GUILTY UK - Tia Sharp, 12, New Addington, London, 3 Aug 2012 #3

[graceholl]

...or that Tia's death was an accident and this was genuine remorse (or he was in denial due to this and was trying to convince himself of a lie.)

Hope you don't mind me snipping Jtol

This is my theory on the whole case, however rose tinted my spectacles may be. It's the only thing that makes sense in my mind.

 

[India99]

Being he's a heavy drinker, he could of had a black out, come out of the blackout or woken up to a dead child, and not know what happened. Or because he gets blackouts, someone else could of done the deed and told him he did kill her. DNA is important in this case. But i know people that become violent when drinking, but are good people when not under the influence. I think he does not know what happened. i believe he really really cared for Tia. Dos'nt make any less dead thou.
JMO MOO

I think you need to spend a day in New Addington lol

Good people would still call the Police or at least an Ambulance

 

[nao]

My child has a cell phone, i can only afford one, but he's out and about, the rule is he has to answer, or i'll call the cops if i cannot get a reply within one hour. but Tia's mom knew where she was, i don't trust my family so he always phones to say everything is ok.

 

[deniseyolande]

I find this version of events as confusing as you.I wonder if the dinner in the oven was in fact the uneaten dinner from Thursday.

There did not seem to be any visits to neighbours to see if she was there or to ask a neighbour to wait in the house and phone them if Tia arrived when they went to the fair and then to Natalies.


If I remember correctly C.S was tweeting various celebrities about her missing grandchild on the Friday evening

really thats odd.....I think I recall in the TV interview SH saying when asked if she had a key to the house..he said NO and if there was nobody home she would go stay with neighbors...so strange they didn't call any of he friends or neighbors when she didn't come home at 6pm as scheduled.

 

[nao]

I'm from Hansworth, Birmingham love, drink can make good people ugly, like any other drug, but alchohol blackouts, can take the memory away.

 

[YidArmyRach]

Saw this in The Telegraph


"Mr Hazell said he felt that people were "pointing the finger" at him because he had been the last person to see her. But he said he was confident that a neighbour who told police he saw Tia leave the house alone was genuine as he knew her well and had even been able to describe "the pattern on her top".

Am wondering if this is the neighbour accused of assisting SH? How many blokes do you know, who would be able to describe the pattern on a top their wife was wearing a day or so ago, let alone a passing 12 year old?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9466611/Tia-Sharp-Now-mum-Natalie-has-disappeared.html

 

[India99]

I'm from Hansworth, Birmingham love, drink can make good people ugly, like any other drug, but alchohol blackouts, can take the memory away.

but you would still call the Police no matter what

 

[Cherwell]

I don't think any thought was given as to how quickly the printers would step in and how quickly on Twitter it would spread. He also maybe thought the police would start the investigation at NS's home, giving him time to get rid of the body.

Yes, possibly it all took off much faster than he expected. It could be that there was a plan to dispose of the body in some specific way (perhaps much further from home), and he simply didn't expect the focus to be sustained on his house in the way it was.

 

[India99]

Yes, possibly it all took off much faster than he expected. It could be that there was a plan to dispose of the body in some specific way (perhaps much further from home), and he simply didn't expect the focus to be sustained on his house in the way it was.

Well seeing as that was where she was last seen then it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to work......................oh, nvm

 

[nao]

Honestly India99 i don't know what i would do if i came out of a blackout and found a dead person, i would probably run, can't fix dead. I would not hide the body or pretend nothing happened. i don't know what happened, he probably did it, but i don't think he knows what happened. he just got drunk and angery(not at Tia) and Tia wrong place wrong time , maybe he had a aurguement with his woman, thats a pretty long work shift, maybe she did not want to come home till he sobered up?

 

[India99]

Honestly India99 i don't know what i would do if i came out of a blackout and found a dead person, i would probably run, can't fix dead. I would not hide the body or pretend nothing happened. i don't know what happened, he probably did it, but i don't think he knows what happened. he just got drunk and angery(not at Tia) and Tia wrong place wrong time , maybe he had a aurguement with his woman, thats a pretty long work shift, maybe she did not want to come home till he sobered up?

Maybe i'm just too honest then as i'd just call the Police and then let them work it out to be honest.

Police evidence and DNA isn't just there to convict people , its also there to prove people innocent.

 

[nao]

Yea well. India99 i hope we don't have to deal with such a situation, I'd panic you would do the responsable thing. But he reacted in a way i can't figure out, he did not run, so thats why - i'm just not sure what whent on

 

[India99]

Yea well. India99 i hope we don't have to deal with such a situation, I'd panic you would do the responsable thing. But he reacted in a way i can't figure out, he did not run, so thats why - i'm just not sure what whent on

The fact that he didn't run has bothered me too, he still didn't run after as far as i can understand he was told the house was going to be pulled apart (not sure if they were actually told how much of a search was going to happen)

Its all very strange IMO, no doubt as Laserdisc has said , there may be an outcome that's very simple.

In all my years i can honestly say i've never come across a case which is as weird as this one, usually somebody runs, somebody doesn't want to help or the like.

Until we have all the facts, which none of us do at this point, maybe we will never know all the details, all we can do is speculate and guess.

You also have to remember that the Police do actually give info to the press that isnt exactly 100% true as to not damage the case before it gets to court, they will only tell the press what they want the public to know.

The only people who know what exactly happened at this point are the people directly involved.

