GUILTY UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #4

[AcerPacer]

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Is this Little Tikes faded plastic playhouse the "outhouse" of the Hammond Road residence? Where the pole etc was found and Sara possibly restrained in? The whole thing is fitting under a standard window (looks large next to garden furniture due to photo angle IMO). If it's the one our neighbours' kids had, it's not even useful as a shed. A bag of fertiliser, a trowel and small pressure washer is all you'd fit in it. I'm confused!

No I think there is a concrete building at the side of the house. Someone will be able to add a picture. It appears to be about the same size as an old outdoor toilet would have been "back in the day"

 

[JennieM]

Very baffling how Olga lost custody to this man.

 

[Skigh]

No I think there is a concrete building at the side of the house. Someone will be able to add a picture. It appears to be about the same size as an old outdoor toilet would have been "back in the day"

I think the house was built post war so built with an inside bathroom /loo. The outhouse could have been for coal or other storage as there does not appear to be a garage.

 

[Dotta]

I hope today is the day Jurors start deliberations.
Although we still have uncle's barrister closing speech and Judge's Summing Up left -
or was it already done?
Hmmm...
Judge only gave the Jury legal remarks I think.

JMO

 

[su5ie]

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Is this Little Tikes faded plastic playhouse the "outhouse" of the Hammond Road residence? Where the pole etc was found and Sara possibly restrained in? The whole thing is fitting under a standard window (looks large next to garden furniture due to photo angle IMO). If it's the one our neighbours' kids had, it's not even useful as a shed. A bag of fertiliser, a trowel and small pressure washer is all you'd fit in it. I'm confused!

The outhouse is a concrete structure at side of house .you will see it if you look at the front of the house . I had to look myself as I was confused too and if you type address into Google maps you will get a better look

Rosydecember posted pic . Didn't see that haha

 

[FlamingLily]

The outhouse is a concrete structure at side of house .you will see it if you look at the front of the house . I had to look myself as I was confused too and if you type address into Google maps you will get a better look

Rosydecember posted pic . Didn't see that haha

That makes sense. Such a depressing little structure. Worries me that it's away from direct neighbour wall and so might've been the perfect prison for her not to be easily heard

 

[Moll]

That makes sense. Such a depressing little structure. Worries me that it's away from direct neighbour wall and so might've been the perfect prison for her not to be easily heard

I recall someone suggested a while ago that its relative closeness to the front of the house might have been another reason for them to want to remove the Ring device from the front door, to stop comings and goings and also noises being recorded. I've forgotten how we know about that removal- was it admitted by Urfan Sharif?

 

[Dotta]

That makes sense. Such a depressing little structure. Worries me that it's away from direct neighbour wall and so might've been the perfect prison for her not to be easily heard

This is stuff from horrific nightmares/horror movies.

And why???

What was the reason for such cruelty?
I'm afraid normal people don't know the answer.

While their prison will be comfortable in comparison.
No hoods, no ropes, no bones breaking beatings, no strangling and starving.

But comfy warm cell, 3 meals, medical help, tv and a gym.

But, at least,
others will be protected from these monsters.

There is no place in Society for such unhinged, perverted and depraved individuals.

JMO

 

[Alyce]

I hope today is the day Jurors start deliberations.
Although we still have uncle's barrister closing speech and Judge's Summing Up left -
or was it already done?
Hmmm...
Judge only gave the Jury legal remarks I think.

JMO

Correct Dotta.

The Judge has only done his initial legal instructions to the Jury so far. He will do his summing up today ( hopefully ) after Malik's KC has done his closing. I expect that Closing will be short - mainly consisting of he wasn't there, he didnt know anything.

Maybe Jury out today, or possibly first thing tomorrow.

 

[Alyce]

I recall someone suggested a while ago that its relative closeness to the front of the house might have been another reason for them to want to remove the Ring device from the front door, to stop comings and goings and also noises being recorded. I've forgotten how we know about that removal- was it admitted by Urfan Sharif?

I havent found the link yet re the removal, but I do remember it being mentioned in evidence.

However, I did find this which is interesting.



Mr Emlyn Jones also highlighted an "odd detail" in the case - the disappearance of a Ring doorbell camera from the family home when Sara's body was discovered, despite it being purchased just a month earlier.

Sara Sharif was 'hooded, restrained and beaten' in campaign of abuse, jury told




He told jurors: “It turns out there was a Ring doorbell at the house. There is evidence of it being purchased on July 11 2023

‘High pitched scream’ from home two days before Sara Sharif killed, court told

Taxi driver Urfan Sharif is on trial at the Old Bailey accused of his daughter’s murder alongside Sara’s stepmother and uncle.

www.gazetteseries.co.uk

 

[Moll]

I havent found the link yet re the removal, but I do remember it being mentioned in evidence.

