UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #8

[Kasparthecat1]

There shouldn’t be any confusion but you could well be right.

Makes one wonder what else he's "confused" about...

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

Probably confused her with his other three rape convictions.

There shouldn’t be any confusion but you could well be right.

Perhaps so but I struggle with the idea that in July 1986 JC would have drive 130 miles to dump a body. He can't have had that many opportunities to recce the area at that point, and later, after he had had time from living in the area, he only went 40 miles from Bristol with SB. Not to say it's impossible.

When she was a beautician in 1984 (1982?) she also mentioned a Bristol businessman, married IIRC. This one is often co-opted as the evidence for a Cannan connection even though he was in the slammer at the time. I suspect any 1986 Bristol connection he claimed would have been based on where AR was to be found.

If only Whitehall1212 were still here! I could do both!

Yes - exactly, on earlier Bristol or West Country affair. Mentioned to client at Face Place (beauticians) in 1984 approx.

He was ‘living’ in Bristol in prison & via association with AR an aspirational place to hopefully settle & have a business & a new start.

There definitely was a ‘Bristol’ man in May 86 - according to DL - who became scary.

 

[Konstantin]

Thank you. So Gilly stands by her original statement, which was not particularly useful from an evidential point of view it seems, and the later more lurid stuff may or may not be attributed to Gilly herself. I wonder where MB got the idea from then that Gilly had been raped by JC? Her original statement to police?

Wherever he got it from, I'm shocked that he disclosed it without, apparently, her permission.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

Makes one wonder what else he's "confused" about...

Well that’s the problem with all this.

No one should have started with JC & any attempt to rule him in or out (Phoebus) almost bound to confuse.

No one has gone back to start in 1986 with a clear & objective review.

JD shows he’s not familiar with earliest detail NB: calls to Sturgis from ‘Sarah’ & ‘policeman’ etc. The devil, IMO, really is in the detail. It might ALL be linked to an unwise deal & the culprit is in the contact book somewhere.

Then as described upthread, communication issues between MET & Dorset police hampering progress.

DL so wanted it all to fit JC it seems she was massaging facts to fit to him. No one can blame her for wanting closure & she wasn’t alone.

 

[Officer Dibble]

Yes, the hat came up later it seems. Odd as not a particularly warm & sunny day. In fact, gloomy. As someone said upthread they stopped play on cricket due to gloom/visibility.

I'm sure the pictures of the car they found showing the hat on the rear parcel shelf

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

I'm sure the pictures of the car they found showing the hat on the rear parcel shelf

Yes, it was def in the car. I mean the much later witness reports of her wearing it down the street.

 

[lee sumner]

Was the missing luggage with letters with possible clues about the mystery man ever found?

NO.

 

[Konstantin]

Yes, it was def in the car. I mean the much later witness reports of her wearing it down the street.

Yeah I can't see why she'd wear it down the street. It wasn't a sunny day and it looks like a cheap straw hat you'd keep for the beach.

Only reason to wear it really is to try to disguise yourself? But she had no reason to?

Maybe it was just someone else in a hat who's been to an event. Couples on the street are a common sight after all.

Someone needed to and still does need to do a forensic review of everything. We have technology to help with that now.