UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #8

[tes1984]

It’s difficult to see what the similarities are between the HFS rapes and Cannan’s known crimes, imo.

The HFS rapist was described in various attacks as between 30 and 45 years old, and between 5ft7 and 5ft10. He was well spoken with brown hair, and during one rape threatened to harm the victim's small children.

He wore gloves and on at least one occasion a beige anorak. He tied one of his victims to her bed. He ransacked properties and stole cash.

 

[tes1984]

In 1982, 26 year old Stephen Morris from Bolton was convicted of three 1981 'house for sale' rapes - in Heywood, Rochdale and Manchester. In one attack he threatened to harm young children.

Morris seems to have been a mobile offender, travelling 10-20 miles to commit his rapes. I can't find any mention of motorbikes though, and he seems a bit on the young side to be the offender from a year or two earlier.

The 1981 rapes are also around 80-95 miles from the 1979-80 series, and I haven't been able to link Morris to the Birmingham area.

 

[tes1984]

Police ruled out a link between the Birmingham HFS attacks and the rape and murder of 59 year old Miriam Salvage in Swindon in July 1981.

Miriam was strangled after she showed a man around her house for sale.

31 year old Edward Deacon was convicted of Miriam's murder in 1982. Deacon was no criminal genius though, as shortly before the murder he had given his phone number to another female with a house for sale.

Interestingly though witnesses had described him as 16-20 years old, which of course was completely wrong.

The police mentioned that the 1979-80 HFS rapist visited 23 houses and committed 3 rapes (in Kenilworth, Tamworth and Kings Heath).

 

[WestLondoner]

The HFS rapist was described in various attacks as between 30 and 45 years old, and between 5ft7 and 5ft10. He was well spoken with brown hair, and during one rape threatened to harm the victim's small children.

He wore gloves and on at least one occasion a beige anorak. He tied one of his victims to her bed. He ransacked properties and stole cash.

Making him 10 to 25 years too old to have been Cannan.

 

[tes1984]

Making him 10 to 25 years too old to have been Cannan.

True, but the witnesses who saw Edward Deacon somehow got his age wrong by 11-15 years.

AFAIK none of the 23 women who encountered the HFS rapist picked out JC as the perp, but I might be wrong.

 

[WestLondoner]

True, but the witnesses who saw Edward Deacon somehow got his age wrong by 11-15 years.

AFAIK none of the 23 women who encountered the HFS rapist picked out JC as the perp, but I might be wrong.

Or to look at it another way, not a single thing about the HSFR cases suggests Cannan, other than that they took place within 40 miles of Birmingham where he lived.

 

[RichardKimble]

Or to look at it another way, not a single thing about the HSFR cases suggests Cannan, other than that they took place within 40 miles of Birmingham where he lived.

Or remove Canaan, is there anything to suggest either through witness accounts or forensics that point to a man known to the police.

 

[sl77]

On some detail points above - the Wardo Avenue bike contract note most likely simply means "remember to bike over to the owner of that house in Wardo the contract whereby we're retained to sell his / her house".

Strongly disagree. You would just say "go to", not the mode of transport.

 

[Rookie D]

Hi this is what I posted and i have put an image of the top entry in her diary on that day for you.


just coming back to the FPR sighting - Wardo avenue runs off FPR - and in her diary on that day was 142 Wardo - bike contract. I cannot see anything that has been investigated into that entry - or any explanation from Sturgis as to rule it out?


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Suzy had seemingly planned to go to "6d Wyfold" (road) which is today still a 3 storey building containing 6 flats (A through F)

Flat D is located on the middle floor.

6d Wyfold Road is approximately a 7 minute walk to reach 142 Wardo Avenue (via Munster Road) but slightly longer (around 9 minutes) via the main Fulham Palace Road.

Wyfold Road and Wardo Avenue run parallel to each other.

Was the crossing out of "6d Wyfold" (road) perhaps an indication that Suzy had already visited the address prior to her murder, or was it a cancellation and therefore of no significance?

Did the police make any connection to the fact that flat 6d Wyfold road had been crossed out?

It's the finer details that I often find the most intriguing.



Incidentally, in 1966; 20 years prior to the murder, flat 6d Wyfold Street was occupied by a Mr and Mrs (John and Ruby) Buckmaster.

 

[Eastend Eagle]

Suzy had seemingly planned to go to "6d Wyfold" (road) which is today still a 3 storey building containing 6 flats (A through F)

Flat D is located on the middle floor.

6d Wyfold Road is approximately a 7 minute walk to reach 142 Wardo Avenue (via Munster Road) but slightly longer (around 9 minutes) via the main Fulham Palace Road.

Wyfold Road and Wardo Avenue run parallel to each other.

Was the crossing out of "6d Wyfold" (road) perhaps an indication that Suzy had already visited the address prior to her murder, or was it a cancellation and therefore of no significance?

Did the police make any connection to the fact that flat 6d Wyfold road had been crossed out?

It's the finer details that I often find the most intriguing.



Incidentally, in 1966; 20 years prior to the murder, flat 6d Wyfold Street was occupied by a Mr and Mrs (John and Ruby) Buckmaster.

