is being allowed from day one. But that’s just my opinion of course.

I think maybe for B? I am certain that U will be found guilty of murder. I think all will be found guilty of causing or allowing the death of a child. (I don’t think these are alternative charges, they can be found guilty of both?).

 

[UK Girl]

I think maybe for B? I am certain that U will be found guilty of murder. I think all will be found guilty of causing or allowing the death of a child. (I don’t think these are alternative charges, they can be found guilty of both?).

The problem is I know what he said in court but different was said previously. What he said in court seemed to be about trying to get the other pair off but may not be the truth.

 

[Moll]

We still have a lot to hear in the next two days, but I cannot see how Beinash Batool can be much less guilty than Urfan Sharif. We've often commented on the similarities between this case and the murder of Logan Mwangi, from the crime itself to the joint attempts to escape the consequences. In the sentencing remarks after all three defendants were found guilty of murder, Mrs Justice Jefford addressed Angharad Williamson:

'46. Nonetheless, things had not changed so much that you would have physically attacked your own son. I certainly cannot be sure that you did and I sentence you on the basis that you did not physically assault Logan. That makes some difference but only a small difference to your position. The jury were sure that you encouraged or assisted in the assault on your son. I agree and I repeat that I am sure that this ferocious and fatal assault could not have taken place without your full knowledge and collusion. I also sentence you on the basis that your did not intend Logan to die but again the brutality of this assault on a small child means that that carries little weight.'

REGINA -vJohn Cole, Angharad Williamson and Craig Mulligan
Cardiff Crown Court 30th June 2022 Sentencing Remarks of Mrs Justice Jefford DBE

Williamson failed in her appeal.
Beinash Batool must have assaulted Sara, because of the bite marks, and she and/or Faisal must have had some part in her restraint. And we all draw an adverse inference from their failure to give evidence, so why wouldn't the jury?
My opinion only.

 

[UK Girl]

We still have a lot to hear in the next two days, but I cannot see how Beinash Batool can be much less guilty than Urfan Sharif. We've often commented on the similarities between this case and the murder of Logan Mwangi, from the crime itself to the joint attempts to escape the consequences. In the sentencing remarks after all three defendants were found guilty of murder, Mrs Justice Jefford addressed Angharad Williamson:

'46. Nonetheless, things had not changed so much that you would have physically attacked your own son. I certainly cannot be sure that you did and I sentence you on the basis that you did not physically assault Logan. That makes some difference but only a small difference to your position. The jury were sure that you encouraged or assisted in the assault on your son. I agree and I repeat that I am sure that this ferocious and fatal assault could not have taken place without your full knowledge and collusion. I also sentence you on the basis that your did not intend Logan to die but again the brutality of this assault on a small child means that that carries little weight.'

REGINA -vJohn Cole, Angharad Williamson and Craig Mulligan
Cardiff Crown Court 30th June 2022 Sentencing Remarks of Mrs Justice Jefford DBE

Williamson failed in her appeal.
Beinash Batool must have assaulted Sara, because of the bite marks, and she and/or Faisal must have had some part in her restraint. And we all draw an adverse inference from their failure to give evidence, so why wouldn't the jury?
My opinion only.

You also have the neighbours that heard her abusing Sara so its hard to see how she will get away with it.

 

[Alyce]

I think maybe for B? I am certain that U will be found guilty of murder. I think all will be found guilty of causing or allowing the death of a child. (I don’t think these are alternative charges, they can be found guilty of both?).

I would have thought that - if convicted of murder - then it is obvious that the accused caused the death of the child, so I did not expect the other charge to stand.

However you are correct - they can be found guilty of both charges.

Selection of charges​

Causing or allowing the death of a child or vulnerable adult should not be charged instead of murder or manslaughter, where there is sufficient evidence to prosecute murder or manslaughter. As above, the causing or allowing offence may be charged in addition to murder or manslaughter.

Homicide: Murder, manslaughter, infanticide and causing or allowing the death or serious injury of a child or vulnerable adult | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk

 

[Nikynoo]

I would have thought that - if convicted of murder - then it is obvious that the accused caused the death of the child, so I did not expect the other charge to stand.

However you are correct - they can be found guilty of both charges.

Selection of charges​

Causing or allowing the death of a child or vulnerable adult should not be charged instead of murder or manslaughter, where there is sufficient evidence to prosecute murder or manslaughter. As above, the causing or allowing offence may be charged in addition to murder or manslaughter.

Homicide: Murder, manslaughter, infanticide and causing or allowing the death or serious injury of a child or vulnerable adult | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk

Thanks @Alyce. Good, double bubble for U then!!

 

[PoirotPink]

The courtroom was filled with tension as jurors were informed of the defendants' decision on November 18.

Mr. Justice Cavanagh, presiding over the case, indicated to the jury their right to draw conclusions from the fact the defendants chose not to testify.

