GUILTY UK - Tia Sharp, 12, New Addington, London, 3 Aug 2012 #3

[India99]

Also his previous convictions cannot be used as part of the court case.

 

[India99]

Not sure if anybody is interested but this is an Episode of The Secret Millionaire which was actually filmed on the New Addington estate.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ribi4zWO5BY

 

[Paulette]

if anybody posts his criminal record on here then they have already broken the law as they can only be obtained by applying for a CRB check or accessing a Police computer.

the CRB check part would now be almost impossible, the Police computer route would lose somebody their job and they be charged with wilful misconduct in a public office.

Oh. I'm in the US, and it's common for rap sheets to be posted on-line. Too bad - though he's not really that interesting. More of a curiosity. Did his astro chart - common, garden variety con man, cold heart. Can put on a good show, but nothing to back it up with.

 

[Paulette]

Also his previous convictions cannot be used as part of the court case.

I'm sure he doesn't clean up all that well and one look at that sunken face will tell any juror what he's been up to for the last 2 decades.

 

[laserdisc10]

Re: the fun-fair claims in SH's tv-interview ---- at least one of our meticulous members stated a day or so ago that the interviewer revealed that prior to the televised portion, he spoke with CS and several other members of the family, who were in the kitchen

The fun-fair element has been a sticking point for me, so I particularly noted the member's comments which from memory may have been referenced by a Tweet from someone

Personally, I do not believe SH pulled the fun-fair claims out of his hat for the first time during the interview. DS, who was sitting alongside SH didn't appear surprised, other than perhaps surprised that SH had momentarily forgotten the location of the fair. Then again, SH might have faked that bit of forgetfulness to add believability to his entire account, or he might have done it to throw the attention to DS to relieve his own tension

 

[laserdisc10]

one other thing is why did he assume that she may have gone to that particular Funfair when he didn't even know where it was which is also odd as he's been living in Croydon for years.

As i've stated before, Orpington and Ashburton are in completely opposite directions and dont even sound the same.

To me it sounds like a story him and CS made up and the Orpington comment was a mistake and only mentioned because it may have been the destination in another story they also made up but didn't use.

That's an interesting/plausible take. The moment I conjured it, another thought occurred: by tossing the ball (via faked bit of memory loss/mistake) he may also have used DS to 'verify' the fun-fair claim for the benefit of viewers. If that's the case, he's as manipulative and experienced as we've conjectured and might have believed at that point that he was playing us like fiddles

 

[wfgodot]

The Sun has a bit about Lord Carlile and a picture of him. (Scroll down a bit.)

Killed girl's family blast videolink appearances

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Stuart Hazell landed £900-a-day Lord Alex Carlile — who is also a deputy High Court judge — thanks to legal aid.
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more at the link

 

[laserdisc10]

If the funfair staff are correct and they never asked about Tia and were never there, then what happened during that time between 7.15 and the roughly 21.40 that SH and CS were supposed to be searching for her.

And this is the perplexing bit, because as he/they set the timeline, not the police, not the public -- there was no need for it

Unless we're missing a planet-sized piece of the puzzle, no-one could have seen Tia anywhere because she never did set off for the shops - so there was no need to 'fill in' chunks of time in order to 'fit' anyone else's version of events

Not as if there had been a definite sighting of Tia on CCTV or by any witness (as far as we know) which required them to conform with any particular time-line

The killer was therefore free to invent the entire day/afternoon. As I said earlier, his story would have been just as believable if he'd claimed CS came home and went to sleep (23 hour shift) and he conked out on the sofa with both of them only awakening at 6, 7, 8 -- take your pick

There was no need to raise the alarm or notify the police at any particular time because no-one at that point (far as we know) knew she was supposedly missing. So why did they and why the mysterious inclusion of a subsequently and strongly denied search of a fair ?

The only thing I can think of right now is that the killer/s feared he/they had been seen driving somewhere at roughly the same time the alleged 'following the bus' and 'fun fair search' supposedly occurred

If they'd been dumping the body at around that time, I could understand why he/they may have attempted to cover that by claiming they were driving 'round following buses and searching fair

However, as the body seems to have remained in the loft the entire week, that's ruled out of the equation. Unless the body in the loft is not Tia and they did dump Tia's body sometime on Friday late afternoon, after which they attempted to cover their tracks by including the bus-chase and fun-fair

 

[laserdisc10]

What did SH claim to do between the alleged departure of Tia and the arrival home of CS? I'm fuzzy

Is it possible that SH pimped Tia - left her in the house and told her to stay there until someone came to drive her for an afternoon out - then left?

