GUILTY UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #4

[alb1on]

I lived in Horsell as a child and then else where in Woking and have taught in various local schools. Many Muslims work in places which serve non halal meat and alcohol
People seem to be googling things about Muslim traditions and are perhaps looking at the extreme ways of life ,just as they would if they looked at any other religion.

I just came across this and wanted to agree. I live in Guildford (5 miles from Woking), play cricket in a team with a number of Muslim players (we are a completely multi ethnic team and I am white) and all of my team are well integrated. They are no more extremist than any other team members. This case is more about a violent individual and should be related to similar cases from the past and presenting from different backgrounds such as the Colwell, Climbie and Hobson cases. Normally I would not comment on such cases but given the revolting attempts by some on the UK political spectrum to weaponise this case I thought I should do so, if only to defend my team friends from their slurs.

 

[Dotta]

Statement from the Children’s Commissioner ​

on the murder of Sara Sharif.​

Statement from the Children's Commissioner on the murder of Sara Sharif | Children's Commissioner for England

Sara Sharif was killed by the people in her life that should have loved her the most – and they must now face the consequences of that terrible act. Her

www.childrenscommissioner.gov.uk

"The innocent faces ​

who should have been saved by social services:​

Heartbreaking list of children failed by authorities as shocking report finds 485 children died or were injured in abuse cases last year."​

The innocent faces who should have been saved by social services

Data from the Child Safeguarding Practice Review Panel revealed 485 children either died or were seriously injured from abuse between April 1, 2023 and March 31, 2024.

www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[seasideForest]

I just came across this and wanted to agree. I live in Guildford (5 miles from Woking), play cricket in a team with a number of Muslim players (we are a completely multi ethnic team and I am white) and all of my team are well integrated. They are no more extremist than any other team members. This case is more about a violent individual and should be related to similar cases from the past and presenting from different backgrounds such as the Colwell, Climbie and Hobson cases. Normally I would not comment on such cases but given the revolting attempts by some on the UK political spectrum to weaponise this case I thought I should do so, if only to defend my team friends from their slurs.

I agree in the most part. Tho I admit I did look up some stuff about Islam.

One problem I see in this case is that U. has been using his supposed religion (it was said by witnesses that he's not actually religious) to attempt to explain things from why Sara started suddenly wearing a hijab to how we could be sure Malik wasn't around Sara (female/male segregation). So of course some people look that all up and start discussing.

I deplore any attempts by political parties to weaponise this kind of case and I'm sorry that innocent people who are Muslim or may look similar to U. etc etc etc hear slurs. Thank you for your post, it's good to hear a different view point and experience. I'm sure your team friends appreciate your actions, I would in their shoes too. Maybe didn't word that so well? I mean I'd appreciate somebody from the majority standing by me if I were in the minority, since it's easy for certain people to whip up aggression against people seen as 'other'. Happens time and time again world-wide.

IMO

 

[seasideForest]

On BBC live today somebody, I think Pakistan correspondent Caroline Davies, mentioned that the case was certainly in the Pakistan news last summer and again now after the verdict / coming up to the verdict.

About the same time on BBC live (2-2:30 pm I think and certainly yesterday), there was somebody called Danny Shore being interviewed. I didn't gather where he was from exactly, from what institution... but he was certainly demanding accountability from all those who failed Sara on the institutional side of things - social services, family court, school etc - and especially demanding that the case is thoroughly examined so as to see how Sara fell through all these institutional gaps. Later I checked the summary on BBC and strangely his name didn't show up. Did he speak too clearly on the subject?? idk. I did like hearing somebody speaking up for Sara and not mincing his words.

MOO

 

[su5ie]

I find it difficult to believe Sara was in a fit state to video call with Grandpa on the day of her death. Self preservation?
I’m also suspicious that he helped the terrible 3 in their plight to evade police in Pakistan.

JMO

Self preservation and to ensure he keeps control of urfans remaining children imo . Urfan didn't lick his behaviour off a stone and considering no grandmother or any female relative spoke about Sara to any of the networks I think women and girls in this particular family are there to serve the men and remain at the beck and call of the males. I actually really fear for the sisters of Sara staying within this family. And the fact NS was to testify as to urfan being innocent. I would worry history will be repeated as he is being thought it's OK to sacrifice a female to save your own skin jmo

 

[Moll]

About the same time on BBC live (2-2:30 pm I think and certainly yesterday), there was somebody called Danny Shore being interviewed. I didn't gather where he was from exactly, from what institution... but he was certainly demanding accountability from all those who failed Sara on the institutional side of things - social services, family court, school etc - and especially demanding that the case is thoroughly examined so as to see how Sara fell through all these institutional gaps. Later I checked the summary on BBC and strangely his name didn't show up. Did he speak too clearly on the subject?? idk. I did like hearing somebody speaking up for Sara and not mincing his words.

