Undoing

[JMO8778]

LOL, that would be MY guess...she didn't go to her own empty bed in her room, because it had way too much crap on it. Looks like Patsy would have cleared that stuff off, so that JB could use it if she needed to. When my husband was growing up, he had two twin beds in his room, and as far as I know...he never had sleepovers, because...well...he was a boy, and as far as I know, boys don't have sleepovers. I think that's just a girl thing. I could be wrong though, I only have girls.

lol,well I don't know if you would call it a sleepover..but mine get together w. others and play xbox games into the late night.I bet BR scrapped the nintendo at some point and played xbox games from then on.

 

[Rino]

Ames,
There is another interview somewhere where Patsy states Burke and JonBenet, shared a bed, just prior to xmas I think? She also adds it was not uncommon. Also although there are two beds it does not follow both were used?

What is more relevant is that Patsy condoned this!


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I am going to have to find where, if it is same bed or same room. It's the inconsistancy that bothers me on this issue. I know when my kids were younger and one woke up it was not uncommon to find them in anothers room, I just don't find that in itself to be a problem.

 

[Squishified]

I am going to have to find where, if it is same bed or same room. It's the inconsistancy that bothers me on this issue. I know when my kids were younger and one woke up it was not uncommon to find them in anothers room, I just don't find that in itself to be a problem.

Hi, Rino,
The fact that JonBenet sometimes slept in her brother's room doesn't particularly bother me, either. I used to sleep in my brother's room on occasion.

 

[Ames]

Ames,
There is another interview somewhere where Patsy states Burke and JonBenet, shared a bed, just prior to xmas I think? She also adds it was not uncommon. Also although there are two beds it does not follow both were used?

What is more relevant is that Patsy condoned this!


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And she is also a liar....yet, another inconsistant statement, why am I NOT surprised?!

 

[Ames]

Hi, Rino,
The fact that JonBenet sometimes slept in her brother's room doesn't particularly bother me, either. I used to sleep in my brother's room on occasion.

WELLLLL, when I was growing up, we only had three bedrooms...My mom and dad slept in one, my brother and I shared the SAME BED, and my older sister had her own room. When she got married, I MOVED UP in the world, and got her old room. But, I can assure you, that all my brother and I did, was SLEPT...no playing dr. or anyting like that. That is JUST GROSS!!!!

 

[Toltec]

WELLLLL, when I was growing up, we only had three bedrooms...My mom and dad slept in one, my brother and I shared the SAME BED, and my older sister had her own room. When she got married, I MOVED UP in the world, and got her old room. But, I can assure you, that all my brother and I did, was SLEPT...no playing dr. or anyting like that. That is JUST GROSS!!!!

Well, two boys playing Doctor is gross but it happens. It is more common that brothers and sisters play Doctor.

Children of both sexes do sleep in each others room. Like John said, JonBenet was at that stage where she would get scared of the dark. I know she had a nightlight on in her room and Patsy would leave the light on in the upstairs landing and crack her door a bit. That is what the Ramseys say.

 

[Ames]

Well, two boys playing Doctor is gross but it happens. It is more common that brothers and sisters play Doctor.

Children of both sexes do sleep in each others room. Like John said, JonBenet was at that stage where she would get scared of the dark. I know she had a nightlight on in her room and Patsy would leave the light on in the upstairs landing and crack her door a bit. That is what the Ramseys say.

LOL..first of all, just in case you didn't know. I am a girl!!...and I shared a room and bed with my brother, he is three years younger than me. Thank goodness we didn't play dr, the thought of it actually makes me sick. Yeah, I do know that children of both sexes do usually share a room together, when my husband was little, he had to share a room with his younger brother, until they moved to a bigger house, with more rooms. I posted a part of Patsy's interview where she said that they NEVER shared a room together, but then someone else said that in another interview that she admitted that they DID sometimes sleep in the same room. I have heard that she would go into Burke's room, if she wet on her bed, and the sheets were wet.

