UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #8

[lee sumner]

Thankyou very much for your detailed post Westlondoner . Can you explain to me the concept of winning instructions ? (I have googled it tonight ). But I do not really understand how that works in the employer /employee scenario un the UK

https://hub.rightmove.co.uk/content/uploads/2018/10/Winning-Instructions-Exceptional-Agents-Guide.pdf

I have always found your posts to be so well thought out and logical.

Also I want to thank all of the other regulars on this thread as well for 1. being here and caring- respecting what others have to say. 2. presenting your own insights that are always a DPOV and makes you think of the alternatives.

My question is tonight - is there anywhere to go from here? Is her case now going to fade into obscurity because JC is dead ? I most certainly hope not. Is there anything us as a group can do? Can we arrange interviews with anyone? Can we be present next July somewhere - the POW perhaps (maybe not) and bring SJL to media attention in the UK again?

i would be happy to search the POW. i dont believe SL is there, but i would risk being charged with tresspassing if it meant trying to locate her remains. not being morbid, just curious.

 

[lee sumner]

Excellent points on Ripper case & although I don’t know as much as you do , I know a little & have had the same thoughts. It was much harder without tech & CCTV ofc.

Re: SL they gave up on tracing BMWs that fitted profile seen outside Shorrolds although numbers very finite & they were about 3/4 of way through. Reminded me of Ripper case where they gave up on looking at vehicles with a certain tyre tread. They just missed PS it was proven! Had they seen this through they might have caught him earlier.

IF Jo Yeates had gone missing in 1986 would the unfortunate Christopher Jeffries still be under a cloud & would Vincent Tabak be scot free? Would she have ever been found? I DO think there might be a similar ‘plain sight’ answer in the SL case. If it’s ever solved it might not be particularly complex as such.

Would the tragic Sarah Everard case still be a mystery if 1986?

On JC I think most of strongest evidence is in public domain now. SA in interview with Barley was/is a highly intelligent man. He was very sceptical on JC but was eventually completely convinced even though I think he was never sure about JC’s confession to Barley. Why? It would be good to hear more from him.

JC’s unaccounted for 6 nights post release have to be taken seriously too. There’s good evidence he lied here about whereabouts & used same tactics as he had on SB. They nailed him in part through his cash withdrawals on DT rape - Reading - & SB - Bristol.

Presumably they couldn’t do this for SL? Why not? Tech not there yet? Did he withdraw from bank in this period?

JC was probably not even in london after his release. he was blagging DS barley.

 

[lee sumner]

We seem to know from Barley in recent podcast now that SL lied to AL about who she saw after her parents on Sun night. Was it him? The friend alibi she apparently gave didn’t check out.

Looking back at AS, P:81, “They spoke later on the phone that evening [Sunday before she went missing] and discussed the arrangements for a party the following Tuesday. It was to be at the flat of a wealthy young man who lived in Park Lane, in the heart of Mayfair”.

The seems odd given AL had turned up in Worthing & left without her earlier…

i think the wealthy man on park lane is the man SL slept with while AL was away on holiday.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

i think the wealthy man on park lane is the man SL slept with while AL was away on holiday.

Yes that’s right & poss invited independently to SG’s 21st. Same social circles.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

JC was probably not even in london after his release. he was blagging DS barley.

Possibly, but no one could confirm a sighting for 6 approx days. This didn’t serve him & he was trying hard to convince police (unsuccessfully) re: any solid alibi.

Same happened re: SB. He was back in circulation around time approximately apparently seen by canal dumping witness - early hours for them & then late afternoon in Birmingham. Barley says he might have had a train ticket for Bristol in this unaccounted for period (podcast). Flimsy.

For me it’s one of the better pieces of evidence that he’s poss guilty. Financial records, bank acc not helpful to pin down? Presumably they checked. This helped place him in Reading re: DT rape & they could track his movements re: SB via ‘hole in wall’ cash withdrawals.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

My mind is now circling back to this milkman sighting TBH . I know I posted upthread about where this Boulevard Restaurant was in 86 ( in some article it says it was yards from Sturgis but its clearly not there today) . How this milkman would have identified the car is probably BS but, i will put the article below
Sunday Mirror 24.8.86
THis cannot be true IMM.

& @WestLondoner the restaurant was The Fulham Boulevard 676 Fulham Rd. Cocktails, fashionable, varied menu. Very SL.

 

[lee sumner]

Possibly, but no one could confirm a sighting for 6 approx days. This didn’t serve him & he was trying hard to convince police (unsuccessfully) re: any solid alibi.

Same happened re: SB. He was back in circulation around time approximately apparently seen by canal dumping witness - early hours for them & then late afternoon in Birmingham. Barley says he might have had a train ticket for Bristol in this unaccounted for period (podcast). Flimsy.

For me it’s one of the better pieces of evidence that he’s poss guilty. Financial records, bank acc not helpful to pin down? Presumably they checked. This helped place him in Reading re: DT rape & they could track his movements re: SB via ‘hole in wall’ cash withdrawals.

canal witness is insane. it was a man that has since died who told his friend he seen JC early hours of the morning dumping an object in the canal. canals get drained every 5 yrs, so there is no way SL is there.

 

[EddietheEagle]

the restaurant was The Fulham Boulevard 676 Fulham Rd. Cocktails, fashionable, varied menu. Very SL.

A logical choice of venue if your Shorrolds Rd appointment was real - as it's not far - but not so good if your appointment was faked. It's less than a minute on foot from the Sturgis office, hence chance of being spotted.

The preponderance of witness evidence in any case points strongly to SL's presence at the Shorrolds Rd appointment. Her diary entry was not falsified imo.