UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #8

[Lady Stoddart-West]

WJ saw the car later & I think muddled not trying to deliberately mislead.

 

[Rookie D]

Yellow Fiesta...

Wednesday 30th July 1986...
During the search of Fulham cemetery 2 days after the disappearance of SL, a yellow Fiesta can be seen parked up outside an outbuilding within the cemetery grounds.

Wednesday 20th August 1986...
During an interview with Barbara Whitfield in which she discusses her sighting, the production crew film outside Fulham Cemetery. A yellow Fiesta can be seen parked up outside the entrance to the cemetery, facing south towards Putney.

August/September 1986...
A Yellow Fiesta can be seen parked up outside Sturgis, directly outside the large window facing SL's desk.


However, it would appear that these are 3 DIFFERENT Yellow Fiestas.

Unless of course, some alterations had been made after 30th July 1986.


Could there be a link to someone at the cemetery?


Note that Barbara Whitfield confirms on tape that she saw Suzy "between the cemetery and the estate agent, she drove past me."
(This would mean that this BW saw SL, SOUTH of the Cemetery)

On that basis, it would seem more likely that WJ wasn't lying, but instead genuinely believed that she had seen the WHITE Fiesta at 12.45pm.

But the coincidences surrounding these White and Yellow Fiestas makes it seem that WJ wasn't wrong in her timings, but rather, was wrong about the car that she saw.


Curious coincidences indeed

 

[RichardKimble]

AS had, as he said, all the police files etc. Evidence, again as he said, that would be admissible in Court. He’s also conducted own interviews re: SL witnesses/friends. If he didn’t dispute JC that’s interesting. He seems to assume that JC came from the private part of her personal life we don’t know about.

Was SL that private a person she could lead two lives? Outwardly she seemed socially mobile, away for weekends, tennis club,wind surfing, was there a dark side that disappeared with her say in the form of another diary which would point to her killer?

 

[RichardKimble]

Yellow Fiesta...

Wednesday 30th July 1986...
During the search of Fulham cemetery 2 days after the disappearance of SL, a yellow Fiesta can be seen parked up outside an outbuilding within the cemetery grounds.

Wednesday 20th August 1986...
During an interview with Barbara Whitfield in which she discusses her sighting, the production crew film outside Fulham Cemetery. A yellow Fiesta can be seen parked up outside the entrance to the cemetery, facing south towards Putney.

August/September 1986...
A Yellow Fiesta can be seen parked up outside Sturgis, directly outside the large window facing SL's desk.


However, it would appear that these are 3 DIFFERENT Yellow Fiestas.

Unless of course, some alterations had been made after 30th July 1986.


Could there be a link to someone at the cemetery?


Note that Barbara Whitfield confirms on tape that she saw Suzy "between the cemetery and the estate agent, she drove past me."
(This would mean that this BW saw SL, SOUTH of the Cemetery)

View attachment 653916


On that basis, it would seem more likely that WJ wasn't lying, but instead genuinely believed that she had seen the WHITE Fiesta at 12.45pm.

But the coincidences surrounding these White and Yellow Fiestas makes it seem that WJ wasn't wrong in her timings, but rather, was wrong about the car that she saw.


Curious coincidences indeed

Interesting in the first video the police talk of a lack of response from the public, could this be the very reason no one saw anything of note, it was a quiet middle of the day, people working, very few pedestrians.

 

[GTB72]

Yellow Fiesta...

Wednesday 30th July 1986...
During the search of Fulham cemetery 2 days after the disappearance of SL, a yellow Fiesta can be seen parked up outside an outbuilding within the cemetery grounds.

Wednesday 20th August 1986...
During an interview with Barbara Whitfield in which she discusses her sighting, the production crew film outside Fulham Cemetery. A yellow Fiesta can be seen parked up outside the entrance to the cemetery, facing south towards Putney.

August/September 1986...
A Yellow Fiesta can be seen parked up outside Sturgis, directly outside the large window facing SL's desk.


However, it would appear that these are 3 DIFFERENT Yellow Fiestas.

Unless of course, some alterations had been made after 30th July 1986.


Could there be a link to someone at the cemetery?


Note that Barbara Whitfield confirms on tape that she saw Suzy "between the cemetery and the estate agent, she drove past me."
(This would mean that this BW saw SL, SOUTH of the Cemetery)

View attachment 653916


On that basis, it would seem more likely that WJ wasn't lying, but instead genuinely believed that she had seen the WHITE Fiesta at 12.45pm.

But the coincidences surrounding these White and Yellow Fiestas makes it seem that WJ wasn't wrong in her timings, but rather, was wrong about the car that she saw.


