UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #4

[RichardKimble]

Someone highlighted that SJL may have gone into a property and never came out, in this case the perpetrator would need to move her car to avoid it being seen outside his house.

POW ? Was the Fiesta ever parked in Shorrolds RD ? or reports of.

 

[Cluesleuth]

So, the perpetrator must have had time in his hurried abandonment of her car to wipe it clean, I know they could have & probably did wear gloves. JC used to carry a pair of cotton gloves, which are ideal for purpose of wiping away any evidence. He also took time to wipe over the seats to remove any fibers, he may have been inept, but he knew how to make tracing him extremely difficult.

If he had time to wipe the the car clean why wouldnt he have put the handbrake on he could have easily wiped that too.

 

[RichardKimble]

If he had time to wipe the the car clean why wouldnt he have put the handbrake on he could have easily wiped that too.

If you're calm/savvy enough to know the car parked elsewhere could lead the police to you, then parking the car calmly ensuring it was clean of evidence would include the handbrake imo .

 

[Cluesleuth]

If WJ is correct and the police’s original conclusion (that SJL’s car was there from 12.59pm onwards) the location SJL went to could not have been more that 5 minutes drive away.

Can I just question the 12.59pm?

WJ took her dog for a brief walk at 12.40.(AS book)

after the walk as she went to call for AM her neighbour she noticed the fiesta parked partly blocking the Mahons garage.

At the bank AM glanced at the clock it read 12.49 police checked the clock and found it to be accurate.
This points to the Fiesta being parked on Stevenage before 12.59pm

JMO

 

[asyousay]

Can I just question the 12.59pm?

WJ took her dog for a brief walk at 12.40.(AS book)

after the walk as she went to call for AM her neighbour she noticed the fiesta parked partly blocking the Mahons garage.

At the bank AM glanced at the clock it read 12.49 police checked the clock and found it to be accurate.
This points to the Fiesta being parked on Stevenage before 12.59pm

JMO

Which doesn’t fit the time line and nobody else claims they saw it that early.


That means she went straight to Stevenage Road why would she of done that?

 

[WestLondoner]

If he had time to wipe the the car clean why wouldnt he have put the handbrake on he could have easily wiped that too.

ISTR the car showed no signs of having been wiped down, or did it? Wiping it down would tell investigators that there would otherwise have been a set of prints that didn't belong there - yours - and that needed to be got rid of. Not wiping it down would leave all existing prints in place; AFAIK many were found, all were checked and none were unaccounted for, i.e. none belonged to anyone who hadn't legitimately been in the car.

Wearing gloves would mean you didn't need to wipe it down, so you wouldn't. Ergo, the car was driven to 123SR either by someone wearing gloves who left no prints; or, by someone who had previously been in the car, left prints, but could point to previous circumstances that explained them; and in either case by someone who was sixish feet tall.

 

[WestLondoner]

This points to the Fiesta being parked on Stevenage before 12.59pm

Agree with one small but significant edit: I would say - "this points to a Fiesta being parked on Stevenage before 12.59pm". a, not the. Could have been a different Fiesta, and definitely was unless - as @ asyousay points out - SJL went straight to 123SR.

 

[Cherwell]

Spot on with this analysis, this is why it’s so important to determine if possible exactly when SJL’s car appeared in Stevenage Road.

If WJ is correct and the police’s original conclusion (that SJL’s car was there from 12.59pm onwards) the location SJL went to could not have been more that 5 minutes drive away.

The later the car appears in Stevenage Road the greater the distance SJL could have been away from Stevenage Road.

Your analysis fits (IMO) for example the PoW & 54 Shorrolds Road. Both places you could go into, have not been noticed doing so and would need rapid movement of the car pretty much essential.

I would tend to favour a private house over the PoW, no need to be concerned over someone finding a body while you get rid of the car.

If she had gone to the Prince of Wales then her car would have been close to her home. Assuming the perpetrator knew where she lived, the smart move would have been to park the car in Disraeli Road which would have only taken a few minutes at most.

 

[WestLondoner]

If the perp was the one who was sending flowers to her home address, then he did know where she lived. Parking her car there would have suggested she had gone home for some reason, or been abducted from there, either of which would indeed have been helpful blind alleys. If her mother was to be believed (far from certain), she needed to go home for her tennis gear.

In either case, Disraeli Road or Stevenage, the question arises of where the perp went from there after ditching the car. Everything about what happened outside 123SR is inconclusive - when the car appeared, who was around, and so on.

 

[asyousay]

If the perp was the one who was sending flowers to her home address, then he did know where she lived. Parking her car there would have suggested she had gone home for some reason, or been abducted from there, either of which would indeed have been helpful blind alleys. If her mother was to be believed (far from certain), she needed to go home for her tennis gear.

In either case, Disraeli Road or Stevenage, the question arises of where the perp went from there after ditching the car. Everything about what happened outside 123SR is inconclusive - when the car appeared, who was around, and so on.

The car to me almost suggests a second person. Where is Suzy when the car is being ditched if there isn’t a 2nd person involved?

Unless it is Suzy with a mystery man going towards Hammersmith but then you still need to kill her and drive back and then pick up another vehicle to get back to wherever you came from.

I maintain no killer is going to use public transport to make a get away.

