UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #2

[Cluesleuth]

No I already asked this he said there were no visitors and no phone calls for SL that he knew of. he was out for 30 minutes so he saw most of the day and its events he remembers nothing weird

I was thinking more about the weeks before.

 

[Cluesleuth]

Susannah Clapp · Ventures

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Anita Brookner suggested the loss of SL's items on the Sunday night

Was SL drunk when she lost her items?

Thank you for posting this Pinkizzy. This is how I expect to read about a case I want the honest truth

 

[WestLondoner]

I have no issue with this scenario but the car could have been parked in one of several roads so unless the abductor either followed her from the office to her car or happened to be in the road by luck I think the chances of this are unlikely.

This has always been a key point for me. How exactly do you carjack someone who doesn't even know where her own car is? How did he know, just from seeing her approach her car, that she wasn't expected back in 10 minutes and would be missed almost instantly?

 

[TimFisher1965]

Susannah Clapp · Ventures

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Anita Brookner suggested the loss of SL's items on the Sunday night

Was SL drunk when she lost her items?

She goes a lot further in the notes held in a library in the USA if you can decipher her appalling handwriting

 

[WestLondoner]

She goes a lot further in the notes held in a library in the USA if you can decipher her appalling handwriting

Are those online anywhere?

 

[TimFisher1965]

This has always been a key point for me. How exactly do you carjack someone who doesn't even know where her own car is? How did he know, just from seeing her approach her car, that she wasn't expected back in 10 minutes and would be missed almost instantly?

Exactly my point, speculation is fine (we have to do that in this case) but with common sense and deductive reasoning we should be able to work out the more likely what "probably" happened. Take the possessions as a case in point.

Suzy works Friday goes out with AL on Friday night allegedly loses property (does not in my opinion despite what AL says in a documentary)
Works Sat morning says nothing to anyone about losing possessions.
Goes to party on Saturday night with close friends says nothing about losing possessions
Goes windsurfing on Sunday afternoon with friends says nothing about losing possessions
Goes to her parents house on Sunday night says nothing about losing possessions
Goes home allegedly speaks to AL (more likely called him from phone box at POW at 10.15pm and drops her stuff then)
Goes home does not see NB
Sees NB in the morning before going to work says nothing about losing possessions
Goes to work sees JC he says that she was "stressed" about losing possessions

There is no evidence or hint that she lost them before Sunday night, JC is 100% convinced she lost them Sunday night.

There is no other evidence that anything else happened but the narrative says she lost them Friday night on the steps of the POW

 

[TimFisher1965]

Are those online anywhere?

They are available but you need to request them from the Harry ransom Centre (I scanned them and have a copy)

 

[Pinkizzy]

This has always been a key point for me. How exactly do you carjack someone who doesn't even know where her own car is? How did he know, just from seeing her approach her car, that she wasn't expected back in 10 minutes and would be missed almost instantly?

I guess he sat in a bar opposite Sturgis, waiting for SL to leave and followed her

 

[Pinkizzy]

Why didn't SL drop off the contract to 146 Wardo if it was on her way to Putney (Radipole - Wardo - Fulham Palace Road - Putney)?

 

[TimFisher1965]

Why didn't SL drop off the contract to 146 Wardo if it was on her way to Putney (Radipole - Wardo - Fulham Park Road - Putney)?

Perhaps it was standard to bike them over? not sure

 

[WestLondoner]

Was the contract to be biked to Wardo or was it about the sale of Wardo to be biked somewhere else?

 

[TimFisher1965]

Was the contract to be biked to Wardo or was it about the sale of Wardo to be biked somewhere else?

Don’t know, not sure it matters I was just trying to explain what the writing in the page meant in case there was anything important about it. I don’t think it had any bearing on the case but it needed explaining. JC thinks it was a contract by courier and I agree

 

[Cluesleuth]

Exactly my point, speculation is fine (we have to do that in this case) but with common sense and deductive reasoning we should be able to work out the more likely what "probably" happened. Take the possessions as a case in point.

Suzy works Friday goes out with AL on Friday night allegedly loses property (does not in my opinion despite what AL says in a documentary)
Works Sat morning says nothing to anyone about losing possessions.
Goes to party on Saturday night with close friends says nothing about losing possessions
Goes windsurfing on Sunday afternoon with friends says nothing about losing possessions
Goes to her parents house on Sunday night says nothing about losing possessions
Goes home allegedly speaks to AL (more likely called him from phone box at POW at 10.15pm and drops her stuff then)
Goes home does not see NB
Sees NB in the morning before going to work says nothing about losing possessions
Goes to work sees JC he says that she was "stressed" about losing possessions

There is no evidence or hint that she lost them before Sunday night, JC is 100% convinced she lost them Sunday night.