MOO

Could it have been Danny Shaw?

About Me | Danny Shaw

www.dannyshaw.net

'Commentator on policing, criminal justice, prisons, security & immigration. Ex-BBC home affairs correspondent; former adviser to Yvette Cooper.'

 

[su5ie]

I hope in sentencing these sadist three . The judge considers what seems to be they never set out to return from Pakistan. It is clear from the fact that Pakistani law enforcement had to use fake charges against family and friends to flush them out . When they stepped off that plane they thought they were home free and I don't think urfans family felt any duty of care to ensure justice for Sara . It was for fear of losing respect and honor in the community imo . It is now been manipulated and twisted to seem the family were doing the right thing by Sara . Guess who inherited that behaviour

 

[scapa]

Could it have been Danny Shaw?

About Me | Danny Shaw

www.dannyshaw.net

'Commentator on policing, criminal justice, prisons, security & immigration. Ex-BBC home affairs correspondent; former adviser to Yvette Cooper.'

Yes it was Danny Shaw. I listened to the interview.

 

[seasideForest]

Could it have been Danny Shaw?

About Me | Danny Shaw

www.dannyshaw.net

'Commentator on policing, criminal justice, prisons, security & immigration. Ex-BBC home affairs correspondent; former adviser to Yvette Cooper.'

Thank you, yes. I misheard last name

 

[Skigh]

Concerns raised about Sara Sharif's care 'within week of her birth'

Details from previous family court cases involving the family can now be published

www.getsurrey.co.uk

The documents disclosed to the media show that Surrey County Council first had contact with Sharif and Sara’s mother, Olga Sharif, in 2010 – more than two years before Sara was born – having received “referrals indicative of neglect” relating to her two older siblings, known only as Z and U.

This began several years of council involvement with the family which featured allegations of domestic abuse by both parents towards each other and the children.

In one document, the council said: “The local authority has a number of concerns in relation to the care that (Olga Sharif) and Mr Sharif provide Z and U and are likely to provide to Sara. There are concerns that the children are not adequately supervised.”

Between 2013 and 2015, several more abuse allegations were made, with concerns raised for each of the three children and that the parents did “not fully accept the professional concerns and the need to work cooperatively with agencies”.

November 2014, after Z was found with an arm injury consistent with an adult bite mark, Sara and her two siblings were taken into police protection, with Olga Sharif arrested and charged with assault occasioning actual bodily harm and later accepting a caution.

 

[UK Girl]

Concerns raised about Sara Sharif's care 'within week of her birth'

Details from previous family court cases involving the family can now be published

www.getsurrey.co.uk

The documents disclosed to the media show that Surrey County Council first had contact with Sharif and Sara’s mother, Olga Sharif, in 2010 – more than two years before Sara was born – having received “referrals indicative of neglect” relating to her two older siblings, known only as Z and U.

This began several years of council involvement with the family which featured allegations of domestic abuse by both parents towards each other and the children.

In one document, the council said: “The local authority has a number of concerns in relation to the care that (Olga Sharif) and Mr Sharif provide Z and U and are likely to provide to Sara. There are concerns that the children are not adequately supervised.”

Between 2013 and 2015, several more abuse allegations were made, with concerns raised for each of the three children and that the parents did “not fully accept the professional concerns and the need to work cooperatively with agencies”.

November 2014, after Z was found with an arm injury consistent with an adult bite mark, Sara and her two siblings were taken into police protection, with Olga Sharif arrested and charged with assault occasioning actual bodily harm and later accepting a caution.

Poor children

 

[Moll]

Thank you, yes. I misheard last name

You didn't mishear it, it sounds the same (in my pronunciation, anyway)!

 

[seasideForest]

November 2014, after Z was found with an arm injury consistent with an adult bite mark, Sara and her two siblings were taken into police protection, with Olga Sharif arrested and charged with assault occasioning actual bodily harm and later accepting a caution.

