GUILTY UK - Sebastian Kalinowski, 15, murdered

[Theomumx14]

Mums time to take the stand

 

[Theomumx14]

What a surprise “mum was abused too” but only beatings shown on CCTV was towards Sebastian from mother and mums boyfriend

 

[Theomumx14]

No mention of poor Sebastian but let’s all check on the cat and talk bout getting married

 

[Theomumx14]

Boo hoo you have a scar on your eyebrow!!!! What about the scars Sebastian died with?? What about the scars left in the hearts of Sebastian’s family????

 

[Pinkestpanther]

Prosecution are summing up so it shouldn't be too long before the jury retire. But honestly what sentence could in any way be appropriate - life for murder just isn't enough. I haven't been able to follow this case closely as it's so bad. The poor jury - hope they can get support to deal with everything they have seen.
I just hope they get the harshest sentences they possibly can. RiP beautiful Sebastian.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

 

[ldeejay]

I have followed many cases but this case has got to be the most worst… But is that because we know in detail cause of the CCTV footage and don’t know every detail of all the cases??? Let’s just all hope that justice will finally be served!!!!!

This one unfortunately is in my home town, trial has been delayed due to the extreme heat we are having today and will continue tomorrow. it is so sad that this has happened. Sebastian Kalinowski murder trial live week 6 as verdict nears

 

[Dotta]

This is always the same grim pattern.
The partner of the bio parent
hatefully abuses the kid/s.

And the bio parent either watches silently, or joins in.

As if deprived of parental love.

PS
The murderer's name is ANDRZEJ (Andrew)
Not "Andrezj" or however the Press spell it.

RIP Sebastian

 

[Whitehall 1212]

This is always the same grim pattern.
The partner of the bio parent
hatefully abuses the kid/s.

And the bio parent either watches silently, or joins in.

As if deprived of parental love.

PS
The murderer's name is ANDRZEJ (Andrew)
Not "Andrezj" or however the Press spell it.

RIP Sebastian

Truly heartbreaking and not for the first time.

I had some involvement with just such a tragic case in London in the mid 80's......some things you can never unsee and we seem no further forward.

Society needs to get a grip of ensuring that children are safe.

RIP Sebastian...I'm sorry that no one protected you.

A catalogue of cruelty and this doesn't include the past twenty years.

Catalogue of cruelty

David Batty chronicles the shocking child killings that have rocked this country in the past 60 years.

www.theguardian.com

 

[Dotta]

I would advise abused teens to run away.
Go to Police station/hospital/ church, etc., show signs of abuse and beg for help.

Arthur and Logan were too young to escape, unfortunately.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

I would advise abused teens to run away.
Go to Police station, show signs of abuse and beg for help.

Arthur or Logan were too young to escape, unfortunately.

The psychological dynamics of abuse prevent many of those abused from seeking help or telling someone outside the home.

This is similar psychology to that used against domestic violence, modern slavery and people trafficking victims.

Every school should be pro-active in identifying a child's home environment in conjunction with Social Services and the Police.

School is the only place that children are legally obliged to attend. Their absence should prompt a process of checks.

Religious schools that operate outside the state system and home schooled children should also be the subject to stringent checks.

 

[Theomumx14]

Todays the jury will retire and hopefully a verdict will be reached quickly

 

[Dotta]

I found this article in Polish MS Press - I remember reading it in 2021 and decided to find it.
It is info about the mother and Sebastian's life in Poland.
The title: "All Sebastian wanted was LOVE "

Google Chrome can translate it for you.

Sebastian chciał tylko miłości najbliższych. Znalazł się w potrzasku. 15-latek nie żyje

Sebastian jak każde dziecko chciał być kochany. 15-latek miał swoje plany i marzenia, uwielbiał grać w piłkę po zajęciach szkolnych. W swoim krótkim życiu chłopiec przeszedł jednak wiele złego i ki...

www.fakt.pl

 

[beubeubeu]

I would advise abused teens to run away.
Go to Police station/hospital/ church, etc., show signs of abuse and beg for help.

It doesn't work. It never works.
When abused child does that then usually police, social services or whoever goes back to the parents to ask if it's true.
Then abusers say that it's not true, offer some lousy explanations for the injuries (if they feel like it, cause usually explanations are not needed) and apologise those nice and caring people for trouble that compulsive liar of a child caused them.
Then those people leave and kid is left for a beating and torture ten times as cruel as before.