Curious coincidences indeed

Slightly off topic, but still related, Bernard O'Mahoney describes the phenomenon of ghost sightings in a YouTube video about the murder of the Essex Boys.

From 20:55 onwards he discusses this in relation to the case of Rikki Neave.

Could any of this have any relevance to the sighting of Suzy, re BW, and WJ in relation to the car?

 

[WestLondoner]

D

Interesting in the first video the police talk of a lack of response from the public, could this be the very reason no one saw anything of note, it was a quiet middle of the day, people working, very few pedestrians.

DV suggests they got no response because they were asking for witnesses to something that didn't happen. When the reconstruction went out they got new "sightings" that repeated everything and added almost nothing - as though based on the reconstruction rather than anything seen.

 

[GTB72]

Was SL that private a person she could lead two lives? Outwardly she seemed socially mobile, away for weekends, tennis club,wind surfing, was there a dark side that disappeared with her say in the form of another diary which would point to her killer?

BBM. Don't see why not. Loads of people are capable of this, myself included.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

Was SL that private a person she could lead two lives? Outwardly she seemed socially mobile, away for weekends, tennis club,wind surfing, was there a dark side that disappeared with her say in the form of another diary which would point to her killer?

She apparently lied to AL about where she really went later on Sunday - using other friends as alibis that didn’t then check out. Presumably that can’t have been routine surely or she’d have been discovered?

I think it’s interesting DL said not selling her flat was really bothering her. Was she under pressure for a payment re: ‘deal’ which made her take an unusual risk? Someone was ‘leaning on her’ after all.

Some evidence might point to her parents knowing more than they let on to police as they wanted to protect her reputation NB: the deal.

Interesting, Sunday (eves ?) were when she gave beauty treatments to the SS couple. Did she moonlight as a therapist? She had in past, at Secrets in Barnes etc.

Those in contact book/‘secret’ diary had spurious reasons for knowing her & apparently the police didn’t look at all of them.

The People (newspaper) sailed close to wind on what AS kept back & possibly, yes, this did tie into her disappearance. Her parents seemingly thought it didn’t & NB: AS’s rebuttal & defence upthread.

 

[lee sumner]

Yellow Fiesta...

Wednesday 30th July 1986...
During the search of Fulham cemetery 2 days after the disappearance of SL, a yellow Fiesta can be seen parked up outside an outbuilding within the cemetery grounds.

Wednesday 20th August 1986...
During an interview with Barbara Whitfield in which she discusses her sighting, the production crew film outside Fulham Cemetery. A yellow Fiesta can be seen parked up outside the entrance to the cemetery, facing south towards Putney.

August/September 1986...
A Yellow Fiesta can be seen parked up outside Sturgis, directly outside the large window facing SL's desk.


However, it would appear that these are 3 DIFFERENT Yellow Fiestas.

Unless of course, some alterations had been made after 30th July 1986.


Could there be a link to someone at the cemetery?


Note that Barbara Whitfield confirms on tape that she saw Suzy "between the cemetery and the estate agent, she drove past me."
(This would mean that this BW saw SL, SOUTH of the Cemetery)

View attachment 653916


On that basis, it would seem more likely that WJ wasn't lying, but instead genuinely believed that she had seen the WHITE Fiesta at 12.45pm.

But the coincidences surrounding these White and Yellow Fiestas makes it seem that WJ wasn't wrong in her timings, but rather, was wrong about the car that she saw.


Curious coincidences indeed

there were a lot of fiesta model cars around back in 86 same as SL car. even julia holman who JC attempted to abduct was driving a small blue fiesta, same model. 1.1, size engine.

 

[GTB72]

She apparently lied to AL about where she really went later on Sunday - using other friends as alibis that didn’t then check out. Presumably that can’t have been routine surely or she’d have been discovered?

I think it’s interesting DL said not selling her flat was really bothering her. Was she under pressure for a payment re: ‘deal’ which made her take an unusual risk? Someone was ‘leaning on her’ after all.

Some evidence might point to her parents knowing more than they let on to police as they wanted to protect her reputation NB: the deal.

Interesting, Sunday (eves ?) were when she gave beauty treatments to the SS couple. Did she moonlight as a therapist? She had in past, at Secrets in Barnes etc.

Those in contact book/‘secret’ diary had spurious reasons for knowing her & apparently the police didn’t look at all of them.

The People (newspaper) sailed close to wind on what AS kept back & possibly, yes, this did tie into her disappearance. Her parents seemingly thought it didn’t & NB: AS’s rebuttal & defence upthread.

Could it be that one of the details AS was asked to omit from the final draft was him naming JC as the killer/suspect lest it prejudiced a future prosecution?

