UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #8

  • #81
My theory of everything -

1. SL is a vivacious intelligent beautiful young 25 year old in 1986 - with the world at her feet and dreams of success and happiness in her eyes. She comes from a supportive family and friends circle.
2. Her parents did not want her settling for her first ever boyfriend before 'seeing what's out there' and encouraged her work on the ship cruise to get her some perspective.
3. She falls in love with boyfriend no 2 on cruise working in close quarters, this relationship grows distant however , after she is back on land in Putney.
4. She works as beautician and makes another circle of friends in that profession.
5. She then in the mid 80s finds that she is successful at her job in the estate agency business. she is dating the person labelled her BF circa 1986 (A - forget surname).
6. She falls in love perhaps naively , perhaps impulsively, certainly unfortunately, with a married man in her circle of friends ( yes, we do have a theory on this thread who that could be, but no evidence so wont name, not even initials)
7. During her bf's few weeks away, she decides to break it off when he gets back.
8 She does this on the Friday evening.
9. One of the BF's well-meaning friends, work to get her diary off her, to see the why behind the break up and if there is one or more mystery other men behind it - it is just a peek in her diary at this point, by an acquaintance, hardly a national news level crime.
10. The diary is obtained, the intensity of the affair with the married man is noted and his identity confirmed from SLs own writings.
11. On or by the Sunday, one of the ppl the diary has been passed on to from SLs circle of friends, passes the diary on to the wife of the married man. SL is a friend of the wife too, perhaps, but maybe not).
12. The wife's emotional response, is to deface the diary or the pages where her Husband is written about , exclaiming how her trust has been betrayed and the hurt and anger and shock she feels. More so, if SL was a close friend and was trusted.
13. After the diary has been placed back at the POW, where it was taken from by the sunday - said wife has a change of heart and wants to confront SL in person and catch her off guard to see her reaction and get the full truth , IMO. It seems too coincidental , or chancey, that the diary would be placed on the steps hoping the new bartender would find it and call SL to return it (could just as well have taken the cheque book and thrown away the diary etc , how could 'they' know for sure how he might react even as regulars at POW they could only have known him three weeks) - I believe that the Boyfriends friends or the wife , or both took the POW manager into confidence that they wanted the diary of this 'scarlett woman' given back to her to let her know she has been outed. Manager agrees to return diary back, no crime has been committed at this point , its all cool
14. Sunday night , wife confronts married man and has it out. MM (married man) apologises and begs to be given another chance ? Wife wavers but still wants to have it all out in the open. She calls SL to meet up , SL cannot meet on the Monday , maybe later in the week or weekend is discussed as a possibility.
15. Monday morning, MM says SL means nothing, wife says I need you to look her in the eye and tell her that, with me there with you. MM calls SL , asks her to meet close to lunchtime. SL agrees and asks him to come to the vacant house noted in her 1245 diary appointment as it is too short notice to ask for a long lunch hour instead of the usual desk food for lunch.
16. SL meanwhile gets call from POW asking her to come claim her stuff, says she will swing by evening.
17. SL does something she usually would never do and makes up a client to view the house - the first name that springs to mind when she notes the address is her ex Haddock who lives on the same street therefore prompting another fish related name.
18. She meets MM outside 37 SR but realises she has forgotten the keys in all the chaos of that morning - the missing personal diary that has turned up that she hopes no one read, the unusual tone of MMs call to her to meet asap etc. Wife is in his car outside out of SLs view by lying down backseat.
19. He asks her to come to the park they meet at sometimes - near the Stevenege address, she parks near the house for sale by her work , almost subconsciously. She has picked up on the tension in MM, and feels it is ending and possibly that it may be someone read her diary and told the wife , guilt + fear + anxiety + confusion = haphazard distracted parking?
20. Before she turns up at 12.45 at 37 SR and sees MM, he and wife wonder if she might pick up the diary first, see the defaced page and know that they know. Which then changes things as she will have her guard up and may not meet him completely unaware he has a livid wife beside him whom he desperately needs to now prove to that SL means nothing to him and is the 'bad guy' in this betrayal (she seduced me blah blah). they call POW and ask if she has picked up diary yet etc.
21. what begins as a heated conversation at the park , escalates - and one of the couple knock her out when emotions run high - how well can we expect a 25 year old to handle this situation compassionately, esp if she was the one seduced by a much older perhaps man. SL gets hurt falling down when slapped or whatever. They put her in their car, and drive her away.
22. They do away with her when she threatens to call the police for injury caused as soon as she regains consciousness or similar. They cant risk their kids futures , they do away with her and bury her somewhere on the quiet, no CCTVs back then - police get their alibi for the day (with each other?) but do not track their movements in the days thereafter ?
23. It is possible a number of her friends know about the diary, the secret, and some pages were removed that day as they were implicated in the theft of the diary that unintentionally led to her downfall when all that was intended was a moral vigilante against married affairs (or similar)
24. The POW manager may be partly in the know and paid/reasoned with - explaining there were small kids in the picture that would be effectively orphaned if their parents were put away .
25. Eventually the secret was too big for the marriage to survive much longer?

