The Met are just on it now, taken 36 years, but they manage it in the end. DV is next up?With this second viewing did the police take all the keys that Sturgis had for “Stevenage Road” and do searches inside?!
Looking at the general culture within the Met at the time I don’t think any independent group would be allowed to come up with anything except JC did it. Especially if Dickey had any say in it.From memory, there was a team of 'civilian assessors' that looked afresh at all avalable evidence from the original investigation team, either prior to or as part of the year 2000 police review (led by Dickey).
Yet (I assuming), they too backed Mr Kipper / JC as the person responsible .....
Agree, this really bugs me because pure logic and deduction (which detectives are supposed to use) dictate this should happen.I could be thinking of a different reinvestigation, but I thought the terms of reference in 2000 were to either incriminate or eliminate JC. That's not actually a reinvestigation worthy of the name - it began by assuming its conclusion.
As there's no evidence JC was ever near Fulham, there was no prospect of incriminating him. As the police didn't check his alibi until 2000, by which time those who'd provided it were all dead, there was no prospect of eliminating him, either. So the police told the CPS anyway that JC did it, and the CPS told the police to stroll on.
We may disagree with DV's conclusion, but you can't really fault how he's gone about this. He's identified a number of places SJL could have been going - Shorrolds, home to get her tennis stuff, or the PoW. He's methodically eliminated the first two, meaning the one that's left is the PoW.
Furthermore, it looks circumstantially as though the entire police-accepted narrative re the PoW relies on the statements of someone who may have been the only person at the PoW that afternoon, if that is where SJL actually went. If so, he should have been considered a suspect from the outset until eliminated by a search of hiding places to which CV had access. In 1986 it would have been ten minutes' work for one dog.
Because of that and because it has never been searched, you eliminate the PoW next. If she did come to harm there, it is conceivable that it was too difficult to move her, so she might still be there. It's not too late.
It's bizarre. Why would the police search Shorrolds and her home, but not the other place they knew she was headed?
I find this frustrating because my background is in forensics and you can’t ignore anything at all. If you do and you go to court another expert will pick this up
Like minds.100%.
My background has included expert witness work in commercial litigation and being a criminal trial witness. In each case you simply cannot leave this sort of point unresolved. A classic is the expert witness report where the executive summary is not based verbatim on copy-pasted text from the main body of the report. This is an absolute gift to the opposition, because you can then say Hang on, the so-called summary includes stuff not in the main body - so it's not a summary at all, is it? Did you form your opinion and write it first, and then decide what to pad it out with? Is there some analysis that went on between the main body and the exec sum that you haven't included? What else haven't you included?
You could do the same here to the police really. Why did you search Shorrolds, her flat, and 123 Stevenage Road, but not the PoW? Why did you assume she had the keys? Why did you only ask for witnesses in Shorrolds and nowhere else? Why do you attach weight to supposed witness sightings 14 years after the fact? Why didn't you establish who knew she had lost stuff at the PoW?
Shambles really...
I paid a lot more for my copy, the price drop is good and should allow those with a new interest in the case to get a copy.Incidentally the price of AS' book has now subsided to a more realistic £10 to £12. Just as well because I never got a reply from the publisher to my mail suggesting they put it out on Kindle.
I hope DV is right as the alternatives offer little hope of finding SJL.Until about a year or two ago ago all I really knew about SJL's disappearance was that the plod thought JC had done it, and that the CPS disagreed.
What I read in the press and elsewhere, however, simply emphasised the thinness of the police case: it rests entirely on JC's supposed likeness to "Mr Kipper". Some fringe nutter would suggest something obviously crazy, like Jimmy Savile had done it or Fred West's brother had done it. I'd realise that actually, the case against any of them wasn't any weaker than the police case against JC. They might have done it; they might have been in the area; they might have known SJL; it's the kind of thing they'd probably do; and so on. Now and then there'd be another search of JC-related territory announced, and nothing would be found.
So my interest in this was rekindled when DV first indicated, a few years ago, that he thought he'd solved the case and had identified a living perp. I bought his book and was initially a bit mystified: SJL intended to go to the PoW, she never went there, so she died there and is still hidden there - eh? How did she get there? Who is DV saying did it?
From discussing it here, it's been possible to work out what DV's suggesting, necessarily between the lines. There are a couple of places SJL could have been heading, and we can eliminate all of them bar the PoW. So as it was possible for her to go there unobserved and be hidden there, it needs searching, which should have been done routinely in 1986.
