UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #8

[Lady Stoddart-West]

It also predates any strong or public link to Cannan's involvement

Ive followed the case/thread for a time now but only just read material. AS, DV books, CBD book just arrived.Also the recent (Nov?) 2pt Podcast, articles, alongside the demented ramblings of you lot on the thread Very interesting. Been making a lot of notes/observations that I will inflict on you at some point!!

Recent poster CBums' posts did interest me on a very unproven and speculative line of notes I had. ...

The descriptions and discussion in recent thread about SJL's dyslexia and possible adhd type behaviour, coupled with the energy/drive/confidence attributed to her did make me consider that similar descriptions could be attributed to Cocaine use (previously noted by Lee and other poster as prevelent in 'Yuppie' culture of Thatcher's greed driven 80s, of which SJL was certainly a part of). Even more tangenitally (soz but this is how my head works) wondered if 'The Deal' consisted of investment in more than property!! Going along this wandering path of highly speculative drivel, very high profile public information animated films broadcast in the 70s/80s in the UK (of which SJL would be v likely have been aware of) featured a young boy and his pet Cat, 'Charlie (street slang for Cocaine from circa 1930)'!! Charlie was rewarded for listening to good advice by being given a Fish/Kipper? Anyone potentially coding a meeting to do with Drugs, outside of legitimate business, who had a sense of humour, may very well use Charlie/Kipper.


This is not the calm, helpful and rational first post I wanted to make after recent study . Other.points in the future will be more on point and, hopefully, helpful! All imo.

A v brief p.s.... Mentioned in last 10 or so pages was a query as to why SJL did not go to PoW before work on Mon morning to pick up lost items. SJL was not made aware of location of Items until arrived at office and had contact via/with her Bank (if aware she had lost them at all) The only way that an a.m visit would be likely imo, esp if the items were urgently needed/missed by SJL would be if she had been at the pub/phonebox the.previous night, so as it would be a viable place for her to look /enquire. This suggests to me either SJL never went to PoW/Phonebox previous to any plan/info to go Monday to collect. I strongly feel she never went to the PoW in that timeframe at all. Unless she was unaware of loss (highly unlikely imo due to importance of daily personal diary etc).

Pps. The article above has trouble depicting 10.02 pm in the Final clock? Looks like 10 to one! Not sure how high a bar of accuracy in general

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Interesting on the 'in joke'...along lines of 'Charlie? He's at all the very best parties". Welcome.

SL was one for an in joke 'Puff' to rhyme with a surname - not drugs etc.

Edits to AS are much more numerous than I realised. Sunday to Friday, re: day change I feel more confident about. This sensitivity about Sunday night, might it tie in to Claire's recent account of the sighting?

We have the edits, then the difficult material that came out only when lawyers invovled, then we have the factual type change to the timeline ro similar. All acknowleged by him. (AS). It was felt that these didn't hinder attempts to explain her abdcution.

We have Brookner, working from early copy, talking about Sunday night for lost things (not one to make mistakes in research as any Brookner scholar will tell you). Then we have Jeremy Paxman talking about 'cuts to her fingers' in another review. Again, not in AS, unless I have missed? And Paxman hardly sloppy or inventive in this context. He has nothing but the highest praise for AS. If AS makes mistakes, it's because of his sources at times.

The man in the 151 club, that tagged along and bought 'champagne' for SL and her date, the expat ,and had to be traced 'through credit card slips' and was in trouble in the past for 'insider dealing'. (AS). Why would a random man get invovled in their date? And why would the police take such trouble to find him?

It was thought by DL her private life had nothing to do with her disappearance. AL thought a deep dive was only muck raking. To me this 'contract' screams relevance for all the reasons discussed. If she discussed with her parents, and her father said they spoke 'at length'. Her parents were initially seemingly reluctant to immediately tell the police about this aspect to the last conversation. The police were very 'angry'. I think they hoped that she'd return and person responsible could be found without too much of a personal delve.

This person behind the contract SL seems to have said was, or had been, a client of Sturgis, but the police did an excellent job of sifting here, past and present clients etc, all were elliminated. So, I think it's fair to say he likely wasn't and that's not how initially their paths had crossed.

Her parents were loving, caring, genuine and decent people they will have advised caution. Possibly she pulled out of this deal a long way down the track and thought it would be far simpler to do so than it was. She didn't have the moneyfor any downpayment perhaps, she'd lost that commission to NH that she hoped or expected etc. Her cancelled chequebook effectively kaput.

Then in the Doc 'The Man Who Killed S L' SL's uncle, "there was someone leaning on her, she was almost angry".

Apparently the police coudln't trace all those in her diary from their names and only looked at a selection in the contact book. Some in the contact book gave odd reasons for knowing her "oh she was buying my car". Then we have AN in the contact book who met her at a very expensive new gym in Chiswick. AN's track history rather speaks for itself.

It's worth noting on the QE2 SL was seemingly very anti drugs and/or couldn't understand appeal - circa 1983/4.

 

[rvlvr]

And there it is mg reporting the missing sl at 6:45 not 5:30, bw saying sl looked serious but she was facing the passenger talking??

6.45pm seems to be the accepted time at which Suzy was reported missing, eg here by the SLT.

