UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #4

[Pinkizzy]

Dbm

 

[Terryb808]

The parking ticket arguably puts Cannan’s car in Bournemouth but not necessarily Cannan.

The reason he hasn't been named as only suspect is probably because, as SC's body was found, the case is a lot less mysterious and lower profile. More people are intrigued by what happened to SJL than SC.

Shame really because they’re all important and they’d probably have had a better chance of a conviction with SC than SJL.

 

[Cluesleuth]

Isnt there a photo of SJL and AL wearing an army type jacket?

Not that Im aware of but some of her friends have military family backgrounds.
DH' father was a retired Indian Army Officer, and SJL did attend Military Balls.

 

[Cherwell]

There's reason to think that Sandra was killed by someone local, and that it was unintended.

Letter could bring justice 22 years later

Sandra Court was found strangled in a water-filled ditch in 1986 ¨C but police are still determined to catch her killer and believe an anonymous…

www.dailyecho.co.uk

Det Supt Alan Rose received a poignant letter with the Southampton postmark on May 16.

The writing was plain, the words simple. It claimed Sandra's death had not been deliberate.

It read: Dear sir, I am writing to tell you that the tragic death of Sandra Court was a complete and utter accident, in no form is the person a killer or murderer. The person concerned is deeply unhappy, hurt and in total shock. The only reason the person has not come forward is the fact of being afraid that their explanation will not be believed. Please I beg take this letter to be of the truth.

The claim was later repeated in a telephone call to the BBCs Crimewatch programmeafter a TV reconstruction of her last movements.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Perhaps her body wasnt buried there are other ways to dispose of a body.

Many ways, most especially if it’s premeditated and thought out as opposed to some form of frenzied incident, for example Dennis Nilsen would not ever have been caught were it not for a piece of scalp with hair attached blocking a drain discovered by a plumber and alerted. He was far from well organised and didn’t even have resources such as a vehicle or privacy. He lived in an upstairs rented flat in a terraced street and had all manner of setbacks.

 

[Terryb808]

There's reason to think that Sandra was killed by someone local, and that it was unintended.

Letter could bring justice 22 years later

Sandra Court was found strangled in a water-filled ditch in 1986 ¨C but police are still determined to catch her killer and believe an anonymous…

www.dailyecho.co.uk

It goes to show that people too easily jump on the JC did it band wagon. One newspaper printed an article saying that Sandra Courts DNA was in the Ford Sierra JC used back in 86. It then said it was the partial sample of DNA found could match both SC & SJL, so not very compelling.
IMO JC is not a serial killer, he likely killed just once, and was a very disorganised criminal who could not be responsible for SJL’s disappearance.

 

[Crusader21]

Latest SC info here ...

Sandra Court Unsolved Murder

An Update from an informant

lolly-truecrime.medium.com

 

[WestLondoner]

Dennis Nilsen is interesting partly because he was an ex police officer himself, and partly because his existence as a serial killer was unsuspected by his ex colleagues until he was caught. Before then he targeted mainly runaways and others who wouldn't be missed. As a result, nobody was looking for him, nobody was warned against him and it remains unknown how many people he actually killed. If you want to murder people undetected this is clearly a good way to go about it.

 

[WestLondoner]

It goes to show that people too easily jump on the JC did it band wagon. One newspaper printed an article saying that Sandra Courts DNA was in the Ford Sierra JC used back in 86. It then said it was the partial sample of DNA found could match both SC & SJL, so not very compelling.
IMO JC is not a serial killer, he likely killed just once, and was a very disorganised criminal who could not be responsible for SJL’s disappearance.

Somebody scratched my car in 1986 and I am personally confident it was JC.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Dennis Nilsen is interesting partly because he was an ex police officer himself, and partly because his existence as a serial killer was unsuspected by his ex colleagues until he was caught. Before then he targeted mainly runaways and others who wouldn't be missed. As a result, nobody was looking for him, nobody was warned against him and it remains unknown how many people he actually killed. If you want to murder people undetected this is clearly a good way to go about it.

I think in terms of then versus now, the thing that killers like Nilsen, the Camden Ripper etc, had in their favour was no cctv, no mobile phone networks, and also targeting vulnerable people who may not be missed quickly and didn't have friends or family to keep pushing and / or whom the police had zero interest in detecting what happened to them anyhow. SJL had a lot of influential and effective people fighting her corner and was missed immediately.

