UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 July 1986 #8

[Kasparthecat1]

I don't know much about this aspect other than observing that both husband and wife have clearly gone to great extents to extricate themselves from any information about themselves appearing online in connection with SL. DV makes no mention either despite SL and the wife apparently being friends and partners. I strongly suspect he was warned off the matter as it was such an obvious port of call.

I think it's a back story, ultimately of background relevance only but nonetheless part of explaining SL's personality and behaviour.

JMO a deal with this couple is far more likely. We know PSS drank wine together, seemed to be bezzie mates for a while, some business arrangements were talked of. Iirc it wasn't a particularly lucrative deal for Sjl and if she did go cold on it, perhaps it's understandable. Strange that nothing is said of it by DV; guessing the couple lawyered themselves up pretty heavily. From research carried out on here, TS went bankrupt soon after Sjl's disappearance. . So there's motive, perhaps.

She may have been involved in other deals - given the housing market at the time and contacts she may have had I wouldn't be surprised (jmo) but if so likely something would have revealed itself in the investigation.

 

[Konstantin]

that nothing is said of it by DV

I don't think it's strange tbh. It's a distraction from his main hypothesis/narrative so he didn't mention it.

 

[rvlvr]

I’ve wondered if Diana was alluding to the couple re her musings in the December ‘86 article shared in post #2,127 by LSW a few weeks ago?

As we discussed at the time, the SL Trust was founded on the premise that Suzy “disappeared during the course of her work as an estate agent while showing a client round a house in Fulham.”

That may be what happened.

But Diana’s theory deviates quite markedly from that. Diana had a flair for the dramatic, of course, though what she says in that article is hardly wild.

"I think Suzie has been killed. I think I know why the car was parked in Stevenage Road, but I'd rather not say."

She also believes that Suzie might not have taken a telephone call from "Mr Kipper," even though the diary entry is clearly made in her handwriting.

"She could have been told to enter it," says Mrs Lamplugh.

Police confirm that there is no evidence that Suzie took such a call.

Suzie is assumed to have left her office to go to her white Fiesta, but Mrs. Lamplugh believes she never drove it.

She says: "I think someone could have been waiting for her, or followed her when she left her office.

"When the car was found, the driver's seat was pushed back. I think it was like that because someone else, with longer legs than Suzie, had driven it.

"And when the car reached Stevenage Road an accomplice could have been waiting there to drive this person away."

 

[kes1972]

What are his strong links to the Fulham area?

Exactly, he must have had them to have run two pubs there, otherwise he would have ran a pub where he came from

 

[lee sumner]

I don't know much about this aspect other than observing that both husband and wife have clearly gone to great extents to extricate themselves from any information about themselves appearing online in connection with SL. DV makes no mention either despite SL and the wife apparently being friends and partners. I strongly suspect he was warned off the matter as it was such an obvious port of call.

I think it's a back story, ultimately of background relevance only but nonetheless part of explaining SL's personality and behaviour.

i find it incredible anyone can believe DV.

 

[kes1972]

I’ve wondered if Diana was alluding to the couple re her musings in the December ‘86 article shared in post #2,127 by LSW a few weeks ago?

As we discussed at the time, the SL Trust was founded on the premise that Suzy “disappeared during the course of her work as an estate agent while showing a client round a house in Fulham.”

That may be what happened.

But Diana’s theory deviates quite markedly from that. Diana had a flair for the dramatic, of course, though what she says in that article is hardly

I’ve wondered if Diana was alluding to the couple re her musings in the December ‘86 article shared in post #2,127 by LSW a few weeks ago?

As we discussed at the time, the SL Trust was founded on the premise that Suzy “disappeared during the course of her work as an estate agent while showing a client round a house in Fulham.”

That may be what happened.

But Diana’s theory deviates quite markedly from that. Diana had a flair for the dramatic, of course, though what she says in that article is hardly wild.

i agree with dl, i believe sl was given the address to write down, then that may mean office involvement,the big question is why move her car, was it to make out sl had left the office? That is the only option that makes sense. Far but not to far to get back.

 

[lee sumner]

I’ve wondered if Diana was alluding to the couple re her musings in the December ‘86 article shared in post #2,127 by LSW a few weeks ago?

As we discussed at the time, the SL Trust was founded on the premise that Suzy “disappeared during the course of her work as an estate agent while showing a client round a house in Fulham.”

That may be what happened.

But Diana’s theory deviates quite markedly from that. Diana had a flair for the dramatic, of course, though what she says in that article is hardly wild.

terrible theory. this was 1 man, not 2.

 

[ctaylor]

You can read AS’s book for free online:

The Suzy Lamplugh story : Stephen, Andrew : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

198p.,[8]p. of plates : 22cm

archive.org

Wish I’d known this before I bought my copy a few years back!

Read this again and aside from the disappearance, my main takeaway from it was AS's depiction of Diana Lamplugh. It's not really on topic but she really did seem to enjoy the limelight and she does admit this in letters. Her regular dripfeeding of the press with her various theories must have had the police tearing their hair out. The book really does make you wonder what her relationship with Suzy was really like but only they would know, as hard as AS tries to insinuate that it could be difficult.