 

[kaos]

She was playing with her nintendo ds, then wanted toast, he made her toast, she then wanted sausage rolls, he gave her sausage
rolls, she then done some washing up - all this and only got up at 10.30 and still had to get ready to go to town before 12.00pm This bit is my own thought on the morning's events!


Just been looking at his interview with the criminologist and he states:


At 7.15 I was worried so me and CS go to the funfair "i walked the perimeter of the funfair, the outside fence, me and CS just to see if we can see her, i went up to the security guard - by the main gates. I explained what happened... he let us in there, walked around for a good hour... walked all the way around.
CS went one way, I went the other, looked at every single ride, all the arcades, stood by the ghost train fings (sic) ghost tunnels, we looked everywhere basically. We come out, went to NS. We thought she might have come back. But as we ????? back, I noticed, and CS noticed the 130 bus. Two and two together... in my head... I come up with 130 .... 130 comes down to here so we basically followed the bus just in case she was on the bus somewhere. Didn't work out so we went to NS.. then we went and reported it straight to the police."


Indie, how long would it take in a car to get to the funfair at Ashburton Park and then from there to Merton?


I wonder where DS was at this point. I couldn't work out if he was with SH and CS or not.

 

[soozieqtips]

Carlile charges £900 a day according to the Sun....

As for why Gran and Hazell didn't bother to check with neighbours or friends before reporting Tia missing, I can only think it's because they knew there was no point. It still doesn't confirm whether she was dead or alive at that point - only that Gran and Hazell knew it was a waste of time.

Makes me think things were done in a hurry, or they were just not thinking ahead, ie, what would they say if the police asked if they checked with neighbours etc.

The earlier post about Natalie's violent ex-boyfriends was worrying, but not entirely unexpected. And who said they'd never forgive Natalie for letting Hazell back into the family? That 'she'd got rid of him once before and then let him back in again'? There were no details, but it sounds like Hazell caused problems before, and then took up with Gran after the relationship with Natalie finished. If he was violent to Natalie, then it's very strange that Gran would shack up with him, without thinking of how he treated her own daughter - and then leave her granddaughter alone with Hazell. Talk about lack of parental responsibility, or any responsibility at all.

 

[soozieqtips]

Indie, how long would it take in a car to get to the funfair at Ashburton Park and then from there to Merton?

I'm not Indie, but I know it's only about 4 miles from Mitcham, so would have taken about 15 minutes, or half an hour if there'd been traffic, which at 7pm there wouldn't have been too much.

 

[India99]

Just been looking at his interview with the criminologist and he states:

She was playing with her nintendo ds, then wanted toast, he made her toast, she then wanted sausage rolls, he gave her sausage
rolls, she then done some washing up - all this and only got up at 10.30 and still had to get ready to go to town before 12.00pm This bit is my own thought on the morning's events!


At 7.15 I was worried so me and CS go to the funfair "i walked the perimeter of the funfair, the outside fence, me and chris just to see if we can see her, i went up to the security guard - by the main gates. I explained what happened... he let us in there, walked around for a good hour... walked all the way around.
Chris went one way, I went the other, looked at every single ride, all the arcades, stood by the ghost train fings (sic) ghost tunnels, we looked everywhere basically. We come out, went to Natalies. We thought she might have come back. But as we ????? back, I noticed, and Chris noticed the 130 bus. Two and two together... in my head... I come up with 130 .... 130 comes down to here so we basically followed the bus just in case she was on the bus somewhere. Didn't work out so we went to Natalies.. then we went and reported it straight to the police."


Indie, how long would it take in a car to get to the funfair at Ashburton Park and then from there to Merton?


I wonder where David Sharp was at this point. I couldn't work out if he was with SH and CS or not.

New Addington to the Funfair = 10 minutes

Funfair to New Addington = Depends where they first saw the bus as it goes past a road about 1/4 mile from the funfair

New Addington to Mitcham(where NS lives) = 30 minutes ish

 

[kaos]

New Addington to the Funfair = 10 minutes

Funfair to New Addington = Depends where they first saw the bus as it goes past a road about 1/4 mile from the funfair

New Addington to Mitcham(where NS lives) = 30 minutes ish

10 mins onto the 7.15, they get there at 7.25pm. Look around for an hour = 8.25pm, follow the bus back, roughly 15 mins = 8.40pm, back to NS's house= 9.10pm.

CS hasn't had much time to sleep if she got in at 2.30pm and was still awake to put the pizza in the oven for Tia's tea at 6pm. If she hadn't slept at this point she's effectively been up for a nearly solid 24 hr period by the time they get to NS.

 

[Cherwell]

What's the route of the 130 bus - would it be a likely way for Tia to return from her shopping trip to Gran's house, or to her own home? The significance wasn't clear. (like much else!)

 

[soozieqtips]

10 mins onto the 7.15, they get there at 7.25pm. Look around for an hour = 8.25pm, follow the bus back, roughly 15 mins = 8.40pm, back to NS's house= 9.10pm.

Or they drove straight to Natalie's house, got there about 7.30ish and had a good couple of hours to get their stories straight before reporting Tia missing. That's assuming Hazell told Gran what happened and she took charge of it from them on. I cannot comprehend how the whole family lived in the house with Tia lying dead in the loft without Hazell cracking up from the sheer stress of keeping this terrible secret all to himself. That's why I'm convinced he wasn't alone in it. The whole family is 'sticking together' said David Sharp. Sticking together has other connotations apart from offering support.