If so, is it possible a certain someone entered the flat while SH was 'away' --dealt badly with Tia and shoved her body in the loft before slipping away?

Did SH return to the flat in the belief Tia had left as arranged with the 'someone' ? Did he expect Tia would be returned by six and when she didn't, he panicked? He's claimed he and CS followed a bus and searched a fun fair. Did he invent those stories to cover the fact he was actually searching for Tia elsewhere, or trying to track down the 'someone' who'd taken her?

If any of the above has an element of fact, is it possible he could therefore have been genuinely unaware the child's body was in the loft?

If the 'someone' was a Mr.Big and capable of conducting mayhem on family members, SH may well be too scared to tell investigators anything

Just exploring possibilities

 

[India99]

all i'll say is this.

if in the remote possibility that it isn't her body then WTF

 

[laserdisc10]

all i'll say is this.

if in the remote possibility that it isn't her body then WTF

Yeah, well, there's a whole lot of WTF throughout this entire thing

 

[India99]

Yeah, well, there's a whole lot of WTF throughout this entire thing

and no doubt a lot more to come at some point.

 

[MobyBluff]

I too have a feeling the family knew what had happened.

I still feel there is something odd about Tia having her mother's phone not her own. If her own phone was out of charge I thought she would have taken it with her and charged it at the Granny's house.

Where has it been reported that Tia had her mum's phone? I can't remember reading this except in WS

 

[laserdisc10]

Where has it been reported that Tia had her mum's phone? I can't remember reading this except in WS

Can't help you with the source, but I've read it once or twice at least in the msm. Maybe google will turn it up for you

 

[India99]

Can't help you with the source, but I've read it once or twice at least in the msm. Maybe google will turn it up for you

http://www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk...r-old-search/story-16661786-detail/story.html

http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/news/9857350.Search_continues_for_missing_Tia_Sharp/

 

[Inge Jones]

In fact, seeing as they drove to the mums house to tell her personally that Tia was missing, why didn't he offer to stay home whilst CS did that - which would have given him time to nip out to the woods for example. I still think there is more to come out from this one.

I think CS was the driver and car owner in their household. Also you can't drive the car into those homes - there is no road outside and no driveways to pull a car into. You'd have to walk along some way in public dragging the body. Note to murderers, do not operate your crime in one of the houses in The Lindens, New Addington - disposal is difficult.

 

[India99]

I think CS was the driver and car owner in their household. Also you can't drive the car into those homes - there is no road outside and no driveways to pull a car into. You'd have to walk along some way in public dragging the body. Note to murderers, do not operate your crime in one of the houses in The Lindens, New Addington - disposal is difficult.

nobody would take any notice in that area.

people don't like to get involved with anything that isn't personal to them on that estate. i used to see all sorts of things going on when i lived there.

 

[Inge Jones]

CS hasn't had much time to sleep if she got in at 2.30pm and was still awake to put the pizza in the oven for Tia's tea at 6pm. If she hadn't slept at this point she's effectively been up for a nearly solid 24 hr period by the time they get to NS.

As she was caring for autistic children rather than sick people who might need nursing in the night, her shift was probably a "sleepover" type of shift, where she would have a bed and expect to be able to sleep unless an emergency arose. It's just to have sufficient adults on the premises in case they are needed.

 

[josie1986]

probably nothing, is there any proof they had even left the house and gone anywhere or did they just stay at home and make sure they had their stories straight.

What is cctv like in the area?

surely if they did go check out the fun fair they would at least be seen once on a camera...if CS was driving I'm guessing there will be speed cameras at some point in the area so the car could be seen on that?

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[Crazy Mama]

As I mentioned before, I was in that area on that day and did stop near a fun fair, I was looking for a post office and the GPS in the car took me to a Cost Cutter shop adjacent to a fun fair (that looked lifeless to me). Could the Cost Cutter have CCTV? I would think that they would have.