 

[lee sumner]

Read this again and aside from the disappearance, my main takeaway from it was AS's depiction of Diana Lamplugh. It's not really on topic but she really did seem to enjoy the limelight and she does admit this in letters. Her regular dripfeeding of the press with her various theories must have had the police tearing their hair out. The book really does make you wonder what her relationship with Suzy was really like but only they would know, as hard as AS tries to insinuate that it could be difficult.

i said this a few weeks ago, and was warned/told it was out of order. all i said was DL liked attention.

 

[ctaylor]

i said this a few weeks ago, and was warned/told it was out of order. all i said was DL liked attention.

Yeah, I agree, however she did admit this in her letters that are quoted in this book, so we are really only saying what she admitted herself. I wonder if that was actually the real part of the book she objected to, because apart from AS saying Suzy had some boyfriends and had an active sex life, it was all quite innocent and normal stuff for someone her age.

 

[kes1972]

i said this a few weeks ago, and was warned/told it was out of order. all i said was DL liked attention.

I agree, when talking on camera other family member is almost smirking, which does seem very odd to say the least and on more than one interview

 

[kes1972]

I’ve wondered if Diana was alluding to the couple re her musings in the December ‘86 article shared in post #2,127 by LSW a few weeks ago?

As we discussed at the time, the SL Trust was founded on the premise that Suzy “disappeared during the course of her work as an estate agent while showing a client round a house in Fulham.”

That may be what happened.

But Diana’s theory deviates quite markedly from that. Diana had a flair for the dramatic, of course, though what she says in that article is hardly wild.

I agree with dl thinking on this

 

[ctaylor]

I agree, when talking on camera other family member is almost smirking, which does seem very odd to say the least and on more than one interview

Not to mention her going to a block of flats on Stevenage Road with a friend, in disguise as journalists, to try and get information (Page 101 of AS book).

She actually took a gun with her. I get that she was just trying to find her daughter, but the police must have been horrified.

 

[rvlvr]

I agree with dl thinking on this

The reality is there’s so little evidence in this case, beyond a few witness sightings that can’t all be right, that anyone telling you ‘it happened like this’ or ‘it can’t have been that’ is talking out of their hole.

 

[kes1972]

The reality is there’s so little evidence in this case, beyond a few witness sightings that can’t all be right, that anyone telling you ‘it happened like this’ or ‘it can’t have been that’ is talking out of their hole.

So true, in reality there is absolutely no proven factual sighting or interaction with sl other than being at her workplace, as she had written in her desk diary.
So
Did sl ever leave her workplace?
If sl was abducted into a vehicle there would be no reason to move her car or put her purse in it.
If sl was abducted at a location there would be no reason to leave her car on stevenage road.

 

[Konstantin]

I’ve wondered if Diana was alluding to the couple re her musings in the December ‘86 article shared in post #2,127 by LSW a few weeks ago?

As we discussed at the time, the SL Trust was founded on the premise that Suzy “disappeared during the course of her work as an estate agent while showing a client round a house in Fulham.”

That may be what happened.

But Diana’s theory deviates quite markedly from that. Diana had a flair for the dramatic, of course, though what she says in that article is hardly wild.

She also believes that Suzie might not have taken a telephone call from "Mr Kipper," even though the diary entry is clearly made in her handwriting.

"She could have been told to enter it," says Mrs Lamplugh.

Police confirm that there is no evidence that Suzie took such a call.

To be fair to DL, this is not very far from the police theory - or one avenue they considered - that SL made up the appointment in her diary. If the appointment was a personal one, possibly relating to an off books deal, she'd not put the person's real name in her desk diary but she would need a cover story. The question is why this odd name and not Mr Jones or Andrew Smith or something. I don't buy that this was JCs prison nickname because he liked to take naps and eat smoked fish while reminiscing about his style of neckwear or whatever just so story nonsense is floating around.

 

[Kasparthecat1]

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I agree, when talking on camera other family member is almost smirking, which does seem very odd to say the least and on more than one interview

Not sure if you've seen it @kes but there's a youtube video where Sue Lawley of the BBC is interviewing DL and more or less accuses her of enjoying her time in the limelight. Not sure if it's still around...

DL did indeed have a smirk. My mother (back in the day obvs) could not bear DL and would turn the telly off whenever DL was on it (which was pretty often back then...).

 

[kes1972]

She also believes that Suzie might not have taken a telephone call from "Mr Kipper," even though the diary entry is clearly made in her handwriting.

"She could have been told to enter it," says Mrs Lamplugh.

Police confirm that there is no evidence that Suzie took such a call.

To be fair to DL, this is not very far from the police theory - or one avenue they considered - that SL made up the appointment in her diary. If the appointment was a personal one, possibly relating to an off books deal, she'd not put the person's real name in her desk diary but she would need a cover story. The question is why this odd name and not Mr Jones or Andrew Smith or something. I don't buy that this was JCs prison nickname because he liked to take naps and eat smoked fish while reminiscing about his style of neckwear or whatever just so story nonsense is floating around.

Maybe sl put the mr kipper entry in the desk diary to rile co workers who were out of the office at the time, and maybe it worked?