The reason no 'one' was found out was so many ppl were involved in the outing of the affair portion of it and helped cover it up to hide their part in it - they felt culpable ? A cover up by those who convinced themselves they were on the side of right ?

All the above my (and a few others on here) MOO/JMO - playing devil's advocate in the LE theory - which would be the occam razor to the above theory ? Also I can see the flaw - LE would have said if pages in the recovered diary were torn out or defaced or revealed the MMs identity as he would have been automatically POIed.
I think you have some good points in your summary. JMO/IMO I agree there is alot more to the couples story than has ever been fully investigated ( as per other posts this is probably likely because they were warned off by lawyers - otherwise the DV book/investigation likely would have featured them)

I think the JC Sierra DNA scenario is crap TBH otherwise there would have been a whole lot more analysis and media reporting around it .

Then there is all the media articles from 2023 about the fingerprint on the mirror and 'growing DNA'- well its now 2025 whats going on with that??

I still wish they would dredge that canal one last time as well and put that to rest once and for all either way.
 
  • #82
The DNA "evidence" in the Ford Sierra is only a claim by "criminologist" Christopher Berry-Dee.

“He was in a halfway house at the time, on day release from a bail hostel, and was driving a red Ford Sierra car.

“I believe that was the car that Suzy Lamplugh was later abducted in. We went through all the evidence with detectives, and wondered if there could be trace evidence in that car linking her to her killer.

“They found the car when the case was re-opened in 2000, and I understand they did find trace evidence of both Cannan and Suzy Lamplugh.

“That proves they had both been in the car at some point in their lives."


Like David Videcette, Berry-Dee has to make a mountain out of a molehill because he has a book to sell. Or - shock horror - maybe even make stuff up.
 
  • #83
Who got the money from the sale of the flat - did she have a will in place (unlikely , but worth checking ?)
her parents diana and paul found a buyer a couple of months after suzy disappeared. they put her share in her account, but she was never seen again.
 
  • #84
Just reading Finding Suzy now (have already read the AS book) and I cant quite understand why the author DV is so upset when Police decide to search JCs house

To me it feels like he had made up his mind that it was not JC from the go and had decided to formulate an alternate theory - not saying that makes his theory wrong, just that I wish he had gone into it with a more objective open mind to just look at the evidence as it was ...all said and done, JC did it makes more common sense than the bar manager at POW did it theory
 
  • #85
Re the DNA claim - is there any written word on this (ie news articles or anything?) Does anyone know when this surfaced?

According to Wiki it’s in Christopher Berry-Dee’s book about Cannan, which I confess I’ve not read. If the Met had anything that could link Cannan to Suzy they’d be shouting it from the rooftops imo, it’s also interesting I think that whereas the media are usually happy to repeat the dubious claim that Cannan’s prison nickname was Kipper for instance, they seem very reluctant to regurgitate CBD’s ‘evidence’ regarding the DNA - I get the feeling it’s widely accepted as being completely unreliable.
 
  • #86
I think DV felt the search was undertaken after the Met got wind of his investigation, which seems a bit far fetched but at the same time what possible new evidence could’ve come to light to prompt them to search the property at that particular time? It definitely had the air of a stunt, an act of posturing, imo.
 
  • #87
Yeah true ....oh Finding suzy got real interesting at the halfway mark...the temp manager at POWs wife refusing to talk to them ......really intriguing .....did LE look into this theory post the book's publication.....
 
  • #88
Just reading Finding Suzy now (have already read the AS book) and I cant quite understand why the author DV is so upset when Police decide to search JCs house

To me it feels like he had made up his mind that it was not JC from the go and had decided to formulate an alternate theory - not saying that makes his theory wrong, just that I wish he had gone into it with a more objective open mind to just look at the evidence as it was ...all said and done, JC did it makes more common sense than the bar manager at POW did it theory
i agree. DV did not have access to the original case files like AS did. his own investigation was 30 yrs later, and people change there statements later on. like you say he is not objective with an open mind.
 
  • #89
Yeah true ....oh Finding suzy got real interesting at the halfway mark...the temp manager at POWs wife refusing to talk to them ......really intriguing .....did LE look into this theory post the book's publication.....
yes, not wanting to confirm anything. i dont understand how people can be so hostile when your trying to get results in a case.
 
