Found Deceased UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #11

[Gibbo214]

Charged but held in custody.

Sarah Everard: Wayne Couzens appears in court charged with murder

EC is his wife.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

So few armed officers in UK and/or the MET but if WC's division remained on call, would this warrant armed officers keeping their firearms after a shift? I'm wondering if WC would have had access to his firearm to take SE at gunpoint -- or shoot her for that matter.

Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection (PaDP)

The only UK police force which routinely carries firearms and whose officers keep their weapons, when off duty, are the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI).

All Authorised Firearms Officers in other UK forces must surrender their weapon and ammunition to the armourer at the end of their tour of duty.

 

[Seattle1]

As far as I am aware he wasn't a close protection officer. That is an even more specialised role than his PaDP role.

Is there any way to confirm this? There are so many varied accounts of his service!
I didn't read this last one to mean he only guards sites and embassies. TIA.

10 March 2021

Just hours before his arrest on suspicion of kidnapping and murdering missing Sarah Everard, Wayne Couzens had been at work keeping politicians and VIPs safe as part of the Metropolitan Police's elite Diplomatic Protection Command.

[..]

He first joined the Civil Nuclear Constabulary, where he underwent firearms training, working as part of the team protecting Dungeness Nuclear Power station close to where he lived in Kent.

But he later transferred to the Metropolitan Police, where he was able to use his firearms expertise to join the elite Diplomatic Protection Group.

Based in Westminster, the unit is tasked with protecting MPs and other dignitaries in and around the capital.

Everything we know about Wayne Couzens, the murder suspect and elite protection officer who was relied upon to keep VIPs safe

ETA: add PaDP link

Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection (PaDP)

 

[Seattle1]

The only UK police force which routinely carries firearms and whose officers keep their weapons, when off duty, are the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI).

All Authorised Firearms Officers in other UK forces must surrender their weapon and ammunition to the armourer at the end of their tour of duty.

Thank you @Whitehall 1212. I'm from UK but didn't want to be naive about any changes post terror attack on London Bridge, etc.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

Is there any way to confirm this? There are so many varied accounts of his service!
I didn't read this last one to mean he only guards sites and embassies. TIA.

10 March 2021

Just hours before his arrest on suspicion of kidnapping and murdering missing Sarah Everard, Wayne Couzens had been at work keeping politicians and VIPs safe as part of the Metropolitan Police's elite Diplomatic Protection Command.

[..]

He first joined the Civil Nuclear Constabulary, where he underwent firearms training, working as part of the team protecting Dungeness Nuclear Power station close to where he lived in Kent.

But he later transferred to the Metropolitan Police, where he was able to use his firearms expertise to join the elite Diplomatic Protection Group.

Based in Westminster, the unit is tasked with protecting MPs and other dignitaries in and around the capital.

Everything we know about Wayne Couzens, the murder suspect and elite protection officer who was relied upon to keep VIPs safe

ETA: add PaDP link

Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection (PaDP)

Close protection for royalty and government officials is provided by Royalty and Specialist Protection (RaSP). WC was attached to Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection (PaDP).

 

[Lilbitcurious]

On bail until April

Yes to appear at a police station April, was what I thought I heard the Assis.Comm say to reporters in update? IMO

Is there any way to confirm this? There are so many varied accounts of his service!
I didn't read this last one to mean he only guards sites and embassies. TIA.

10 March 2021

Just hours before his arrest on suspicion of kidnapping and murdering missing Sarah Everard, Wayne Couzens had been at work keeping politicians and VIPs safe as part of the Metropolitan Police's elite Diplomatic Protection Command.

[..]

He first joined the Civil Nuclear Constabulary, where he underwent firearms training, working as part of the team protecting Dungeness Nuclear Power station close to where he lived in Kent.

But he later transferred to the Metropolitan Police, where he was able to use his firearms expertise to join the elite Diplomatic Protection Group.

Based in Westminster, the unit is tasked with protecting MPs and other dignitaries in and around the capital.

Everything we know about Wayne Couzens, the murder suspect and elite protection officer who was relied upon to keep VIPs safe

ETA: add PaDP link

Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection (PaDP)

yeah and VIP’s would need private security or “Bodyguard” possibly when they are NOT working too?? I think I was too curious too early! I said another possible job on the side being a bodyguard. Would a PO be allowed to take a position like this

 

[Herat]

About the way someone can force someone in a car... many years ago I was a battered wife and my husband used to search for me when I ran away. He would pull up, open the passenger door, nip out leaving his door open run round grab my hair or my collar pull me to the car and just bash my face onto the car roof. Stunned and hurt, I was pushed into the car. Believe me, this all took a matter of seconds. Seconds. Both doors were always open every time. I suppose it saves opening car doors and saves valuable getting away time. No time to take breath to scream, because you need a lungful of air to do that.

Oh, Candytuft, that's truly harrowing.

What strength you must have to get away from all that and be able to tell about it.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

Yes to appear at a police station April, was what I thought I heard the Assis.Comm say to reporters in update? IMO

yeah and VIP’s would need private security or “Bodyguard” possibly when they are NOT working too?? I think I was too curious too early! I said another possible job on the side being a bodyguard. Would a PO be allowed to take a position like this

Permission would need to be sought from a senior supervising officer.

It is most unlikely that permission would be given for such a role, as it would conflict with the powers and duties of a police officer.