 

[DeeDee249]

I was an only child, so I never had to share anything, but I know siblings of either sex often go into each other's rooms at night- maybe a bad dream or afraid of the dark ot something.
I think from the aspect of JBR's age it would have been OK, but this was a child that was presented in a very sexual way in public.
But BR was just on the cusp of puberty at nearly 10, and whether you like the sound of it or not, boys that age are thinking about sex. Maybe not intercourse, but they are aware of sexual response in their bodies. It is just not fair to the boy in this situation to have him in a situation like that with his sister, or ANY girl for that matter.
To sleep in his room might be OK. To sleep in his BED is not, IMO, especially when there was another bed in the room.
I think the situation is a bit different when the boy is the younger sibling. A 9-year old JBR and a 6-year-old BR would not be a problem.

 

[Toltec]

I was an only child, so I never had to share anything, but I know siblings of either sex often go into each other's rooms at night- maybe a bad dream or afraid of the dark ot something.
I think from the aspect of JBR's age it would have been OK, but this was a child that was presented in a very sexual way in public.
But BR was just on the cusp of puberty at nearly 10, and whether you like the sound of it or not, boys that age are thinking about sex. Maybe not intercourse, but they are aware of sexual response in their bodies. It is just not fair to the boy in this situation to have him in a situation like that with his sister, or ANY girl for that matter.
To sleep in his room might be OK. To sleep in his BED is not, IMO, especially when there was another bed in the room.
I think the situation is a bit different when the boy is the younger sibling. A 9-year old JBR and a 6-year-old BR would not be a problem.

I believe it's the other way around...girls JonBenet's age are sexually curious, boys Burke's age hate girls.

I've been around long enough and with enough nieces & nephews to have observed that around the ages of 5-6, kids are sexually curious. Around the age of 9-10, boys want nothing to do with girls.

 

[Ames]

I believe it's the other way around...girls JonBenet's age are sexually curious, boys Burke's age hate girls.

I've been around long enough and with enough nieces & nephews to have observed that around the ages of 5-6, kids are sexually curious. Around the age of 9-10, boys want nothing to do with girls.

Not so with my cousin, who got a girl pregnant when he had just TURNED 11. I personally didn't know "it" worked at that young of an age...but, apparently "it" does.

 

[eleven]

Not so with my cousin, who got a girl pregnant when he had just TURNED 11. I personally didn't know "it" worked at that young of an age...but, apparently "it" does.

Any child who is having sexual intercourse at the age of 11 needs to have his home life looked at VERY VERY closely by child protective services. I'm not insinuating that he was sexually abused, but more often than not, that is the case when children that young are acting out in such sexual ways, to the point of intercourse. And it's usually chronic and a situation that has been happening to these children for a better part of their childhoods.

Was your cousins homelife and parental or family friend relationships ever investigated?? What happened to the baby???

 

[DeeDee249]

Sometimes, it is an indication of an older sibling or other relative showing the younger child sexualy explicit material. This is also illegal, but it could account for sexual activity at such a young age even if no sexual abuse took place.

 

[Ames]

Any child who is having sexual intercourse at the age of 11 needs to have his home life looked at VERY VERY closely by child protective services. I'm not insinuating that he was sexually abused, but more often than not, that is the case when children that young are acting out in such sexual ways, to the point of intercourse. And it's usually chronic and a situation that has been happening to these children for a better part of their childhoods.

Was your cousins homelife and parental or family friend relationships ever investigated?? What happened to the baby???

Here's the weird thing....his parents never talked to him about sex...(I guess that they thought that 10 or 11 years old, was way too early for "the talk", my mom told me that they never would even SAY the word Pregnant (or anything having to do with sex) around him.) I believe that they were just WAY WAY overly protective...the girl that he got pregnant, was 15, and knew way more than he did. The mom and dad were a little odd,...(my aunt and uncle)...but, I don't believe (and I could be wrong) that there was any abuse. I think that he was just naive...and the 15 year old girl, showed him what to do. This happened YEARS ago, and the baby is now grown, in her twenties. The parents of the girl, ended up raising her.