Running away also works in favour of abusers. Kid runs away... then what? No safe place, no chance for work, school, and staying away from horror. If caught then forced to go back. More than one report of running away, and any further disappearance gets low priority. Sometime later ooops... it looks like parents beated that child to death few years prior and nobody noticed.

As most women are murdered by their abusive partners or stalkers right after they're taking serious steps to cut them out of their life, most of kids that end up tortured to death end up like that while in progress of being punished for tryng to run away from it, trying to reach for help or getting somebodys light, short-lived attention that caused their parents or mother's boyfriend's trouble.

 

[Dotta]

It doesn't work. It never works.
When abused child does that then usually police, social services or whoever goes back to the parents to ask if it's true.
Then abusers say that it's not true, offer some lousy explanations for the injuries (if they feel like it, cause usually explanations are not needed) and apologise those nice and caring people for trouble that compulsive liar of a child caused them.
Then those people leave and kid is left for a beating and torture ten times as cruel as before.

Running away also works in favour of abusers. Kid runs away... then what? No safe place, no chance for work, school, and staying away from horror. If caught then forced to go back. More than one report of running away, and any further disappearance gets low priority. Sometime later ooops... it looks like parents beated that child to death few years prior and nobody noticed.

As most women are murdered by their abusive partners or stalkers right after they're taking serious steps to cut them out of their life, most of kids that end up tortured to death end up like that while in progress of being punished for tryng to run away from it, trying to reach for help or getting somebodys light, short-lived attention that caused their parents or mother's boyfriend's trouble.

Well, I wouldn't be so pessimistic.

I can't imagine any Police officer dismiss the cry of help coming from a minor.

In fact, in school where I work we often welcome Police officers/ psychologists who have meetings with students.
Kids are instructed where to find help.

They all know the phone number of Help Line - the help is waiting.

Nobody must put up with abusive treatment.

Permitting to be bullied and abused only emboldens the tyrants.

And kids nowadays know very well their rights.
Children's Rights.

After all, they are educated about them at school.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

Well, I wouldn't be so pessimistic.

I can't imagine any Police officer dismiss the cry of help coming from a minor.

In fact, in school where I work we often welcome Police officers/ psychologists who have meetings with students.
Kids are instructed where to find help.

They all know the phone number of Help Line - the help is waiting.

Nobody must put up with abusive treatment.

Permitting to be bullied and abused only emboldens the tyrants.

And kids nowadays know very well their rights.
Children's Rights.

After all, they are educated about them at school.

Sadly the reality is that Social Services have the final word.

Social Services need to have significant and evidenced concerns to remove a child from their home environment and place them in emergency foster care or local authority accommodation....places are very limited.

This means that children are returned home and as we know Social Services are so under resourced that they are unable to maintain a close enough eye in the future and act quickly, if required.

I cannot tell you the number of times I took children into police protection, which is never done lightly. I would contact Social Services and pass the child into their care only to find out on my next shift that they had been returned home.

This is the reality. Our statutory services are failing children at risk!

 

[Dotta]

Sadly the reality is that Social Services have the final word.

Social Services need to have significant and evidenced concerns to remove a child from their home environment and place them in emergency foster care or local authority accommodation....places are very limited.

This means that children are returned home and as we know Social Services are so under resourced that they are unable to maintain a close enough eye in the future and act quickly, if required.

I cannot tell you the number of times I took children into police protection, which is never done lightly. I would contact Social Services and pass the child into their care only to find out on my next shift that they had been returned home.

This is the reality. Our statutory services are failing children at risk!

I see.
Well, where I live, abused kids are placed in Emergency Care and the case is forwarded to Family Court.
Family Judge decides about the future of the maltreated child and the eventual removal of parenting rights.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

I see.
Well, where I live, abused kids are placed in Emergency Care and the case is forwarded to Family Court.
Family Judge decides about the future of the maltreated child and the eventual removal of parenting rights.

Are you in the UK, Poland or elsewhere?

 

[Dotta]

Are you in the UK, Poland or elsewhere?

I live in Poland

 

[Dotta]

GUILTY!!!!!!!!!

RIP Sebastian

"The jury took just three hours and 39 minutes before returning unanimous verdicts against both defendants.
After the verdicts were delivered Kalinowska began crying in the dock.

Adjourning sentencing until October at the earliest, Mrs Justice Lambert said the jury's dedication to the case had been "truly extraordinary."

Sebastian Kalinowski: Mother and partner guilty of murdering teenage son - BBC News

Sebastian Kalinowski, 15, endured months of torture and abuse before his death in August 2021.

www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org