Sara Sharif Trial Update Highlights Silence Of Stepmother And Uncle

The trial concerning the tragic death of 10-year-old Sara Sharif has revealed deeply distressing circumstances surrounding her alleged murder. Sara's stepmother,…

evrimagaci.org

I think the jury reacted this way because of Batool's failure to give evidence. So many unanswered questions and concerns around her involvement. We've only seen snippets of all messages to her sister (those highlighted in court), but I suspect the jurors will have been reading all the messages in the bundle and I do have a feeling the full series of messages would paint a murkier picture than the narrative heard in court.

We've heard two different versions of the story from Urfan. We actually don't know if he was lying the first time (to protect himself) or the second (to protect Batool). There was certainly a change of heart on the day of his u-turn and Batool had to leave the courtroom, sobbing. More emotion than she showed (from what we've seen) after Sara's death. What was the emotion behind those tears? "He's sacrificing himself to save me," perhaps? There's a lot of "third-party" evidence (the bite-marks, the neighbour, the ordering of sellotape for restraints, school staff noting her behaviour) that implicates Batool as the person who most likely murdered Sara. We only have Batool's own assertions (in messages to her sister, which may have been intentional, to cover her own back) for the second version of the story. But she failed to subject herself to cross-examination so deprived the jury of the chance to assess whether she might have been telling the truth.

 

[PoirotPink]

Based on the what's been reported (jurors will obviously have more information), I also don't think a case has been properly made out against the uncle. Neither Batool, nor Urfan have ever mentioned or implicated him (not present at the sky news interview, no menton of him in text exchanges with her sisters).

It's plausible that he and they were living separate lives, in much the same way as an older teen or adult child might live with their parents but have little day to day contact with them, mostly out doing their own thing. Plus, wouldn't he have been treated like a guest? Would the couple be airing their dirty laundry and everything that was toxic about their household while he was at home? As many have noted, the house was spotless, with no signs of family life, just as you might keep it when you have guests staying with you. I thought there was more emotion on his face (in the clip where they're driving at the airport) than other two - an expression I'd describe as grim or angry. The same (i.e. more emotion) when they were arrested.

I know there's sometimes a strength of feeling in such cases, along the lines of "everyone should hang", but I find the evidence against the uncle (as reported) to be quite weak. And I can't understand why the prosecution haven't revised the charges that he's facing. i.e. I would expect the murder charge to be dropped.

JMO

 

[PoirotPink]

Batool sent 10 photographs showing bruises, saying: “This is how bad he is beating her … I feel really sorry for her, he beats the crap out of her.”


The following evening, Batool told her sister that Sara had cut up Sharif’s clothes and that she had a “jinn in her”. Her sister asked why Sara had done that, to which Batool replied: “God knows. She said Urfan is mean with her, that’s why.”

How did she forget what happened on the previous evening? The tone and content of that second message seems completely out of place if what she wrote in the first message was accurate. JMO

 

[PoirotPink]

Describing another incident on 8 May 2021, in a series of messages Batool wrote: “Urfan is going crazy beating Sara up. I’m kind of having a panic attack … He’s literally [going] to break her arm or leg, I have no idea what to do … I’m in the other room, he’s locked us out, he’s not opening the door.”

Yet, she has her phone with her, so she could call the police. Or at the very least, make a threat to Urfan that she was going to call the police if he didn't stop and open the door.

That message also reminded me of some evidence heard earlier, but it wasn't an adult woman that I envisaged being trapped behind a door. More like a sibling being kept out of the way. JMO.

He said Ms Spencer thought the “banging and rattling” sounded like “someone was banging on and pushing at a door” as if trying to open it. Reading a statement from Ms Spencer, Mr Emlyn Jones said: “On the occasions I would hear these banging and rattling sounds, they would often be accompanied by the sounds of a child crying or a screaming, followed by complete silence."

 

[su5ie]

Based on the what's been reported (jurors will obviously have more information), I also don't think a case has been properly made out against the uncle. Neither Batool, nor Urfan have ever mentioned or implicated him (not present at the sky news interview, no menton of him in text exchanges with her sisters).

It's plausible that he and they were living separate lives, in much the same way as an older teen or adult child might live with their parents but have little day to day contact with them, mostly out doing their own thing. Plus, wouldn't he have been treated like a guest? Would the couple be airing their dirty laundry and everything that was toxic about their household while he was at home? As many have noted, the house was spotless, with no signs of family life, just as you might keep it when you have guests staying with you. I thought there was more emotion on his face (in the clip where they're driving at the airport) than other two - an expression I'd describe as grim or angry. The same (i.e. more emotion) when they were arrested.

I know there's sometimes a strength of feeling in such cases, along the lines of "everyone should hang", but I find the evidence against the uncle (as reported) to be quite weak. And I can't understand why the prosecution haven't revised the charges that he's facing. i.e. I would expect the murder charge to be dropped.

JMO

From what we have been privy to from articles in msm . I can't see how the uncle can be charged with any more than fleeing the scene of a crime . How do you get an airtight conviction on the assumption he knew .

