UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #3

[Cherwell]

I'm interested in 6D Wyfold Road, the crossed out address in SJL's diary. This was a first floor 1 bed flat with motor vehicle access at the rear into a secluded courtyard.

While I'm sure the police would have checked it out, that sounds like the perfect kind of place for an abductor to lure his prey to.

 

[ruby925]

Are you stating confirmed fact here?

I'm interested to know more about 6d Wyfold Road at the time. Was it for sale or rent? If so was it vacant possession? Did police thoroughly check it for any sign that SJL had been there?

"I guess" doesn't suggest any confirmed fact?

 

[Whitehall 1212]

While I'm sure the police would have checked it out, that sounds like the perfect kind of place for an abductor to lure his prey to.

Somewhat concerningly so.

The access to the rear courtyard is from Kingwood Road these days. I expect it wasn't gated in 1986. I suspect there was an access from Wyfold Road in 1986.....there is a small single level extension now, where the entrance would have been.

Wyfold Rd · Wyfold Rd, London SW6 6SJ, UK

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[Cherwell]

There's an entrance halfway along Wyfold Road .... it leads to the yard behind the next block of buildings along, but I can't see any space for parking behind the block that includes no 6. It seems to be small back yards without vehicular access.

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[Whitehall 1212]

There's an entrance halfway along Wyfold Road .... it leads to the yard behind the next block of buildings along, but I can't see any space for parking behind the block that includes no 6. It seems to be small back yards without vehicular access.

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Apparently these flats are Edwardian, so built early in the 20th century.

The newer flats you are looking at will have been of the same design as those where 6 is, before they were demolished and replaced, possibly since 1986.

See where the access to the back of the flats is in Kingwood Road, in my second link. There may be some separation now but I am certain it will have been open access in the past. I guess these were quite squalid flats.

 

[Cherwell]

I didn't realise the other flats were built post-1986.
I don't suppose there was much call for parking spaces in the Edwardian era

 

[Cluesleuth]

There's an entrance halfway along Wyfold Road .... it leads to the yard behind the next block of buildings along, but I can't see any space for parking behind the block that includes no 6. It seems to be small back yards without vehicular access.

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You are correct @Cherwell 6d Wyfold only has bin storage to the rear this can be seen clearly when you zoom in.

I think Wyfold may be imortant perhaps there was a change in location from Wyfold to Wardo they are close to each other.
My interest lies more in the Wardo Av area particularly on the junction of Munster road. The Cafe Plum and Olive Deli/Cafe which is an area mentioned in the JD murder.
Some members will be aware of my interest in that case and this one, the similarities of the people police sought to identify and also the streets, Fulham Palace rd, Bishops Prk, Stevenage rd feature in both crimes.

Cafe Plum is interesting because it sits at the entrance to units let for start up companies.
Olive Deli is also on the junction of Wardo and is opposite a BodyWorks beauty shop.
The mentioning of a cafe on the junction of Wardo and Munster rd in which an alledged sighting of the man (with thin moutache) that looked like the man that killed JD was seen may prove relevant. He would fit the description of the man with a moustache that was one of the two men the elderly lady saw sat in a large dark saloon car on Shorrolds road on the day Suzy disappeared.

Just going back to WJ for a moment in my opinion she looks very familiar to the female driver in the JD case she was tailgated by the Range Rover from the area of Gowan Av to Stevenage rd. The Range Rover pulling up opposite Fulham palace rd.
MOO

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[Pinkizzy]

Are you stating confirmed fact here?

I'm interested to know more about 6d Wyfold Road at the time. Was it for sale or rent? If so was it vacant possession? Did police thoroughly check it for any sign that SJL had been there?

The argument in the office is fact. SJL and the other negotiator may have had clients interested in the Wyfold flat but SJL had to let it go and crossed out the viewing

There's a Chestertons on the corner of Wyfold, this company bought the Sturgis branches.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

You are correct @Cherwell 6d Wyfold only has bin storage to the rear this can be seen clearly when you zoom in.

Although there is/was clearly vehicle access to the rear of these properties. We are concerned with the situation in 1986, rather than the one today.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

The argument in the office is fact. SJL and the other negotiator may have had clients interested in the Wyfold flat but SJL had to let it go and crossed out the viewing

There's a Chestertons on the corner of Wyfold, this company bought the Sturgis branches.

If it's fact can you please add the link to the MSM then.

 

[WestLondoner]

Additional info on JCs wiki

A possible involvement in the murder of Melanie Hall, who disappeared in 1996, was suggested by police in October 2009, following the discovery of her remains. Cannan discussed the "perfect abduction" with fellow prisoner Christopher Clark, a rapist who was jailed for life for attacking another woman, a month after being interviewed over Hall's disappearance.[25]

Inexplicably, although Cannan was in prison at the time of Hall's abduction and murder, some witnesses came forward to say they were certain that Cannan was the man they had seen abducting Hall that night.

If that's not proof of the power of suggestion, I don't know what is.

These people should have been asked if they could also remember seeing JC in a BMW in Fulham ten years earlier. Probably they would all have seen that, too.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

The argument in the office is fact. SJL and the other negotiator may have had clients interested in the Wyfold flat but SJL had to let it go and crossed out the viewing

There's a Chestertons on the corner of Wyfold, this company bought the Sturgis branches.

The entry for Wyfold Road was not entered as a viewing.....top of page, no time, no client named

I'd very much like to know why it was written.

 

[Konstantin]

Are you stating confirmed fact here?