There is no other evidence that anything else happened but the narrative says she lost them Friday night on the steps of the POW

I would have issue with her probably loosing the items in the phone box at the POW.
We do know CV admits he found the items on his way to the takeway so he could have found those items anywhere between the POW and the takeaway. Im surprised DV didnt ask which takeaway but I guess he was more interested in where they were being held for collection.
If like a lot of Northern people CV he liked an Indian meal then Mossops Indian restaurant offered a takeaway service and is a short walk directly down the road from the POW. If he found the items on this rd it could be hugely important as there is an address along that short short distance that could be significant

MOO

 

[Pinkizzy]

I would have issue with her probably loosing the items in the phone box at the POW.
We do know CV admits he found the items on his way to the takeway so he could have found those items anywhere between the POW and the takeaway. Im surprised DV didnt ask which takeaway but I guess he was more interested in where they were being held for collection.
If like a lot of Northern people CV he liked an Indian meal then Mossops Indian restaurant offered a takeaway service and is a short walk directly down the road from the POW. If he found the items on this rd it could be hugely important as there is an address along that short short distance that could be significant

MOO

Which address is this?

 

[Cluesleuth]

Perhaps it was standard to bike them over? not sure

could you ask JC who was the other estate agent acting in sale purchase.. Its important

 

[Pinkizzy]

I reckon SL took her purse into the PoW and the killer replaced it in the car, surely there's residue from his glove on the purse or some of the contents

 

[Whitehall 1212]

Se


What about JC's fake plate, S396 SLP? Seriously? Is that what the case against him relies on? There's no evidence but it looks a bit like SJL's name?

Did he say anything more on the plate? Bristol area common prefix?

The false VRM found on SB's car was SLP386S.

A genuine VRM, with an 'S' suffix and an 'LP' LVLO identifier would relate to a vehicle registered between 1st August 1977 and 31st July 1978 at the London (North West) Local Vehicle Licencing Office.

I wonder how many vehicles over 10 years old that had been registered in London were floating around Bristol in late 1987? Cars weren't as reliable then, often got nicked and became rust buckets within a few years.

 

[WestLondoner]

On this house keys / car keys point, I would hazard a guess that if the staff borrowed each other's cars for various work errands, it looks less likely that SJL kept her house and car keys all on the same bunch. If the car key went astray, she can't get into her flat either.

The police broke her door down to get into her flat, so they obviously didn't find the keys in her bag back in the office. So either her keys were all on one fob, or she took her front door keys with her intending to swing by home; which again points to her heading to the area of the PoW.

 

[WestLondoner]

The false VRM found on SB's car was SLP386S.

A genuine VRM, with an 'S' suffix and an 'LP' LVLO identifier would relate to a vehicle registered between 1st August 1977 and 31st July 1978 at the London (North West) Local Vehicle Licencing Office.

I wonder how many vehicles over 10 years old that had been registered in London were floating around Bristol in late 1987? Cars weren't as reliable then, often got nicked and became rust buckets within a few years.

Shirley Banks' car was indeed a rust bucket, HWL 507N, so 13 or 14 years old. IIRC it was worth about £100 or £125. Cannan repainted it blue himself; my guess would be that, rather than SLP386S being some veiled reference to SJL, he just changed each character randomly.

I struggle with why he would leave clues to other crimes (or for that matter use his supposed - actually his later - prison nickname as an alias). The type of clues Cannan left were things like carrying the tax disc around or leaving DNA samples with the victims of his rapes, i.e. they evidence his deep stupidity more than his cunning. He has never been charged with three murders anyway.

 

[WestLondoner]

Actually, on the subject of cars, does any witness of a white Fiesta in Shorrolds Road relate the direction it was facing?

If SJL was parked in either Radipole or Whittingstall she would presumably head north, turn right into Bishop's Road, left into Hartismere and then right into Shorrolds. Hartismere crosses Shorrolds in the middle but 37 is in the eastern bit.

In other words she'd be facing east. If a white Fiesta were seen but facing west, it would suggest to me that this wasn't in fact SJL's car. For her to be outside or near 37SR but facing west, she would have had to take a longer, more roundabout route to a timed appointment, which seems a bit odd.