A police officer is expected to act even when off-duty and his/her powers can be executed at any time.

 

[Lilbitcurious]

Permission would need to be sought from a senior supervising officer.

It is most unlikely that permission would be given for such a role, as it would conflict with the powers and duties of a police officer.

A police officer is expected to act even when off-duty and his/her powers can be executed at any time.

So IMO EC has been released on bail without charge but IMO a defo POI possibly against WC just my opinion

 

[kittythehare]

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Dame Cressida Dick visited search sites in Kent today to thank teams involved in continued searches in relation to the investigation.

Police marine unit divers continued their search of ponds in Hoad Wood behind the grounds of the derelict activity centre in Great Chart on Saturday afternoon.

A lone police officer also stood guard outside the home of Couzens in the seaside town of Deal, Kent as forensics teams continued their search there.

Dated 13th
Met Police officer Wayne Couzens arrives at court to face charges of murder and kidnap | Daily Mail Online

 

[Bethan]

I agree with all of that. I also think he will succeed in killing himself.

I agree.

 

[Al Ka]

Does anyone know why the police would opt to have the body identified by dental records and not by a family member? Sorry if that sounds crass but would a reason be that the body is in too distressing a sight to see (I don’t want to give example but hopefully you know what I’m getting at) vs totally unrecognisable due to decomposition or burning?

To view deceased body of anyone is highly distressing event, even for police. For family members where there is strong emotional attachment to the deceased, double that emotions for parents, it can be unbearable with long lasting effects. You can't choose to unsee something once you have already seen it. That image will stay with you forever. Anything that can be done to avoid putting family through this trauma should be done. Police have done correct thing here no matter in what state Sarah's body was found.

I have to mention that there were also few instances where family members misidentified the body due to viewings and whole experience just too distressing to bear. Nowadays though police would not call the family if there were not almost certain deceased person is their family member.

Bodies are most easily identified by the tattoos, though I do not recall if Sarah had any. After that fingerprints and/or dentals are the easiest, fastest and the cheapest route. If none above is available and body is badly deteriorated or already skeletal, it follows by the most expensive option - DNA comparison with family.

All above is just in my humble opinion.

 

[Herat]

To view deceased body of anyone is highly distressing event, even for police. For family members where there is strong emotional attachment to the deceased, double that emotions for parents, it can be unbearable with long lasting effects. You can't choose to unsee something once you have already seen it. That image will stay with you forever. Anything that can be done to avoid putting family through this trauma should be done. Police have done correct thing here no matter in what state Sarah's body was found.

I have to mention that there were also few instances where family members misidentified the body due to viewings and whole experience just too distressing to bear. Nowadays though police would not call the family if there were not almost certain deceased person is their family member.

Bodies are most easily identified by the tattoos, though I do not recall if Sarah had any. After that fingerprints and/or dentals are the easiest, fastest and the cheapest route. If none above is available and body is badly deteriorated or already skeletal, it follows by the most expensive option - DNA comparison with family.

All above is just in my humble opinion.

And fingerprints only work if there is a set of confirmed fingerprints on record, and if the fingerpads haven't been damaged

 

[Herat]

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Dame Cressida Dick visited search sites in Kent today to thank teams involved in continued searches in relation to the investigation.

Police marine unit divers continued their search of ponds in Hoad Wood behind the grounds of the derelict activity centre in Great Chart on Saturday afternoon.

A lone police officer also stood guard outside the home of Couzens in the seaside town of Deal, Kent as forensics teams continued their search there.

Dated 13th
Met Police officer Wayne Couzens arrives at court to face charges of murder and kidnap | Daily Mail Online

Maybe looking for a weapon?

 

[Gibbo214]

Maybe looking for a weapon?

You have to think that they are looking for something specific.

 

[Winterbells]

everyone behaves differently when fear strikes....you may think thats what she could do,but she might have just froze.

I agree. And think a lot of women in this situation might feel it's 'safer' not to escalate things by barging against him whilst he drives, grabbing the wheel to cause an accident, or biting him, or whatever. If this were me, I'd be terrified he's going to kill me, so I'd be hoping that compliance might keep me alive.

 

[Winterbells]

He wasn't "close protection for VIPs" - that is a separate part of the command he worked at - he was responsible for mobile and static guarding of locations such as embassies and parliament.

I'm wondering if this was some sort of demotion from his previous posts? It doesn't sound terribly challenging.

 

[Custard Cream]

Sorry if this has been picked up already, the threads are moving so fast for me.

The Scottish newspaper report with much more detail says the the white Astra was caught on a bus cam with the driver and passenger doors open.

If this is the front passenger door, rather than the back, this points to SE getting in voluntarily, no? If she was being co-erred in under duress or violence, he would put her in the back surely?

 

[Gibbo214]

I'm wondering if this was some sort of demotion from his previous posts? It doesn't sound terribly challenging.

Although a lot has been said here about his skills in his field, he was 5'7", a small man, no matter how stocky.

 

[Gibbo214]

Sorry if this has been picked up already, the threads are moving so fast for me.

The Scottish newspaper report with much more detail says the the white Astra was caught on a bus cam with the driver and passenger doors open.

If this is the front passenger door, rather than the back, this points to SE getting in voluntarily, no? If she was being co-erred in under duress or violence, he would put her in the back surely?

I am not sure of that.Why would both doors be open?