underwear question

[sissi]

I am sticking with my hunch,Arianna borrowed a pair,it may not have been at the party,it may have been the week before,Patsy was unaware that they were borrowed, laundered and returned to an undie drawer ,separate from the package of new ones.

Q. Ms. Hoffman Pugh generally did the
18 laundry for the family, that is part of her
19 duties; is that correct?
20 A. Correct.
21 Q. Exclusively, or did you wash
22 clothes on occasion?
23 A. I washed a lot of clothes.
24 Q. Do you have any recollection of
25 ever washing any of the Bloomi panties?24 Q. Do you have any recollection of
25 ever washing any of the Bloomi panties?

IMO JMO

 

[Shylock]

I am sticking with my hunch,Arianna borrowed a pair,it may not have been at the party,it may have been the week before,Patsy was unaware that they were borrowed, laundered and returned to an undie drawer ,separate from the package of new ones.

I don't know about you, but I can certainly tell if a pair of underwear has been laundered or is new right out of the package.

 

[popcorn]

When they've only been laundered once or twice it may be hard to tell, it depends on hot vs cold water, weither or not bleach is used and of course maybe they used Cheer.

And Sissi, this doesn't account for the fact there was no set, no other size 12s. But about Arianna- take it a step more than borrowing a pair and include she also may have left a pair, in particular the size 12 Bloomingdales. Would LHP have know every type of panty or recognized that as Arianna's if asked? Doubtful.

 

[BlueCrab]

The important thing to remember about the underwear is they were size 12, a size WAY to big for her. There were no pullups at the crime scene, and neither were JonBenet's normal size 6 underwear found at the crime scene. Therefore, the ridiculous size 12 underwear were put on JonBenet after she was dead and had been wiped down. The motive was obviously to try to cover up the sexual assault.

Common sense tells us that one of the three Ramseys left alive in the house that night had something to do with the crime. So who, after sexually molesting and killing JonBenet, would remove her size 6 panties from the crime scene, go upstairs to get a clean pair of panties, and put them on JonBenet, not realizing the underwear were twice as big as they should have been?

John and Patsy would have known better. Burke would not have known better. Burke did it.

JMO

 

[popcorn]

22 Would that have been about the size pair of
23 panties that she wore when she was six years
24 old?
25 A. I would say more like six to

94
1 eight.

23 Q. What size underpants would you
24 normally buy for her?
25 A. 8 to 10.

This is out of Patsy at the interview and glossed over. Boulder has to be in on any conspiracy and I agree that BURKE is the likely reason. I don't think it was a sexual game with asyphixation or anything fancy like that though. Just ordinary everyday sibling abuse.

 

[Imon128]

I'm not convinced JB was killed in the wine cellar making it the only crime scene, and because of my belief, JB's undies that were her size might have been put in the laundry by the perp, or might have been the ones left on the floor in JB's room area (see NE's Police File book for that info). Regardless, unless Patsy has recall of JB's undies being too large, and she should have since she put longjohns on her after coming home from the Whites, it's still uncertain if JB had put the oversized ones on herself in the night, prior to the perp doing his deed. Just some thoughts, here.

 

[why_nutt]

The important thing to remember about the underwear is they were size 12, a size WAY to big for her.

JMO

To those who want to claim that the underwear were not too big, just a bit roomy, I ask the question: Why, if size 12 was not an unreasonable size for JonBenet to wear, did Patsy just not regularly buy size 12 underwear, knowing they would last much longer as JonBenet grew into them? Buying clothes too big for JonBenet was not an unknown factor for Patsy. In the 1993 and 1994 family Christmas videos, JonBenet can be seen wearing the same red plaid nightgown from year to year, with the sleeves being somewhat shorter on her in 1994 compared to how they were in 1993. And you see this black and white checked dress?

http://s92053900.onlinehome.us/cowboyhat1.jpg

It appears to make a return as something Patsy was packing for the trip on the Disney Big Red Boat:

http://s92053900.onlinehome.us/jarclutter.jpg

 

[Barbara]

This may have been speculated about before, but perhaps Patsy decided to keep the size 12 because they are a good fit OVER pull ups and the like.

Some of the handicapped persons I work with in adult diapers, like to have nice underwear as well, so they are purchased large to fit over the diapers.