Urfan and bienash are definitely going down for a long time but for a murder charge to stick .There has to be intent . Which means the jury must find that urfan intended to kill Sara instead of just putting her in grave danger of dying .

I think this is why the judge has brought in the idea of manslaughter so soon as I feel he knows there is more chance of appeal on a murder charge .

One can assume urfan and bienash had to know one day it would be one blow to many as the weapons used especially the cricket bat is a forceful and heavy object to be repeatedly striking a child with and not expect an outcome of death . But assumption and hypothesis has no place in law only factually based evidence AFAIK.

Can manslaughter carry the same sentencing as murder

I'm sure the jury will come back with multiple charges against the defendants but the real question on everyone's lips is how long will each defendant serve in prison.

I know in some cases where there is a couple in the Dock. Regardless of level of participation or which one lead and which one followed both were given life sentences without parole . Mara Hindley and Ian Brady, Fred and Rose West and many more than we want to remember The only one that didn't but imo should have is Maxine Carr and Ian Huntly.

I think the defendants are playing the long game . They think they are clever they think they can outwit the jury and judge . These sub human beings are used to being cunning and liars and have spent 2 years escaping being caught . I think in Pakistan they hatched a plan to try confuse . I think one of the remarks of the judge in sentencing is neither defendant showed remorse which in itself can add to the length of a sentence

What really bothers me is urfan and bienash actually believe their own justification in saying the beatings happened because Sara was naughty ,cheeky or disrespectful what ever sick excuses they gave . And in hindsight I don't think bienash was texting her sisters out of any empathy or concern for Sara . I think she was looking for pity and an acceptance for what she and urfan were doing .

I don't mention fasial in these remarks not because I don't think he is guilty but because not enough evidence is known for me to form an opinion of his involvement in the torture and murder of Sara .

I pray with all my heart olga gets justice for her daughter and it brings some comfort knowing the 3 will never harm another child again and in that justice the judge takes any chance of a normal life from urfan ,bienash and fasial

And if the death penalty was still an option I would be first in the queue shouting hang them high

 

[PoirotPink]

From what we have been privy to from articles in msm . I can't see how the uncle can be charged with any more than fleeing the scene of a crime . How do you get an airtight conviction on the assumption he knew .

Urfan and bienash are definitely going down for a long time but for a murder charge to stick .There has to be intent . Which means the jury must find that urfan intended to kill Sara instead of just putting her in grave danger of dying .

I think this is why the judge has brought in the idea of manslaughter so soon as I feel he knows there is more chance of appeal on a murder charge .

One can assume urfan and bienash had to know one day it would be one blow to many as the weapons used especially the cricket bat is a forceful and heavy object to be repeatedly striking a child with and not expect an outcome of death . But assumption and hypothesis has no place in law only factually based evidence AFAIK.

Can manslaughter carry the same sentencing as murder

I'm sure the jury will come back with multiple charges against the defendants but the real question on everyone's lips is how long will each defendant serve in prison.

I know in some cases where there is a couple in the Dock. Regardless of level of participation or which one lead and which one followed both were given life sentences without parole . Mara Hindley and Ian Brady, Fred and Rose West and many more than we want to remember The only one that didn't but imo should have is Maxine Carr and Ian Huntly.

I think the defendants are playing the long game . They think they are clever they think they can outwit the jury and judge . These sub human beings are used to being cunning and liars and have spent 2 years escaping being caught . I think in Pakistan they hatched a plan to try confuse . I think one of the remarks of the judge in sentencing is neither defendant showed remorse which in itself can add to the length of a sentence

What really bothers me is urfan and bienash actually believe their own justification in saying the beatings happened because Sara was naughty ,cheeky or disrespectful what ever sick excuses they gave . And in hindsight I don't think bienash was texting her sisters out of any empathy or concern for Sara . I think she was looking for pity and an acceptance for what she and urfan were doing .

I don't mention fasial in these remarks not because I don't think he is guilty but because not enough evidence is known for me to form an opinion of his involvement in the torture and murder of Sara .

I pray with all my heart olga gets justice for her daughter and it brings some comfort knowing the 3 will never harm another child again and in that justice the judge takes any chance of a normal life from urfan ,bienash and fasial

And if the death penalty was still an option I would be first in the queue shouting hang them high

I posted a link in an earlier thread. The sentencing guidelines were changed for "causing or allowing a child to die" with an increase in the maximum sentence from 14 years to life imprisonment (for offences committed after June 2022). So regardless of whether there's a conviction for murder, the people/person the jury deems culpable will still be likely to be imprisoned for the same length of time on the lesser charge (based on the nature of the abuse and aggravating factors in this case). Most people (in the court of public opinion) are unlikely to make distinctions between "causing the death of a child" and "murder" in any case.

The lesser charge of causing or allowing a child to die is a much easier hurdle to clear. Living in the same property is enough to make one culpable of "allowing the death of a child". At a minimum, I think both Batool and Urfan will be convicted of "causing" the death of a child, and the uncle for "allowing". But of course the jury will have seen and heard a lot more than has been reported in the press.

JMO

 

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