UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #8

[lee sumner]

Was this the witness who was vague about the time of the sighting?

Am I right in thinking that only one witness at SR saw the beribboned bottle?

yes, doyle seen bottle. riglin did not.

 

[Konstantin]

On other group/s of friends ‘always calling’ NB: 1988 article. After the police had ruled out Sturgis re: mystery client other contacts needed a very deep dive. No point just focusing mainly on Putney friends. Is the clue in the contact book Putney friends & family didn’t know about (?)

It really does seem clear that she compartmentalized her life quite strictly. Such that each set of people didn't know her as well as they thought.

Perhaps true of many people though.

 

[kes1972]

If the police did anything well they looked into Sturgis clients efficiently, past, present - by the hundred. The thought was this ‘deal’ was with a client. They spent a huge amount of time here.

What they didn’t seem to do was assume this deal was with a contact in her lost book etc. This proved harder to verify, those that they did speak to had spurious reasons for knowing her. They apparently didn’t finish checking them all.

I don’t deny surmises though & very much agree or lean towards, this being an ‘in plain sight’ - re: the answers - case.

I agree with what you are saying but wonder if clive barwell owned property on finlay,ellerby or doneraile street or possibly this house too?

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

It really does seem clear that she compartmentalized her life quite strictly. Such that each set of people didn't know her as well as they thought.

Perhaps true of many people though.

Am not sure - not your average 25 year old, most very close friends know of your other circles vaguely at least,it was possibly harder in past in some ways (?) landlines etc. Maybe why SL used the local phonebox?

 

[kes1972]

yes, doyle seen bottle. riglin did not.

I read this article this morning about shani linked to clive barwell and donald robertson, the bottle of champagne caught my attention.

 

[kes1972]

Am not sure - not your average 25 year old, most very close friends know of your other circles vaguely at least,it was possibly harder in past in some ways (?) landlines etc. Maybe why SL used the local phonebox?

I sometimes think people are going too deep on her life and think it may just have been an opportunity taken by cb inncahoots withs dr and an other

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

I sometimes think people are going too deep on her life and think it may just have been an opportunity taken by cb inncahoots withs dr and an other

That’s def very true & all got to be factored in & you’re right. It’s very easy to read too much into everything in a case where there is infuriatingly little to go on.

But the facts are whoever was leaning on her & buying a property with she couldn’t otherwise afford never came forward & wasn’t identified. Sturgis clients past & present were ruled out as far as possible. There’s evidence from Mum & Dad this deal was real, possibly a bit problematic, even dangerous/mildly or majorly illegal, & amongst very last discussions.

We have ‘contacts’ in a book that puzzled police, what linked them? Some were shady, NB: AN. Then apparently the police gave up here as ‘too many’ of them. No one had seen this book before apparently. Was there a theme?

We have a flatmate saying another disparate group poss linked to the Hilton or QE2 ringing up. She herself thought this was significant enough, vital, that police bottomed out.

Then we have JC helping ‘Sue’ buy a property who lived about a mile or two away

Is ‘Kipper’ incognito in her ‘contacts’ to this day? I say that’s possible, whoever he was.

 

[kes1972]

I sometimes think people are going too deep on her life and think it may just have been an opportunity taken by cb inncahoots withs dr and an other

With the shani abduction and murder there was said to be 3 men standing at the bonnet of the car.

 

[WestLondoner]

Is ‘Kipper’ incognito in her ‘contacts’ to this day? I say that’s possible, whoever he was.

Even in 1986 it was possible for LE to do a reverse lookup of phone numbers. They must have done so and thus had the subscriber name and number behind each one. You wonder if the fact that none was any Mr Kipper prompted them to give up. Peterson, Jessop, and of course Taggart would have been interesting ones to follow up.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

Even in 1986 it was possible for LE to do a reverse lookup of phone numbers. They must have done so and thus had the subscriber name and number behind each one. You wonder if the fact that none was any Mr Kipper prompted them to give up. Peterson, Jessop, and of course Taggart would have been interesting ones to follow up.

AS said they gave up on contact book as too many in it - only some/a sample looked at AND they were following other, better, leads as they saw it I believe. They never completed a full search in other words.

They also apparently gave up on BMW look up outside Shorrolds - petrolhead RT gave make & model details.

They also seemed to think these people not relevant in book. Barley said they looked at ‘boyfriends’ where they could & ruled out, but did they exhaust everything here & thoroughly in reviews? Was she really buying or selling a car at time stated etc? Couldn’t a ‘boyfriend’ be listed here?

Too many on this case seem unfamiliar with earliest details so I do wonder about a very rich seam of evidence languishing in a filing cabinet…I really hope not.

Not to be too negative on early case detective work - all up against it & they cared very much.

Taggart & shared car & JC aliases all came to light at SB time and later. Has pocket contact book/diary been scanned with all this in mind & more recently? Barley doesn’t seem to know Taggart had a council flat…Looking now for any small ads placed by all the numbers another line. They’ll be a couple of hits at least especially if so numerous.

That’s interesting on number searches in 86.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

I read this article this morning about shani linked to clive barwell and donald robertson, the bottle of champagne caught my attention.

She was off to see a boyfriend & had Birthday presents etc from memory. I did notice the seat pushed back & lack of keys.