What is with bite marks in this case?? As far as we can tell, BB to Sara. And according to the above, earlier Olga to Z. Is it possible that Urfan bit Z. and blamed Olga? He has been proven to be a liar. otoh I would say that Sara doesn't always look that happy and relaxed when with Olga in photos. Sara's behaviour as a small child (in @Skigh 's link to getsurrey article) like not automatically putting her legs around an adult carrying her doesn't point to good or even half-good/half-normal parenting by any adults in her life at that time, IMO.

I'm confused about the initials of Sara's older siblings / half-siblings. I thought the 14yo brother in Pakistan atm was N.? Not U. or Z. So who are U. and Z.?? Not asking for names, but whose children are they? Olga's and Urfan's? Urfan's plus unknown mother? Olga's plus unknown father?

 

[UK Girl]

What is with bite marks in this case?? As far as we can tell, BB to Sara. And according to the above, earlier Olga to Z. Is it possible that Urfan bit Z. and blamed Olga? He has been proven to be a liar. otoh I would say that Sara doesn't always look that happy and relaxed when with Olga in photos. Sara's behaviour as a small child (in @Skigh 's link to getsurrey article) like not automatically putting her legs around an adult carrying her doesn't point to good or even half-good/half-normal parenting by any adults in her life at that time, IMO.

I'm confused about the initials of Sara's older siblings / half-siblings. I thought the 14yo brother in Pakistan atm was N.? Not U. or Z. So who are U. and Z.?? Not asking for names, but whose children are they? Olga's and Urfan's? Urfan's plus unknown mother? Olga's plus unknown father?

N is U I think but Z seems to be Olga's child but not Urfans. Z I think was not returned to Olga unless he was after she went to Poland

 

[Dotta]

What is with bite marks in this case?? As far as we can tell, BB to Sara. And according to the above, earlier Olga to Z. Is it possible that Urfan bit Z. and blamed Olga? He has been proven to be a liar. otoh I would say that Sara doesn't always look that happy and relaxed when with Olga in photos. Sara's behaviour as a small child (in @Skigh 's link to getsurrey article) like not automatically putting her legs around an adult carrying her doesn't point to good or even half-good/half-normal parenting by any adults in her life at that time, IMO.

I'm confused about the initials of Sara's older siblings / half-siblings. I thought the 14yo brother in Pakistan atm was N.? Not U. or Z. So who are U. and Z.?? Not asking for names, but whose children are they? Olga's and Urfan's? Urfan's plus unknown mother? Olga's plus unknown father?

You should add imaginary twins of B with her criminal ex to the mix.

 

[seasideForest]

You should add imaginary twins of B with her criminal ex to the mix.

At least imaginary twins can't be bitten or otherwise harmed.

 

[Dotta]

At least imaginary twins can't be bitten or otherwise harmed.

But their imaginary existence speaks of really sick mind.

 

[Alyce]

What is with bite marks in this case?? As far as we can tell, BB to Sara. And according to the above, earlier Olga to Z. Is it possible that Urfan bit Z. and blamed Olga? He has been proven to be a liar. otoh I would say that Sara doesn't always look that happy and relaxed when with Olga in photos. Sara's behaviour as a small child (in @Skigh 's link to getsurrey article) like not automatically putting her legs around an adult carrying her doesn't point to good or even half-good/half-normal parenting by any adults in her life at that time, IMO.

I'm confused about the initials of Sara's older siblings / half-siblings. I thought the 14yo brother in Pakistan atm was N.? Not U. or Z. So who are U. and Z.?? Not asking for names, but whose children are they? Olga's and Urfan's? Urfan's plus unknown mother? Olga's plus unknown father?

They are using unrelated initials to maintain anonymity for the children,

 

[seasideForest]

N is U I think but Z seems to be Olga's child but not Urfans. Z I think was not returned to Olga unless he was after she went to Poland

Z being removed must surely have been from before Olga went back to Poland? Or did she go back twice? It sounds as if Z was not returned to Olga, anyway.

Just beats me how on earth that judge could have decided that U. and B. would be fit parents for Sara in 2019 I think it was. Waiting for independently-led safeguarding review of all professionals who had contact with the family, as mentioned Concerns raised about Sara Sharif's care 'within week of her birth'

 

[seasideForest]

They are using unrelated initials to maintain anonymity for the children,

Thank you. That makes sense for the remaining children!
Some confusion sorted.