DV interviewed MG and another of SJL's colleagues whose name escapes me and I don't have my kindle to hand, but I know others on here will know who it was.

Anyway he was the one who was in a relationship with SF at the time. He told DV that he and SJL had had an argument that morning relating to the sale of a property over the weekend, as both his and SJL's clients (different people) had submitted an offer and so he and SJL were duking it out verbally over which client would be awarded the win and the purchase. At stake was commission of course.

The colleague said it was sad that his last interaction with SJL was this but also that these things did happen in that environment, as it was competitive and sales driven. He described the monday morning that SJL went missing as a "big Monday morning" probably because of these important sales.

We don't know which property was involved as the colleague did not report that.

However, DV uses this incident to add fuel to his hypothesis that SJL made up the Kipper apointment in order to duck out of the office that lunchtime as at the time, the colleague and SF his girlfriend who was junior to her, had gone for lunch and a fee earner was meant to be present at all times, ergo according to DV SJL had to make the appointment up or she'd be forced to stay in that lunchtime waiting for the colleague and SF to return.

However his theory presupposes that the POW errand could not wait and SJL was OK with risking pissing off her employers on a fake errand which she had not done before.

 

[Konstantin]

The entry for Wyfold Road was not entered as a viewing.....top of page, no time, no client named

I'd very much like to know why it was written.

my guess as a reminder to her to arrange to have the contract biked over to the vendor/ buyer/ solicitor

 

[asyousay]

DV interviewed MG and another of SJL's colleagues whose name escapes me and I don't have my kindle to hand, but I know others on here will know who it was.

Anyway he was the one who was in a relationship with SF at the time. He told DV that he and SJL had had an argument that morning relating to the sale of a property over the weekend, as both his and SJL's clients (different people) had submitted an offer and so he and SJL were duking it out verbally over which client would be awarded the win and the purchase. At stake was commission of course.

The colleague said it was sad that his last interaction with SJL was this but also that these things did happen in that environment, as it was competitive and sales driven. He described the monday morning that SJL went missing as a "big Monday morning" probably because of these important sales.

We don't know which property was involved as the colleague did not report that.

However, DV uses this incident to add fuel to his hypothesis that SJL made up the Kipper apointment in order to duck out of the office that lunchtime as at the time, the colleague and SF his girlfriend who was junior to her, had gone for lunch and a fee earner was meant to be present at all times, ergo according to DV SJL had to make the appointment up or she'd be forced to stay in that lunchtime waiting for the colleague and SF to return.

However his theory presupposes that the POW errand could not wait and SJL was OK with risking pissing off her employers on a fake errand which she had not done before.

On the other hand this could point to Suzy wanting to get out there and get a sale after losing out that morning. So she gets a spur of the moment appointment and has a bee in her bonnet. We know it’s a cut throat environment and she wouldn’t of been happy about losing out.

MOO

 

[Whitehall 1212]

my guess as a reminder to her to arrange to have the contract biked over to the vendor/ buyer/ solicitor

Yes, I considered that as it's written above Wardo, which had such an instruction, although I think it says "take contract"....a previous discussion.

It's just one of the matters that really needs to have been eliminated after suitable enquiries.

 

[Pinkizzy]

If it's fact can you please add the link to the MSM then.

It's written in DV's book, the one you haven't read yet.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

It's written in DV's book, the one you haven't read yet.

DV and fact seem to be anathema.

He wants to be a serious 'investigative journalist' yet he manipulates his witness interviews to suit his narrative and is therefore not one who can be relied upon to report unadulterated fact.

It's also relevant that he has written more so called 'crime thrillers'....add 'Finding Suzy' to that genre

Trust him at your peril.

 

[Cherwell]

However his theory presupposes that the POW errand could not wait and SJL was OK with risking pissing off her employers on a fake errand which she had not done before.

She could have gone to the PoW at any time that evening since it was near her flat. There was no urgency as she knew that her items were safe, and people there had already had the opportunity to read the diary contents, if that was a concern.

However she might have had another personal reason for going out of the office.

 

[Cluesleuth]

I believe she did go to Shorrolds. I think the SJL's Fiesta was one of the sighting of 2 Fiestas on Shorrolds.
The 2 men (one with a moustache) sitting motionless in a parked dark saloon by the elderly lady returning to her parked red volvo is correct and relevant to the crime.
HR's photo id will turn out to near to spot on.
The 2nd photo id will also be relevant to the abduction bearing in mind that JI's said his hair was longer(collar length) this either relates to the 2nd man or a third man which I think is likely.
My interest in Wardo Av, Munster rd area is that I think its familiar to group who carried it out the abduction, as the male with moustache was said to have been seen in a cafe there in the JD case perhaps it was where some of the group met or one of the group did live in the area like Wardo Av.


Was she taken on Shorrolds? Without the fly in the ointment BW's sighting I would say it was highly likely.
Did she get in a car with Kipper after the 37SR viewing again highly likely.
I think there is some truth in the HR's initial account, this later changed because he had been 'got at' by looking out the window he had seen Kipper and was able to identify him.


If I put an estate agents head on I wonder if at the viewing Kipper had proposed a deal regarding other another property or multi properties still under construction which could be the reason SJL would have gone with him.
If the Bristol businessman is in construction this would tie in, but its just as likely she went with him in his vehicle under a ruse to discuss business over a lunch somewhere.

The police have done a lot of the leg work for us the only thing I would question is that Canann is Kipper.

these are just my opinion like everyone Im just trying to make sense of it all