According to AS’s book (referenced in the third paragraph of an old post of mine, below) MG visited the local police station to report Suzy missing but left before he could do so as he had an appointment to keep. I’m wondering if he did this around 5.30 and this could explain some confusion re the time?

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UK Post in thread 'UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #7'

Aug 11, 2025

I think it’s unlikely too but having read AS’s book again it’s very difficult to work out precisely what MG saw and did, and when.

“The estate agent manager”, we’re told on page 6 - and by ‘manager’ AS means MG - “remembered Susannah coming behind his desk to pick up the keys [to 37SR]”, yet on page 78 we’re told that, that lunchtime, MG was in “the Crocodile Tears wine bar … with colleagues from other Sturgis offices.” Was MG in the office when she left, or not?

On page 8, when Suzy hasn’t returned after lunch, we’re told that MG went to 37SR and “found no sign of Susannah in or out of...

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[kes1972]

6.45pm seems to be the accepted time at which Suzy was reported missing, eg here by the SLT.

According to AS’s book (referenced in the third paragraph of an old post of mine, below) MG visited the local police station to report Suzy missing but left before he could do so as he had an appointment to keep. I’m wondering if he did this around 5.30 and this could explain some confusion re the time?

R

UK Post in thread 'UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #7'

Aug 11, 2025

I think it’s unlikely too but having read AS’s book again it’s very difficult to work out precisely what MG saw and did, and when.

“The estate agent manager”, we’re told on page 6 - and by ‘manager’ AS means MG - “remembered Susannah coming behind his desk to pick up the keys [to 37SR]”, yet on page 78 we’re told that, that lunchtime, MG was in “the Crocodile Tears wine bar … with colleagues from other Sturgis offices.” Was MG in the office when she left, or not?

On page 8, when Suzy hasn’t returned after lunch, we’re told that MG went to 37SR and “found no sign of Susannah in or out of...

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Exactly, conflicting reports about everything that was happening with no clear timeline

 

[kes1972]

It also predates any strong or public link to Cannan's involvement

Ive followed the case/thread for a time now but only just read material. AS, DV books, CBD book just arrived.Also the recent (Nov?) 2pt Podcast, articles, alongside the demented ramblings of you lot on the thread Very interesting. Been making a lot of notes/observations that I will inflict on you at some point!!

Recent poster CBums' posts did interest me on a very unproven and speculative line of notes I had. ...

The descriptions and discussion in recent thread about SJL's dyslexia and possible adhd type behaviour, coupled with the energy/drive/confidence attributed to her did make me consider that similar descriptions could be attributed to Cocaine use (previously noted by Lee and other poster as prevelent in 'Yuppie' culture of Thatcher's greed driven 80s, of which SJL was certainly a part of). Even more tangenitally (soz but this is how my head works) wondered if 'The Deal' consisted of investment in more than property!! Going along this wandering path of highly speculative drivel, very high profile public information animated films broadcast in the 70s/80s in the UK (of which SJL would be v likely have been aware of) featured a young boy and his pet Cat, 'Charlie (street slang for Cocaine from circa 1930)'!! Charlie was rewarded for listening to good advice by being given a Fish/Kipper? Anyone potentially coding a meeting to do with Drugs, outside of legitimate business, who had a sense of humour, may very well use Charlie/Kipper.


This is not the calm, helpful and rational first post I wanted to make after recent study . Other.points in the future will be more on point and, hopefully, helpful! All imo.

A v brief p.s.... Mentioned in last 10 or so pages was a query as to why SJL did not go to PoW before work on Mon morning to pick up lost items. SJL was not made aware of location of Items until arrived at office and had contact via/with her Bank (if aware she had lost them at all) The only way that an a.m visit would be likely imo, esp if the items were urgently needed/missed by SJL would be if she had been at the pub/phonebox the.previous night, so as it would be a viable place for her to look /enquire. This suggests to me either SJL never went to PoW/Phonebox previous to any plan/info to go Monday to collect. I strongly feel she never went to the PoW in that timeframe at all. Unless she was unaware of loss (highly unlikely imo due to importance of daily personal diary etc).

Pps. The article above has trouble depicting 10.02 pm in the Final clock? Looks like 10 to one! Not sure how high a bar of accuracy in general

(Falls over with texting finger cramp)

This definitely plays into the 10c dorncliffe road sighting.

 

[kes1972]

 

[EddietheEagle]

This article below is Interesting when you consider that MG said on camera in the reconstruction, that he called the police around "5.30pm."

Daily Mirror, 21st August 1986...

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It makes me wonder if his claim of going to 37 Shorrolds Road to check if SL was there, could actually be corroborated?

As I've said previously; despite being nervous on camera, MG was seemingly hiding something.

He met Harry Riglin and discussed the matter with him. There is little reason to doubt the veracity of his visit and what he did there. This would all have undoubtably been checked by police and moreover, gone through further in detail during his personal involvement in production of the reconstruction.

 

[GTB72]

Exactly, conflicting reports about everything that was happening with no clear timeline

In the AS book near the start one of the Detectives(can't remember which unfortunately) predicted that it would all come down to the timeline. How right he was.