MOOOOO

 

[Cherwell]

I maintain no killer is going to use public transport to make a get away.

Back then with little if any CCTV it would have been perfectly feasible.
Looks like quite a walk to the nearest tube station from Stevenage Road though - I guess he might have hopped on a bus sooner. There's a bus stop almost opposite where the Fiesta was parked (of course I don't know if it was there in 1986).
Might he have seen a bus coming and that accounted for leaving the car in such a hurry?

 

[asyousay]

Back then with little if any CCTV it would have been perfectly feasible.
Looks like quite a walk to the nearest tube station from Stevenage Road though - I guess he might have hopped on a bus sooner. There's a bus stop almost opposite where the Fiesta was parked (of course I don't know if it was there in 1986).
Might he have seen a bus coming and that accounted for leaving the car in such a hurry?

Was Nuffield Health Fulham gym there opposite back then?

 

[Cluesleuth]

I wouldnt rule out the pertrator using public transport/taxi cab as a means of fleeing a location.

The practice is well used by criminals in 2019 the gang of burglars who stole Tamara Ecclestons jewellery used just such a means to escape the scene with million of dollars worth of jewellery. Excellent documentary by the way.
MOO

 

[Cherwell]

Was Nuffield Health Fulham gym there opposite back then?

I doubt it, but there must have been a bus route along Stevenage Road because of Fulham FC. So there was probably a bus stop in the vicinity.

 

[Cluesleuth]

I doubt it, but there must have been a bus route along Stevenage Road because of Fulham FC. So there was probably a bus stop in the vicinity.

Google street walk only shows to 2008 .. Bus stop outside Nuffield Heath

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2 taxi cabs were mentioned in the case
1. A taxi cab driver that lived nearby saw a the Fiesta at 2.00pm on Stevenage rd
2. A man resembling James Galway hailed a taxi cab on the junction of Finlay rd- no time given

 

[Terryb808]

POW ? Was the Fiesta ever parked in Shorrolds RD ? or reports of.

Funnily enough I just read an old newspaper article quoting the police line of theory & fact.
It said there was no witness sightings of SJL’s car in Shorrolds Road. It was an early article, so IMO accurate.

 

[Terryb808]

Can I just question the 12.59pm?

WJ took her dog for a brief walk at 12.40.(AS book)

after the walk as she went to call for AM her neighbour she noticed the fiesta parked partly blocking the Mahons garage.

At the bank AM glanced at the clock it read 12.49 police checked the clock and found it to be accurate.
This points to the Fiesta being parked on Stevenage before 12.59pm

JMO

It said in AS 12.50pm, my mistype.

 

[Cluesleuth]

Funnily enough I just read an old newspaper article quoting the police line of theory & fact.
It said there was no witness sightings of SJL’s car in Shorrolds Road. It was an early article, so IMO accurate.

Crimewatch Oct 1986 programme says the same..

Yet AS book pg 77 says Richard Turner a 30 yr old business man and car enthusiast was an exception he told detectives that he had driven up Shorrolds rd betweeteen 1230 and 1.00pm the day Susannahh went missing . Cars were parked both sides of the road he said, but he remembers in particular three cars thatwere double parked . One was a white ford fiesta and another a navy blue BMW a model from the early to mid 197's he thought one similar to a BMW 518 with 4 doors. It was parked almost outside 37 and someway behind it was another white ford fiesta, possibly with someone sitting in it.

not sure about you but makes me wonder what on earths going on!

Has there ever been a police website page for Suzy Lamplugh documenting the timeline and other known facts?

 

[WestLondoner]

The very early Sun and Guardian articles that I posted upthread about the disappearance give pretty consistent accounts of what was thought to have happened. Both suggested she had driven away in her car with a passenger. Given the timing of the prezzer and the articles, these have to have been based on HR's account, which was a big part of why there even was a press conference. The Sun's a rag obviously, but I see no reason to think it reported this one inaccurately when the facts rehearsed are the same as those in the Grauniad.

This premature rush to publicity was IMHO the key reason the investigation has failed. Once it was cemented into the public mind that there was a Mr Kipper and he was the abductor, not only was there an influx of coached "sightings" repeating the same account, but there was also a dearth of conflicting sightings suggesting anything else. Nobody was going to come forward to say they saw a blonde park a Fiesta two miles away, go into a pub, and never leave, because they've had it officially on the telly that this can't have been her. BW knew and thought she saw SJL, but it was the wrong place and the wrong time. So reasons were found not to explain this sighting, but to explain it away; her account was then discarded.

From this point on there would have been huge loss of face in admitting error, or that no viewing or Mr Kipper appointment had happened. It would have been far, far preferable instead to find someone who could be fitted into the settled Mr Kipper narrative.

 

[asyousay]

The problem I have is loads of people in missing persons cases report sightings 100’s of miles away.

So why would that be any different in this case?



Just because the police believe a theory doesn’t mean they would have not followed up on other leads if people claim they saw her shopping In Sheffield the following day. If they saw her sitting in a pub in Putney again they would follow up that lead. We have multiple witnesses who say they saw her at SR that afternoon which ties in with the diary entry. The public are always over eager to help in cases like this. So the fact no other positive matches were found likely means she vanished after SR.


Moo