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Is there a thread for Shaun Ritchie, 19 year old missing from Aberdeenshire for almost 2 years now? I can't find one but it's a very mysterious case. He was last seen apparently by friends running away from a farmhouse, some items if clothing were found and two 999 calls were made around the same time one seeking help one cancelling help. It's a very odd case.

https://www.facebook.com/findshaunritchie/


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I can't find a dedicated thread for the murder of Elsie Frost, 1965. A man has been arrested in connection with her murder, 51 years later. A 78 year old man, allegedly called Peter Pickering (who seems to be a convicted sex offender and child murderer). There was some conjecture that Elsie had stumbled upon a gay couple in the sand dunes and one of them had killed her to stop her telling anyone (homosexuality was illegal until 1967 in the UK). I listened to a really interesting podcast (I think it was produced by the BBC) recently and am pleased that there is some movement on this case. Fingers crossed they've got their man.
 
I can't find a dedicated thread for the murder of Elsie Frost, 1965. A man has been arrested in connection with her murder, 51 years later. A 78 year old man, allegedly called Peter Pickering (who seems to be a convicted sex offender and child murderer). There was some conjecture that Elsie had stumbled upon a gay couple in the sand dunes and one of them had killed her to stop her telling anyone (homosexuality was illegal until 1967 in the UK). I listened to a really interesting podcast (I think it was produced by the BBC) recently and am pleased that there is some movement on this case. Fingers crossed they've got their man.

I think just this one which you've already seen. Perhaps we could ask a mod to change the thread title, let's see wha happens with this latest arrest...
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...K-Did-Yorkshire-Ripper-kill-young-Elsie-Frost
 
Is there a thread for Ched Evans, rape case, began today.

Not that I have any sympathy for him, but would be interested to see any new evidence.


Rupert Evelyn ‏@rupertevelyn 2h2 hours ago

Ched Evans appears in court. His retrial for rape is due to start today. He denies the charge
 
Is there a thread for Ched Evans, rape case, began today.

Not that I have any sympathy for him, but would be interested to see any new evidence.


Rupert Evelyn ‏@rupertevelyn 2h2 hours ago

Ched Evans appears in court. His retrial for rape is due to start today. He denies the charge
I hope he gets found guilty again, because he IS guilty and then I hope he gets a nice long sentence which he actually serves.
 
I hope he gets found guilty again, because he IS guilty and then I hope he gets a nice long sentence which he actually serves.

Was wondering about that. If he gets found guilty ( please ) then does his original sentence still stand ? Which finishes next April I think ...or does the Judge give him a new custodial sentence ?

5 men and 7 women on Jury and a female Judge
 
Was wondering about that. If he gets found guilty ( please ) then does his original sentence still stand ? Which finishes next April I think ...or does the Judge give him a new custodial sentence ?

5 men and 7 women on Jury and a female Judge
I hope and imagine it would be a new sentence as it's a new trial?
 
Schedule 2, para.2(1) of the Act states: “Where a person ordered to be retried is again convicted on retrial, the court before which he is convicted may pass in respect of the offence any sentence authorized by law, not being a sentence of greater severity than that passed on the original conviction.”

The effect – and Parliament’s intention – is that a defendant appealing their conviction knows that, if convicted at a retrial, they will be in no less favourable a position in relation to sentence. Without such a prohibition, the power to impose a more severe sentence after a retrial would arguably be a deterrent to appeal if the original sentence was perceived to be lenient. That proposition is supported by R. v. Elrayess [2007] EWCA Crim 2252. The appellant, convicted of money laundering, was sentenced to 50 weeks’ imprisonment, suspended for 12 months. Counsel settled grounds of appeal and the Criminal Appeal Office received the application. Subsequently, the appellant’s solicitors filed a form abandoning all proceedings in the Court of Appeal. This was based on erroneous legal advice given by counsel that, if the appeal succeeded, the court could direct a retrial and the appellant could then face a more severe sentence than that originally imposed. He subsequently applied to have the notice of abandonment treated as a nullity. That was granted and the application to appeal would be considered by the single Judge in the normal way. It can be seen the threat of a more severe sentence can operate as a deterrent to appeal.