He had full access to the Police files and the co-operation of the family at least initially and suggested a link to Cannan in the 1990 article.

Is it that far fetched to suggest he knew/suspected JC in the throes of writing the book?

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

Could it be that one of the details AS was asked to omit from the final draft was him naming JC as the killer/suspect lest it prejudiced a future prosecution?

He had full access to the Police files and the co-operation of the family at least initially and suggested a link to Cannan in the 1990 article.

Is it that far fetched to suggest he knew/suspected JC in the throes of writing the book?

I think so, yes. JC not a person of interest until SB time as far as I am aware. AS was able to consider him later though in light of all collated evidence.

The AS edits were personal re: SL & likely included ‘cuts to her hands’ NB: Paxman early book review. The factual, timeline, banal type detail altered, very possibly Sun to Fri for lost items (from evidence we do have). It was thought this made no odds (whatever it was) & was poss in place to cover up sensitives about where she was & what she did late on Sun eve.

 

[RichardKimble]

Could it be that one of the details AS was asked to omit from the final draft was him naming JC as the killer/suspect lest it prejudiced a future prosecution?

He had full access to the Police files and the co-operation of the family at least initially and suggested a link to Cannan in the 1990 article.

Is it that far fetched to suggest he knew/suspected JC in the throes of writing the book?

I think so, yes. JC not a person of interest until SB time as far as I am aware. AS was able to consider him later though in light of all collated evidence.

The AS edits were personal re: SL & likely included ‘cuts to her hands’ NB: Paxman early book review. The factual, timeline, banal type detail altered, very possibly Sun to Fri for lost items (from evidence we do have). It was thought this made no odds (whatever it was) & was poss in place to cover up sensitives about where she was & what she did late on Sun eve.

But what linked JC to SL when the CPS say no direct link?

 

[GTB72]

I think so, yes. JC not a person of interest until SB time as far as I am aware. AS was able to consider him later though in light of all collated evidence.

The AS edits were personal re: SL & likely included ‘cuts to her hands’ NB: Paxman early book review. The factual, timeline, banal type detail altered, very possibly Sun to Fri for lost items (from evidence we do have). It was thought this made no odds (whatever it was) & was poss in place to cover up sensitives about where she was & what she did late on Sun eve.

BBM. AS book wasn't published until 1988. Since JC killed SB in 1987 I don't think it's that far fetched to suggest that Stephen suspected his involvement in the course of writing the book.

JMO

 

[GTB72]

But what linked JC to SL when the CPS say no direct link?

I'm not suggesting there was a direct link.
IMO, JC killed SJL.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

BBM. AS book wasn't published until 1988. Since JC killed SB in 1987 I don't think it's that far fetched to suggest that Stephen suspected his involvement in the course of writing the book.

JMO

We can’t know for sure but I don’t think so, I will go back & read up on the article his 1990 rebuttal referenced for more info.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

But what linked JC to SL when the CPS say no direct link?

Re: ‘links’ I think all the (mostly strong/sound) circumstantial evidence I referenced above. Not all in public domain.

 

[GTB72]

We can’t know for sure but I don’t think so, I will go back & read up on the article his 1990 rebuttal referenced for more info.

Fair enough. You're probably correct re AS only omitting personal info of SJL, I just thought I would throw it into the mix. I think the timeline of my theory is probably a bit tight. The book was probably in the can b4 JC even went on trial for SB.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

Fair enough. You're probably correct re AS only omitting personal info of SJL, I just thought I would throw it into the mix. I think the timeline of my theory is probably a bit tight. The book was probably in the can b4 JC even went on trial for SB.

You’re likely right. It’s always good to keep an open mind.

Six months on from July 86, DL thought she knew who did it, why & who stood to ‘gain’ NB: article above. That’s interesting. First thoughts can be strong. (NB: article above “I know who killed my Suzie”). Pre JC on radar. She was exploring with the police.

 

[GTB72]

You’re likely right. It’s always good to keep an open mind.

Six months on from July 86, DL thought she knew who did it, why & who stood to ‘gain’ NB: article above. That’s interesting. First thoughts can be strong. (NB: article above “I know who killed my Suzie”). Pre JC on radar. She was exploring with the police.

BBM. Who do you think DL and NB are referring to since this is pre JC?

Apologies for putting you on the spot but you and WL both seem to have researched this case very thoroughly and have a lot of knowledge re SJL.

 

[Rookie D]

The senior investigating officer also gets the date of the abduction wrong!

He says; "Monday 29th"...


SL really didn't stand a chance when the man leading the investigation into her disappearance, couldn't even get the date right.