  • #90
Hi

I've just joined this forum. I like many here, have been fascinated by this case, since it happened in July 1986. I was on holiday in Majorca at the time, and remember reading the newspaper headline saying 'Kidnap' it was the times, where you could get the UK papers, but it would be a day later. I just find it an incredibly sad business, that she was never found, and justice really never done. Can't believe it's been nearly 40 years. Really enjoyed reading all of these threads. Would be great if there was a result in the end, despite the time that has gone.
 
  • #91
Hi

I've just joined this forum. I like many here, have been fascinated by this case, since it happened in July 1986. I was on holiday in Majorca at the time, and remember reading the newspaper headline saying 'Kidnap' it was the times, where you could get the UK papers, but it would be a day later. I just find it an incredibly sad business, that she was never found, and justice really never done. Can't believe it's been nearly 40 years. Really enjoyed reading all of these threads. Would be great if there was a result in the end, despite the time that has gone.
Welcome :) it is nice to have you here!
 
  • #92
Hi

I've just joined this forum. I like many here, have been fascinated by this case, since it happened in July 1986. I was on holiday in Majorca at the time, and remember reading the newspaper headline saying 'Kidnap' it was the times, where you could get the UK papers, but it would be a day later. I just find it an incredibly sad business, that she was never found, and justice really never done. Can't believe it's been nearly 40 years. Really enjoyed reading all of these threads. Would be great if there was a result in the end, despite the time that has gone.
I have lain awake wondering where all the lost ppl in the world like Madeline and Suzy are ...and sadly came to the conclusion that burning the body to ashes and then throwing away the bones into landfill trash bins ...or something like that, can make the remains untraceable ....I think disgustingly one of the suspects in MM case or their friend had said something like the body was fed to animals maybe (rumor) .......

without a body a murder case is sometimes unsolvable , maybe we do need tags put on us by the government implanted in us , for safety reasons - but even then murderers would find a way perhaps....
 
  • #93
I am still on the TS line of thought as a possible theory. This is from the London Gazette 9/12/1986 (I have shortened the name to his initials only (as PSS was her hyphened name at the time and now she is PS)

Date of of filing 5th August 1986. Occupation (which I find very interesting BUILDER at 85 Elizabeth St in Belgravia) (Surname first)

S,T of Morlands, High Halden, Near Ashford, Kent, and lately residing and presently carrying onbusiness as a BUILDER at 85 Elizabeth Street, LondonS.W.I. Court—HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE. Date ofFiling Petition—5th August 1986. No. of Matter—2535of 1986. Date of Receiving Order—1st December 1986.No. of Receiving Order—2235. Whether Debtor's orCreditor's Petition-^-Creditor's. Act of Bankruptcy provedin Creditor's Petition—Section 1-1 (G) Bankruptcy Act1914.

Then- as per the London Gazette 29/5/1987- he looks like he has moved ( Westlondoner i think it was you that said PSS left him not long after SJL disappeared?)

S, T of 85 Elizabeth Street. London S.W.I, CONTRACT MANAGER and COMPANY DIRECTOR, lately residing at Flat 5, 11 Hyde Park Gardens, London W.2 and Marlands, High Halden, near Ashford, Kent, described in the Receiving Order as lately residing and presently carrying on business as a Builder at 85 Elizabeth Street, London S.W.I. Court—HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE. No. of Matter—2535 of 1986. Date of Order—15th April 1987. Date of Filing Petiing—5th August 1986.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/50741/page/15918/data.pdf

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/50932/page/7000/data.pdf

My lines of thought are

1. She ended up having an affair with him as a result of her friendship with PSS ( she gave them both facials according to AS and then drank wine), he wasnt happy about her apparent lunch date on the Tuesday with PSS (who knows - he could have been crapping himself that she might tell him about their affair and so made a plan to meet her on the Monday - now as a builder he would have no shortage of places he probably had access to that he may have been working on at the time.

2. He was the man that was 'leaning on her in ways that was unpleasant , wrong and she did not want to have any more to do with it- she was almost angry ' according to her uncle. So just putting it out there - was he using her real estate connections to get work as a builder ?

Having said that, having a Belgravia address does not indicate you are just the working class. (and no I have not watched the series ha ha) . He was likely highly geared ( probably PSS did not know this and hence she left the marriage with next to nothing)

This angle of SJLs life is really really odd IMO. Something I think has way more substance to it in terms of her disappearance than JC.
PSS and her husband must have been wealthy living in an area like mayfair. there house was just a couple of doors down from lord lucan flat. not where sandra rivett was killed, just around the corner. strange that there is a link between lucan case and lamplugh case, as in both of them were never seen again.
 
  • #94
PSS and her husband must have been wealthy living in an area like mayfair. there house was just a couple of doors down from lord lucan flat. not where sandra rivett was killed, just around the corner. strange that there is a link between lucan case and lamplugh case, as in both of them were never seen again.
Did someone say on this thread that he is now dead? I seem to remember reading something.
 