The fact that DV has heavily anonymised CV (I didn't know he'd done that until I learnt it here), that CV's story apparently changed between 1986 and 1987, that he may have been the only person who knew when SJL was coming and the only person there when she did, and that his ex-partner appears still to be scared of him 30 years on, are huge red flags.
It also seems clear that if, alternatively, CV's account of phone calls was actually accurate - as opposed to just chaff that he later thought he'd better introduce, so as to confuse the police - then there are a couple of other people whose movements and associations need to be understood.
So between AS, DV and the discussion here, on balance I think DV is right and she could be at the PoW or on the adjacent embankment. Inferentially, this would be because she was attacked and killed by CV, possibly as she struggled.
This requires CV to be the sort of person who assaults women while his partner has popped out, who kills and hides them to keep it quiet, and who then regains his composure and acts normal. This is a stretch, but people like this do exist and so it at least merits the search. The police appear not to think so and hence it appears likely to me that SJL's killer will get away with it.
As long as the Mets head is firmly in the sand I agree. Can’t see this changing unless A N OTHER finds SJL for them and force’s them to get on the case.I've followed this case as a 17 year old. I'd never seen the like of it before, it fascinating me then and still does.
Times when perhaps when I've over-thought what has happened. Did SL stumble in on a criminal gang meeting and seal her own fate? Is her killer known to the police and protected because he's a police informer on London's underworld? Was SL part of an estate money laundering outfit, which she fell foul of?
It's prob best to keep simple. Taking in what we know now, CV at the PoW appears very likely to be key in her disapperance. Why wasn't he ever taken to a police station and questioned?! There's no record of this. Never mind being arrested as a person of interest. A few visits from the police is all this man has ever reported to have had.
IMO sadly, police incompetence then and coupled with a head in the sand / refusal to deal with things policy now means that it's most likely, SLs disappearance will remain one of Britain's infamous mysteries ...
Well put and 100% correct.Telegraph has a piece today, on the anniversary of the Sarah Everard murder by a police officer, on the impression made by previous notorious murders. One is about SJL:
‘My world tilted on its axis’
Judith Woods
Suzy Lamplugh. Hers is a name that still has the power to give me a moment’s there-but-for-the-grace-of-God pause. I was 20 years old and at university in Edinburgh when she went missing – and the world as we knew it tilted on its axis.
This was slap-bang in the 1980s and my generation of students were revelling in a giddy sense of empowerment, faintly militant as we teamed our short skirts with Doc Marten’s. Margaret Thatcher was our first female prime minister, Madonna was our beacon of liberated womanhood, right-on alternative comedy ruled supreme. We knew the score. And then, suddenly we didn’t.
For us, Suzy Lamplugh’s sudden disappearance was all the more shocking because she wasn’t engaging in any of the behaviour we had been warned was risky. Not drinking shots. Not popping pills. Not swaying home late at night with a stranger she met in a nightclub.
This was a young professional doing her job, in daylight. Her body was never found, her grieving family never received answers or closure. The nationwide horror hammered home the vulnerability of simply being a woman in modern Britain.
Suzy Lamplugh – I’ve only ever used her full name as anything else seems weirdly presumptive – was reported missing on July 28 1986 after attending an appointment with someone calling himself ‘Mr Kipper’, to show him round a house in Shorrolds Road, Fulham.
She was never seen again. Police named a suspect, John Cannan, who was subsequently jailed for the abduction and murder of 29-year-old Shirley Banks just over a year later, but insufficient evidence meant he was never charged with her murder. Even when the case was reopened in the early 2000s no action was taken. He has always denied any involvement.
The Suzy Lamplugh Trust was established in December 1986 by her grieving parents, Paul and Diana, with a mission to raise awareness of personal safety. It has become the go-to authority for media comment and opened a Sarah Everard fundraising appeal after her murder.
Even 36 years after her fatal kidnapping, it’s no exaggeration to say the mention of Suzy Lamplugh’s name serves as the very worst kind of salutary reminder; namely that simply by being a woman you will always be a potential target.
What happened to her is still happening to women like Sarah Everard and Sabina Nessa.
The truth is that any one of us - any one of our daughters or sisters or friends – can become a wrong-time, wrong-place victim without any provocation, without any inkling of the danger, without any hope of escape. That is the terrifying reality that we must live with every day.
Although not a bad summary, it shows what DV is up against in trying to overturn the established narrative. It's assumed that there was a visit to Shorrolds; that there was a Mr Kipper; up pops JC's name again; missing as always is any suggestion of other possibilities; and there's no mention of DV's reinvestigation. Whoever did this, whether CV or someone else, they are being protected by the police, because it would be too embarrassing for the police to prosecute them now. Just insane.
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