 

[Ames]

Sometimes, it is an indication of an older sibling or other relative showing the younger child sexualy explicit material. This is also illegal, but it could account for sexual activity at such a young age even if no sexual abuse took place.

In the case of my 11 year old cousin, I believe that it was his 15 year old girlfriend, that showed him way more than explicit "material".

 

[BBB167893]

The investigators were aware when she was asked this that JonBenet had been chronically molested, this would be the likely factor behind this line of questioning. This would be sensasional stuff in a court room, with the prosecutor saying
Mrs Ramsey can I refer you to your answers regarding touching to Det. Tom Haney, you have a copy in front of you. The pathological examination of JonBenet along with the expert evidence of Dr. Blah Blah suggest JonBenet suffered chronic sexual abuse, prior to the night of her death. Now if as you replied that JonBenet understood clearly that nobody was allowed to touch her private parts, unless you were present and that she never raised any further questions on this matter, whom do you think in retrospect was molesting her, was it an intruder?

It would get interesting, all right!

 

[Albert18]

There was a case on Forensic Files the other night about a 14 year-old girl who was murdered in Modesto, CA. She had suffered a blow to her head, maybe two, and then was strangled to death. The blows to her head would not have been fatal. She was found dumped at a place where people dump trash about 15 minutes from her home. I believe she was naked but had not been sexually assaulted.

They solved the case and it was her step-father who killed her.

The girl was grounded and was not allowed to leave the house or talk on the phone. Her mother left the house mid-morning and her step-father was getting ready to leave. The phone records showed as soon as the mother left the girl started to work the phones. The last phone call was to one of her friends and the friend said they were talking and all of a sudden the phone went dead.

Her friends said she had a great relationship with her step-father. The evidence showed he did it but there was no apparent motive.

This is what they think happened. Her step-father caught her talking on the phone and lost it. He struck her in the head and knocked her unconcious but she was not seriously injured. He must have figured what he did would result in a domestic assault charge. He had a job that required a security clearance and figured if he was charged he could lose his job. He decided to protect himself instead of her.

In this crime, his "undoing" was that he removed her from the house. She had marks on her body that were traced back to his car and his car had weeds stuck underneath that matched the weeds at the dumpsite. This is all they had on him and the fact his alibi didn't check out.

What is interesting is that I didn't hear one comment about how a parent wouldn't strip their child naked and throw her in the weeds. I didn't hear one comment about how there was no prior history of abuse from the step-father. I didn't hear one comment that nobody would get THAT angry over somebody talking on the phone. The discussion was about what he had an opportunity to do.

He also did no staging. There was no attempt to create an intruder. I wonder if he had left her in the home, left the front door unlocked (they kept it unlocked when somebody was home) and had just gone somewhere quickly and made himself obvious, it would be an unsolved crime today.

I don't think people realize how difficult a job the police have when a parent does something to a child.

 

[JMO8778]

It was her stepfather though.would her bio father or mother have done the same,as far as leaving her the way she was found,and where? I bet they wouldn't have.JAT.

 

[Albert18]

It was her stepfather though.would her bio father or mother have done the same,as far as leaving her the way she was found,and where? I bet they wouldn't have.JAT.

That was the beauty of it. They didn't worry about what a biological or step-parent might do. They looked at opportunity, evidence and behavior.

The three things that should have had Patsy sitting in a cell next to a bunch of tatoos.

 

[JMO8778]

That was the beauty of it. They didn't worry about what a biological or step-parent might do. They looked at opportunity, evidence and behavior.

The three things that should have had Patsy sitting in a cell next to a bunch of tatoos.

I can't argue w/ that.My overall theory is that PR and JR both are involved,and both should have been indicted.

 

[DeeDee249]

That was the beauty of it. They didn't worry about what a biological or step-parent might do. They looked at opportunity, evidence and behavior.

The three things that should have had Patsy sitting in a cell next to a bunch of tatoos.

Those 3 things are all that should be used to solve every crime. Just go where the evidence leads you.