  • #95
PSS and her husband must have been wealthy living in an area like mayfair. there house was just a couple of doors down from lord lucan flat. not where sandra rivett was killed, just around the corner. strange that there is a link between lucan case and lamplugh case, as in both of them were never seen again.
A coincidence does not make a link.
 
  • #96
A coincidence does not make a link.
i did not mean there was a link. i meant a coincidence like you said.
 
  • #97
I won't link the article for obvious reasons but when PSS started writing for The People on June 15 2003 she had some interesting things to say about her life and loves.

""I understand what being a single mother is like, what it's like scraping for pennies and what it's like going through divorce. I also know what it's like to fight for your independence and climb the career ladder."

Readers with love problems will also benefit from her experiences dealing with male admirers. She dated Guy Ritchie in 1994 after they met at a karate club.

"He was a very funny man, extremely handsome and brilliant at karate," recalls black-belt holder Dr P**. "I used to love watching him because I was still learning.

"He was about eight years younger than me so he definitely goes for older women. We enjoyed a few dinner dates but kept them secret because our karate club was very gossipy and we did not want other members to know. On our third date we went to see Schindler's List. I was gob-smacked by the film and Guy was very moved by it too."

But the romance ended when her telly presenter pal Dale Winton introduced her to his agent **** - now Dr P**'s husband and stepdad to her children...

Another celebrity suitor was Anthony Hopkins. Dr P** says: "He was a member of the same gym as me. We used to chat on the treadmill and one day he suggested we meet for lunch.

"He was a great reader and very interested in psychology so we had a lot in common...

But life wasn't always so glamorous for Dr P**, who moved to England in 1977 to study psychology at the University of East London.

At 20, she discovered she was pregnant - a big shock to her father, a human biology professor, and mother, who has a masters degree in botany.

The baby's businessman father was 16 years older than Dr P**, already had two children and had only recently parted from his wife.

But Dr P** was head over heels in love. She says: "We had met in a wine bar near to where I lived and he was devastatingly handsome - a cross between Clint Eastwood and Julio Iglesias. I was swept off my feet.

"Our son *** was born a month prematurely. He was tiny, severely jaundiced and struggled to feed. Now he's a strapping 6ft 5in guy and we're incredibly close."

Despite having a baby to care for, the young mum graduated in 1981. She married her lover, becoming stepmother to his two sons, aged 15 and 10.

The couple had daughter ***** in 1984 but the marriage ended in a bitter divorce in 1992.

Dr P** reveals: "My husband was very jealous and controlling and I was deeply unhappy.

"I spent most of the marriage bringing up my children alone because he was never around. I was more like a single mum than a wife."

She considered moving back to America to be with her family but says: "My girlfriends kept me going. And I loved the UK - I did not want to leave behind bad memories."

She calls the next phase of her life the "baked bean years" when money was tight for the single mum.

"I'd cook enormous stews of baked beans, kidney beans and tinned tomatoes that kept us going for days," she says. "And I'd pop to the local market to buy complete outfits for the kids for less than a fiver.

"My ex hasn't paid maintenance since 1994 when he bought *** a pair of shoes. It was tough but brought us all closer together."

(My asterisks to shield certain people's identities)

PSS wrote in the Sun on 13 March 2018:

"I chose to have a year of celibacy in my late twenties.

I went through a painful split from my first husband and as I licked my wounds, having divorced on the grounds of his unreasonable behaviour, I thought, “I’m not being treated badly by another man again"....

It was not a decision I came to lightly, especially as I am a highly sexed woman who loves passion and intimacy.

But I discovered I didn’t need a man to make myself whole and I was determined to wait until I had met my equal."

Don't know what happened to TS but if alive he would be pretty ancient by now if he was 16 years older than PSS.

BTW TS and PSS lived in Belgravia, as did Lucan, not Mayfair. Both of course are part of London's "Golden Triangle" with Knightsbridge. Which of the three is poshest is probably a matter of opinion.
 
  • #98
i did not mean there was a link. i meant a coincidence like you said.

Talking of Lucan coincidences, Jessie Earl disappeared in 1980 in Eastbourne.

When her remains were discovered nine years later, deep in undergrowth on Beachy Head, the police initially thought they might have found the remains of Lucan.
 
  • #99
Talking of Lucan coincidences, Jessie Earl disappeared in 1980 in Eastbourne.

When her remains were discovered nine years later, deep in undergrowth on Beachy Head, the police initially thought they might have found the remains of Lucan.
they also did not class her case a murder. original investigators lost evidence over the years. jesse had been tied up, or bound in some way. that is not an accident. that is murder.
 
  • #100
Jessie Earl discussion should probably be continued in the appropriate thread, but cases like Jessie and Melanie Hall (discovered after 13 years) give some hope that Suzy's remains might be found one day.

Unfortunately both the above mentioned cases remain unsolved though.
 

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