However, in terms of whether crimes are detected because of the killer being super effective in disposing of a body, even the most far out and reckless get away with it. Look at the recent guy who had his wife in the septic tank in his own garden for 40 years.

Also, even a guy who Nilsen tried to murder but got away was not believed by the police when he did report it! (Carl Stotter) He was diagnosed as having schizophrenia and medicated. Maybe the police were looking after their own? Nobody ever mentioned him being a copper and I lived very close to the street he lived at, I've even read books about him, they would always say he worked for the DSS. Carl changed his name (and even gender IIRC), moved out of London, but never got over what happened, and took his own life a few years ago.

Escaping Dennis Nilsen: how Carl Stottor evaded serial killer

Carl David Stottor, who changed his identity after the attack and is believed to have recently died, was just 21 when he agreed to go back to Dennis Nilsen's flat in May 1982.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[WestLondoner]

He decided to join the Metropolitan Police, and moved to London in December to begin the training course.[37]

Move to London[edit]​

Employment[edit]​

In April 1973, Nilsen completed his police training and was posted to Willesden Green. Still a cadet and junior constable, he performed several arrests...In August, following a failed relationship, Nilsen came to the conclusion that his personal lifestyle was at odds with his job. His birth father died the same month, leaving each of his three children £1,000. In December, Nilsen resigned from the police.

wikipedia

I would have thought that even in 1970-odd, there would have been psychometric tests or similar to weed people like Nilsen out at the application stage. Either there weren't, or he passed them and his personality did not look like a poor fit for the police.

 

[Crusader21]

Has anyone any links / proof that Steven Wright (a) resided in London July 1986, (b) was off-shore also at that time?

The Ipswich Ripper and Suffolk Strangler

Five sex workers killed in three months

medium.com

 

[ruby925]

Has anyone any links / proof that Steven Wright (a) resided in London July 1986, (b) was off-shore also at that time?

The Ipswich Ripper and Suffolk Strangler

Five sex workers killed in three months

medium.com

Does this count as MSM? His ex wife mentions in this article he was on shore leave at the time in 1986

The ex-wife's story: My violent life with the Suffolk strangler- and

The decks of the QE2 were crowded but steward Steve Wright hardly seemed to notice as he focused on the beautiful young girl beside him.

www.standard.co.uk

 

[Crusader21]

I wonder was Wright's contact details in SLs 'lost' diary?

 

[WestLondoner]

It's a completely qualitative and subjective opinion on my part but looking at Wright he does not look like SJL's type at all. SJL was a hypergamous "yuppie" - "Young Upwardly-mobile Professional", in the parlance of the day - whereas Wright had to use prostitutes, drove a folklift and looks like a lout - too ugly and too blue collar for SJL, I would say. He'd be interested in her, she'd not have been interested in him.

 

[asyousay]

It's a completely qualitative and subjective opinion on my part but looking at Wright he does not look like SJL's type at all. SJL was a hypergamous "yuppie" - "Young Upwardly-mobile Professional", in the parlance of the day - whereas Wright had to use prostitutes, drove a folklift and looks like a lout - too ugly and too blue collar for SJL, I would say. He'd be interested in her, she'd not have been interested in him.

Words like Upwardly-mobile just makes me think of good old Del Boy

 

[WestLondoner]

Words like Upwardly-mobile just makes me think of good old Del Boy

I used to use it all the time, along with 'let me see if I can find you a window'....

 

[RichardKimble]

It's a completely qualitative and subjective opinion on my part but looking at Wright he does not look like SJL's type at all. SJL was a hypergamous "yuppie" - "Young Upwardly-mobile Professional", in the parlance of the day - whereas Wright had to use prostitutes, drove a folklift and looks like a lout - too ugly and too blue collar for SJL, I would say. He'd be interested in her, she'd not have been interested in him.

Cannan didn't ?

 

[WestLondoner]

Cannan sometimes scrubbed up OK apparently if you liked that sort of thing. Wright didn't scrub up.

I am baffled by the idea that he was attractive though. To me he always looked like a petulant bellend.

 

[WestLondoner]

The detail about Cannan that amuses me is that he realised his monobrow was distinctive so in a cunning attempt to disguise it he shaved between his eyebrows. Unfortunately, being a total klutz, he managed to cut himself doing so. I'm not sure if this was before he committed the perfect crime in Fulham, or after.