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Issues with sch.2, para 2(1) arise sparingly. Recent examples are R. v. Dobson [2013] EWCA Crim 1416 and R. v. Robson [2009] EWCA Crim 1472. The issue also arose in the Danny Nightingale case before the Court Martial.

In Dobson, the court considered the position where a defendant was acquitted of one of two rape counts. After the first trial, the appellant received nine years for both rapes. After the retrial, at which he was convicted of one rape, he was given nine years. It was accepted the appellant could not legitimately complain that nine years for the one rape count was manifestly excessive. The only complaint was the sentence offended sch.2, para.2(1). The Court of Appeal took the view the appellant should not legitimately be able to consider himself as having been sentenced for offences for which he was not convicted. Accordingly, the sentence would be reduced by one year. The court considered there was force in the argument that the term “original conviction” could not be construed as meaning “the sentence passed for the total criminality”.

In Robson, the Court of Appeal held that a) a SOPO was “a sentence” for the purposes of sch.2, para.2(1), and b) therefore after a five-year order had been imposed after trial one, an indefinite order imposed at trial two was unlawful.

This once more highlights the puzzling absence of a duty imposed upon the Court of Appeal (and the lower courts, while we’re at it) to impose the correct sentence. If an indefinite order is necessary, why should such an order be barred?

Whilst the sch.2 restriction on imposing a more severe sentence has been shown in practice to operate as a deterrent, the retrial is a new trial during which a case can be presented differently, arguments can be pitched differently and witnesses can behave differently. Essentially, the retrial is a different trial; why then should the second trial Judge (whether or not it is the same Judge) be bound by the decision of the first, which was made on the way in which the first trial developed?

Surely the sentence imposed should reflect all the facts as they were established at the second trial. If, on a retrial, a defendant is convicted but on a more favourable basis than in the first (perhaps a prosecution witness’ evidence is weaker or the defendant performs better in the box), the Judge is not permitted, when sentencing, to say: “Ah, but in the first trial …” Why should it work in the reverse?

My conclusion is two-fold. First, the curious absence of a duty to impose the correct sentence needs correcting; such a provision is long overdue. Secondly, the restriction in sch.2 operates only as a hindrance; how can a defendant legitimately complain at receiving a lengthier sentence at retrial, if the Judge thought it appropriate? A defendant in such a position could challenge a manifestly excessive sentence in the usual way. Repealing this injudicious provision would promote fairness and consistency in sentencing.

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Gray’s Inn, editor of Banks on Sentence and the UK Criminal Law Blog (ukcrime.wordpress.com).

So, if found guilty again, the maximum term can not be more than he was given last time ... shame.
 
Thanks for that Mrazda, extremely interesting.

So his max would be 5 years again. But, I suppose, even if the Judge decides to give him a lower sentence - say 2 - 3 years, which effectively is little over one year in prison ( if indeed he goes back and isnt just given a suspended one ) he will still be a convicted rapist, which will be justice to some extent.
 
What about the other bloke, would you have found him guilty as well?
No, probably not, but only because she went willingly to a hotel with him ... Evans from his own website - stated that he was in a taxi on his way back to his family home when he got the message from his friend saying he'd taken a girl back to his room, Evans could've just carried on home but instead, he chose to ask the driver to turn around and take him to the hotel, he then talked his way into being a key card to get into the room (the room was not booked in his name but he paid for it) and then afterwards he left via the fire escape ... if it were up to me, I'd put him and Adam Johnson in concrete boots and chuck them both in the north sea.
 
Has anyone seen a thread for Ethan Peters? I can't seem to find one.

20 year old student from York. Been missing since a night out on Sunday. Underwater teams searching the Foss. It all seems too predictable, but... hopefully I'll have egg on my face and he'll turn up safe and well.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-37561023

https://northyorkshire.police.uk/news/missing-man/

Here you go:

Ethan Peters, 20, York, 2nd Oct 2016

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...York-2nd-October-2016&p=12855026#post12855026
 
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