John and Ruby Buckmaster? Are they famous?

 

[Eastend Eagle]

Suzy had seemingly planned to go to "6d Wyfold" (road) which is today still a 3 storey building containing 6 flats (A through F)

Flat D is located on the middle floor.

6d Wyfold Road is approximately a 7 minute walk to reach 142 Wardo Avenue (via Munster Road) but slightly longer (around 9 minutes) via the main Fulham Palace Road.

Wyfold Road and Wardo Avenue run parallel to each other.

Was the crossing out of "6d Wyfold" (road) perhaps an indication that Suzy had already visited the address prior to her murder, or was it a cancellation and therefore of no significance?

Did the police make any connection to the fact that flat 6d Wyfold road had been crossed out?

It's the finer details that I often find the most intriguing.



Incidentally, in 1966; 20 years prior to the murder, flat 6d Wyfold Street was occupied by a Mr and Mrs (John and Ruby) Buckmaster.

John and Ruby Buckmaster? Are they famous?

John and Ruby Buckmaster - who are they?

 

[Rookie D]

John and Ruby Buckmaster - who are they?

Sorry for delay in replying

They weren't anyone in particular.

I was establishing that the residence which Suzy had crossed through in her diary, had been a residential address for some considerable time.

It may completely irrelevant of course, but sometimes the devil is in the detail.

 

[greenwoodlad]

Isn't it interesting that here we are in 2026, almost 40 years after Suzy's disappearance and its still unsolved.

IMO Despite various witnesses claiming to have seen her, a man, the car etc The only real evidence still is

* Suzy left the office that lunchtime sometime possibly between 12.30 and 12.50 dependant on how accurate Sturgis Staff were regarding her departure time (without keys to the Shorrolds Rd property as later admitted my MG manager) and how accurate can anyone be actually about the time ? if someone asked me now what time my wife left our house at lunchtime - I would not be able to tell you exactly , just maybe within 10-15 mins of the actual time at a guess and in the Suzy case.......if the witness said yes as I checked my watch or the office clock - they could be wrong...( the person, the watch or the clock) so do we really have an accurate departure time - No. and no CCTV in 1986 to prove or disprove.


* Her car...a white Fiesta reg B396GAN was found at 10pm in Stevenage Rd.

These are the facts and everything else is speculation / circumstantial ...would be interesting to know if other forum members share this view.

 

[RichardKimble]

Same old.

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[tes1984]

Or to look at it another way, not a single thing about the HSFR cases suggests Cannan, other than that they took place within 40 miles of Birmingham where he lived.

The HFS rapist and Cannan both had crash helmets.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

Strongly disagree. You would just say "go to", not the mode of transport.

‘Bike contract’ means contract couriered by motorcycle. Usual process for Sturgis & other London E agents at that point in sale process in 80s & 90s.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

Yes where exactly are those 26,000 cards now?

Now computerised, apparently. It was a long process.

 

[Klclevi]

Hi everyone hope you had a wonderful Christmas and New year.
I have been giving a little bit of thought as to moving this thread forward leading up to the 40th anniversary on July 28th and would welcome anyones thoughts.
A couple of us have recently been able to contribute t osome recently published podcasts Q&A (admittedly edited to how they saw fit so PLEASE remember that if you happen to listen to it - what was submitted is not what is necessarily relayed.)

There are also some independent researchers in the UK that are actively still on this case.

Also before I go any further, those who have not read the updated rules regarding posting should do so please.

I thought maybe we could move forward based on two schools of thought ( simple as they are, and i do not know in a thread how this would work but i am just putting it out there!)

1. JC was responsible for her abduction and murder
2. JC was not responsible and the answer lies in other areas of her life.

Either scenario is completely possible .

Every person on this thread is either one of three minds
1. JC did it
2. JC did not
3. On the fence (for want of a better word)

I read somewhere (it may have been on a very early post in this thread ) that this case is like a rubiks cube. It lines up suddenly but then it takes you down a rabbit hole of other possibilities.

Obviously there are people on this thread that are from the UK of that time and possibly (and do) have information about her life that would never have otherwise been known in the public domain. That information is to be trusted as a gift to your knowledge and I thankyou for that. It also it provides an insight into life in London in the 80s that we from far flung parts of the word have no idea about but what was only relayed by what TV broadcast at the time (Countdown music show here in Aus (like Top of the Pops I guess) and we only had like 2 tv stations in 86! I mean Wham was just the best thing I had seen ever. haha

I love hearing your stories about that time and I think all of us here who are really invested in an outcome respect that.

Happy for anyones thoughts on this. I have known about this case for a long time, but it is only in the last 12 mths I have been able to read and research it. This thread has been invaluable to me re schools of thought and I thank many of you for that.

It certainly doesnt mean Suzy will be found (we can only hope so) . It is possible. I am in Aus, and just 3 weeks ago a plumber found the remains of a woman that disappeared 40 years ago buried in a backyard.

In all due respect to the Lamplugh family who might want this case closed after 40 years of pretty much heartache I completely understand their position. However, I highly doubt Suzys case is ever going to go away whilst real questions continue to be unanswered. Is this in the best interests of the family? I guess we should think about that a bit more.