Just another theory

 

[Toth]

JonBenet was NOT killed in the wine cellar, her corpse was hidden there but she was not killed there.

 

[Ivy]

Here we go again. Toth, how would you know that? Were you there?

 

[BlueCrab]

The consensus of investigators is that JonBenet was killed in the basement.

JMO

 

[Ivy]

Patsy said the size 12 panties were purchased to give to an older child as a gift, but I agree the truth may be that she bought them for JonBenet to wear over her pullup diapers.

Police speculated that JonBenet was changed into the size 12 "Wednesday" panties after her death to give the false impression that they were the same panties she had worn on Christmas, since Christmas 1996 was on a Wednesday. Police believed this was merely part of the Ramseys' coverup.

To sissi... If Arianna had borrowed a pair of the size 12 day-of-the-week panties, why would she have chosen the Wednesday panties? She didn't borrow clothing to wear on Christmas Day.

 

[tipper]

Have I missed something? Jonbenet normally wore size 8-10 underwear. The ones she was found in were 12-14. So actually they were only one size too big. My daughter's underwear looks like it was made for a 4 year old but when she puts it on it fits.

 

[BlueCrab]

Have I missed something? Jonbenet normally wore size 8-10 underwear. The ones she was found in were 12-14. So actually they were only one size too big. My daughter's underwear looks like it was made for a 4 year old but when she puts it on it fits.

Not true. She never wore size 8-10. There were no underwear of that size in the house.

All of the underwear in JonBenet's drawer, the ones she would wear daily, were size 4 and size 6. Kane in 2000 interview in Atlanta regarding the panties removed by the police: "And every one of those was either a size four or a size six".

JMO

 

[sissi]

I'm not convinced JB was killed in the wine cellar making it the only crime scene, and because of my belief, JB's undies that were her size might have been put in the laundry by the perp, or might have been the ones left on the floor in JB's room area (see NE's Police File book for that info). Regardless, unless Patsy has recall of JB's undies being too large, and she should have since she put longjohns on her after coming home from the Whites, it's still uncertain if JB had put the oversized ones on herself in the night, prior to the perp doing his deed. Just some thoughts, here.[/QUOTE

This makes sense to me up to the Patsy part,I really believe she hasn't thought the panty issue through,she could have noticed,didn't,so should have just stated that it made no sense to her. She's guessing,and it makes her look bad. IMO she didn't kill her child,nor did any member of that household. I wish we knew if the police have her size 6 ones,the ones from her package ,if not maybe the perp took them as a souvenir.
jmo

 

[Imon128]

In that case, sissi, Patsy most likely would have put longjohns on JonBenet, with no underpants, in my thinking.

 

[sissi]

In that case, sissi, Patsy most likely would have put longjohns on JonBenet, with no underpants, in my thinking.

It would be a lot easier to discuss if we had more information. Wasn't Jonbenet wearing a velvet pants outfit? As someone pointed out yesterday,the velvet fuzz would have clung to the panties,not just a fiber ,here and there,but "lotsa'" fuzz! If no such "fuzz" is clinging to the large Wednesdays,then she clearly didn't have them on all day. If there were panties found with "lotsa'" fuzz ,on the floor,then it would surely seem sensible to believe she was changed after coming home. This panty deal is very important! We can only hope someone in the investigation tested panties for fibers and dye bleeding on the outer surfaces. If they didn't,I suggest Keenan consider this.
JMO

 

[Imon128]

What if JB hadn't worn underpants to the Whites or to bed, (either or) when Patsy put the longjohns on JB?

 

[popcorn]

The reverse side of velvet isn't fuzzy, I don't think there would be evidence stuck to her panties unless she had worn the pants insideout.

I wouldn't bother suggesting anything to Keenan, she's on the take - either for money or morally to protect Burke. :twocents:

 

[Toltec]

JonBenet wore tights to the Whites...so the tights would have come in contact with her panties.

Patsy is lying through her teeth. JonBenet was tiny and I know for a fact that she could have still wore a size 4. Mothers typically buy size 6 for a normal 6 year old, size 8 for an 8 yo, etc... A size twelve is twice as large...and if you expect me to believe that Patsy did not notice washing large panties...then I've got a log cabin to sell you.

Arianna was visiting on 23 december...if she had changed into size 12 panties, she would have picked the right day of the week.

Everyone knows if brand new underwear are washed...what a bunch of baloney!