However, I did find this which is interesting.



Mr Emlyn Jones also highlighted an "odd detail" in the case - the disappearance of a Ring doorbell camera from the family home when Sara's body was discovered, despite it being purchased just a month earlier.

Sara Sharif was 'hooded, restrained and beaten' in campaign of abuse, jury told




He told jurors: “It turns out there was a Ring doorbell at the house. There is evidence of it being purchased on July 11 2023

‘High pitched scream’ from home two days before Sara Sharif killed, court told

Taxi driver Urfan Sharif is on trial at the Old Bailey accused of his daughter’s murder alongside Sara’s stepmother and uncle.

www.gazetteseries.co.uk

Thanks, Alyce. That is odd. I wonder if they know it was ever installed.

 

[Nikynoo]

I recall someone suggested a while ago that its relative closeness to the front of the house might have been another reason for them to want to remove the Ring device from the front door, to stop comings and goings and also noises being recorded. I've forgotten how we know about that removal- was it admitted by Urfan Sharif?

I think it likely that the back door was used to get Sara to and from the outhouse. You make a good point about the ring door bell picking up noise - does it do this all the time or only when there is movement at the front door? I wonder whether they had an Alexa in the house? In the kitchen perhaps?

ETA picture again, to show the back door.

 

[Moll]

Correct Dotta.

The Judge has only done his initial legal instructions to the Jury so far. He will do his summing up today ( hopefully ) after Malik's KC has done his closing. I expect that Closing will be short - mainly consisting of he wasn't there, he didnt know anything.

Maybe Jury out today, or possibly first thing tomorrow.

I think Mr Ivers is still to speak on behalf of Faisal Malik, isn't he? I was puzzled that the Independent had a single sentence from him but other sources had nothing.

 

[Moll]

I think it likely that the back door was used to get Sara to and from the outhouse. You make a good point about the ring door bell picking up noise - does it do this all the time or only when there is movement at the front door? I wonder whether they had an Alexa in the house? In the kitchen perhaps?

Someone else made that point, I am afraid I am clueless about door bells with cameras etc! It surprises me that they bought it not long before Sara's death.

ETA Yes, on looking at the picture again, you're right, the back door must have been the route used.

 

[Alyce]

I think Mr Ivers is still to speak on behalf of Faisal Malik, isn't he? I was puzzled that the Independent ahd a single sentence from him but other sources had nothing.

I wonder if he started on Friday and is finishing up today ?

 

[Moll]

I wonder if he started on Friday and is finishing up today ?

Yes, that's probably the explanation - it was just that the bit they gave was so short it didn't seem worth starting then!

 

[Moll]

I don't really agree with this.

What the prosecution says is not evidence. Of course they check the evidence (IMO) because they have to show through the evidence presented, and argued at the end of the case, how it proves the charges. If there was no case to answer the defence's remit is to ask the judge to rule that the evidence is insufficient to support a conviction.

It is for the jury to decide the facts proved, the truth as they see it based on the evidence, within the framework of the law clearly laid out for them by the judge.

IMO, you will be in the frame for murder if you were one of three adult family members living together in a small space where your niece died due to persistent long term very serious abuse and restraint, which caused visible injuries and debility, and would have caused screams and significant signs of distress, perhaps unconsciousness, certainly a period of brain damage, leading up to her death, which is very unlikely to have been not apparent to all, and you didn't seek medical help for her but bought tickets (showing participation/group alliance in evading police) for all three adults plus other children, and fled within an hour of her death, and you went into hiding, and you came back to face questioning but you all three remained silent when accused of her murder, and your defence at trial is a written statement that you didn't see anything (the upshot from that being that if you did see, you committed an offence under the law) but you didn't submit yourself to cross-examination at your trial. All of those actions and inactions are evidence.

Thanks very much for this clear and eloquent explanation, Tortoise. You have completely expressed what I feel about Faisal Malik's position. I am interested to hear if Mr Ivers can add anything.

 

[Nikynoo]

Someone else made that point, I am afraid I am clueless about door bells with cameras etc! It surprises me that they bought it not long before Sara's death.

Perhaps things were ramping up and they wanted to make sure that they coud identify anyone coming to the front door? Perhaps, it was from this date when Sara spent more time in the outhouse?

ETA Curious it was purchased just before the school summer holidays started.

 

[Dotta]

I wonder whether they had an Alexa in the house? In the kitchen perhaps?

ETA picture again, to show the back door.

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What is this Alexa thing?

 

[Nikynoo]

What is this Alexa thing?

ha! I don't have one, but its a computer thing that you have in your house. You tell it to do things (e.g. play music) and it listens to everything. Looks like its based on Polish tech called Ivona.

Amazon Alexa - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org