UK UK - Sarah Wellgreen, 46, Kent, 9 Oct 2018

[Tortoise]

It's the time lapses in this case that seem so weird to me. They searched the residence on 2nd November but didn't act until 20th December when new information was received. I've been wondering about Sarah's car and whether that may have been used in this crime, moved and re-parked again, but then I still don't understand the delay. I haven't seen anything about her car being taken away for testing but I suppose it could have been towed earlier and missed by the news crews. What if they had to send off soil samples from her car's tyres for analysis, to compare with the Thames mudflats, I think that would take time.

 

[deugirtni]

I wonder if LE found anything inside the marital home which was forensically identified as being evidence of an attack inside. (Tests could potentially have taken time, who knows?) If so, that would point to SW's ex. I haven't read anything about Neil ever going to or being inside her home.

 

[deugirtni]

Remember those shots taken of a hooded figure at the water, along with a vehicle? It was reported in the Mirror. The vehicle is really incriminating in itself.. imho. The hooded figure, from what we can see, also seems to match body type, hood he was wearing at other times, etc. Considering that seems to be an out-of-the-way type of area, how would photos ever have been taken there??


Police hunt mysterious hooded figure in search for missing mum Sarah Wellgreen

 

[Tortoise]

Remember those shots taken of a hooded figure at the water, along with a vehicle? It was reported in the Mirror. The vehicle is really incriminating in itself.. imho. The hooded figure, from what we can see, also seems to match body type, hood he was wearing at other times, etc. Considering that seems to be an out-of-the-way type of area, how would photos ever have been taken there??

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Police hunt mysterious hooded figure in search for missing mum Sarah Wellgreen

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The article says

Police searched Thames mudflats in the hunt for Sarah Wellgreen after grainy CCTV footage of a hooded figure emerged

 

[Tortoise]

I wonder what the tide levels were on the night of the 9th October.

 

[deugirtni]

But where would the cctv footage from such a place have come from??

 

[Tortoise]

But where would the cctv footage from such a place have come from??

Must be a building near the banks of the Thames. Probably a business I would think.

 

[deugirtni]

It just didn't look like much was out there.

 

[jessie]

It just didn't look like much was out there.

There are some decent photos and also street names of where the police were searching in the mudflats in this article. Might give you a better idea. I am assuming these searches were tracked to that 'hooded figure' cctv pic. so the same area.
Divers search River Thames in bid to find mum

 

[Legally Bland]

There are some decent photos and also street names of where the police were searching in the mudflats in this article. Might give you a better idea. I am assuming these searches were tracked to that 'hooded figure' cctv pic. so the same area.
Divers search River Thames in bid to find mum

Thanks, I didn't realise we had better pics and info. I've been up and down the south bank of the Thames in Kent today trying to find where the CCTV was taken from (not that there's much to go on).

So this is one of the search areas:

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Google Maps

Based on this pic:

Divers search River Thames in bid to find mum

 

[Legally Bland]

Right, this is my best guess for the CCTV. I may be wrong, but I need to stop as I'm getting dizzy:


Google Maps

Based on:

Police hunt mysterious hooded figure in search for missing mum Sarah Wellgreen

 

[jessie]

Spot on LB, well done. I've walked it on google but couldn't find the fencing shown on the CCTV, so that is fantastic.

 

[Legally Bland]

Thanks, I didn't realise we had better pics and info. I've been up and down the south bank of the Thames in Kent today trying to find where the CCTV was taken from (not that there's much to go on).

So this is one of the search areas:

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Google Maps

Based on this pic:

Divers search River Thames in bid to find mum

Just to add, I wasn't physically going up and down the banks of the Thames, I was on google maps. It was probably obvious but thought I should clarify.

 

[WiseOwl]

Right, this is my best guess for the CCTV. I may be wrong, but I need to stop as I'm getting dizzy:

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Google Maps

Based on:

Police hunt mysterious hooded figure in search for missing mum Sarah Wellgreen

Thanks for posting this. Does the sign at the back say SARA CRESCENT or are my eyes deceiving me? If this was the car in question then a spooky coincidence to have her name in the background.

 

[Tortoise]

If that is the correct location for the cctv footage of the car, it looks as if it was not parked on the actual mudflats but a road. I thought the wet surface was the actual muddy banks of the Thames but perhaps it was the lights shining on rainwater on the road surface.

 

[jessie]

If that is the correct location for the cctv footage of the car, it looks as if it was not parked on the actual mudflats but a road. I thought the wet surface was the actual muddy banks of the Thames but perhaps it was the lights shining on rainwater on the road surface.

Maybe just my eyes, but I still think I can see another car parked in that CCTV behind and to the right which suggests it was a hard surface. Not good at posting pics, but shown in post #263 above (deugirtni)

 

[Tortoise]

Maybe just my eyes, but I still think I can see another car parked in that CCTV behind and to the right which suggests it was a hard surface. Not good at posting pics, but shown in post #263 above (deugirtni)

I've been wondering what that was, I thought it looked like it could be a trailer on the car but it makes sense if it was another car parked at the side of the road. It looks to me then with the subject car being crosswise on the road that it isn't parked but captured during a three point turn in the road maybe. I can't make out if that is a driver in the front, or a seat with a head rest.

It's a whole lot different than I imagined originally, with a car parked on the mudflats with lights shining out onto the Thames, which would be quite a suspicious place to be. This location next to residences involves more physical effort to dispose of a body, and more chance of being seen.

MOO

 

[Tortoise]

Does this picture here of the hooded man not look like there are those metal barriers used to separate the directions of traffic on motorways - both pictures for comparison

 

[Legally Bland]

I'm not 100% certain I've got the right place, and I didn't think it was in a residential area. I also thought the car was on mudflats, I was expecting the fencing to be metal, possibly next to an industrial area. I was originally searching for slipways, or just somewhere a car could access the mudflats.

I don't think he parked there either. The other CCTV pic seems to show pretty much the same place (I couldn't see it before) but a slightly different angle, and no car:

Police hunt mysterious hooded figure in search for missing mum Sarah Wellgreen

It's the post coming up from the right hand side of the street sign and the shape of the sign (just above his head) which is swaying me towards it being the right place. And the proximity to where police were searching near the playground.

Google Maps

Another problem is the pic has been photoshopped. They've definitely obscured the sign on the car, and I think they've done the street sign too.

But I do see double yellow lines now, which I totally missed before (bottom right and maybe behind the car):

(Same link as above.)

I think it's difficult with a low quality picture, I start imagining I'm seeing things. (10 points for anyone who can find the giant knitted hyena.)

And I don't understand why the police would release CCTV to jog memories, but not give the location.

 

[Legally Bland]

Does this picture here of the hooded man not look like there are those metal barriers used to separate the directions of traffic on motorways - both pictures for comparison

I think that's definitely possible. I've been staring at these pics for too long, I'll have another look later.