US threatens to annex Greenland - 2025/2026

[acutename]

I was referring to the envoy (Landry) from Louisiana who was heading to Greenland for the dog race but was disinvited. When you mentioned "envoy," that who I thought of. The ambassador to Iceland is another jokester not serious about the job.

And, yes, I hope he realizes a dis-invite is a dis.

jmopinion

Usha got disinvited to the dog sled race last year. Don't they see a pattern? They should have some dogs in the race. IMO

 

[Lebowski]

That doesn't make any sense. The "golden dome" is not real. It's a hope that at some time in the future the existing Iron Dome (with a detection range from launch is 45 miles) will have a longer detection range.

Canada is not yet interested in investing in the dome project, and has instead made arrangement with Australia for long range missile detection. Why is Trump announcing that Greenland will purchase, or cooperate, with the dome? Did Rutte suggest that NATO will invest in the US dome project for future implementation in Greenland?

The US wants billions to develop and build the project.

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~ in my opinion ~​

BBM, SBM

i could be wrong, but i am guessing golden dome is going to be partly/mostly made up of existing missile defense programs that the US has been developing for decades. the systems have evolved and shifted goals several times, and some of the goals are still far off, but the system(s) we have are quite complex, multi-layered, and far along. IIRC, some of them go all the way back to reagan's SDI. ... anyway, if my assumption is right, to a degree it already exists.

right now, if someone shoots a short range or theater missile at the US, or (depending on specifics) some allies, it will probably get shot down. ICBM's are tougher for various reasons, one being that they go so much faster than the others. if someone fires a single one at the US, with no tricks to foil our system, and no MIRVs, we stand a decent chance of shooting it down. if someone fires a bunch at once to overwhelm the system, or uses countermeasures, or uses MIRVs -- and all three would likely apply to a strike from russia or china -- we can't stop it. IIRC, the concepts for getting better at shooting down ICBMs involve space-based interceptors, airborne lasers, and/or space-based lasers. golden dome might add some layers like that (my speculation).

 

[Kaley Smith]

They kissed the ring.

jmopinion

I don't see it that way. Trump isn't getting anything that wasn't available to the USA before all of his threats. He backed down because countries stood up to him, and he realized he wasn't getting Greenland.

 

[outback]

Continuing his defense for wanting to take over Greenland:

"After the war, which we won, we won it big. Without us, right now, you‘d all be speaking German and a little Japanese, perhaps. "

Does this idiot not realize he is currently in a German speaking country? My god.

He's just stealing a line from Karoline Leavitt. I remember thinking how hateful it was when she said it to France.

MSN

Jmo

 

[branmuffin]

Craziest headline I've seen in a long time.

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Mob boss tactics.

 

[Kemug]

there is a new US envoy going to Iceland- not until March. He is from LA- one of the hottest states in the US so hope he can acclimate. He has said a few things already.
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6 days ago — Thousands of people have signed a petition expressing anger after Donald Trump's nominee for ambassador to Iceland reportedly joked that the ...

Does anyone else remember when diplomats used to be diplomatic?

 

[sapphire blue]

Does anyone else remember when diplomats used to be diplomatic?

I certainly do. Likewise the politicians and diplomats (aust) used to be statesmen who had experience and respect.

 

[Kemug]

They had been trained to be diplomats, not just plucked from a TV show, or because they were somebody's suckerup buddy. They certainly didn't say things like "Where's the gratitude?", and "We'll have you for our 51st state, ha ha!"

 

[Charlot123]

Isn't that sort of what is going on with Taiwan? They claim to be independent, but the PRC says no. The world and UN sort of sold out the Taiwanese by saying there can't be two Chinas.

Yes, and I am afraid to even imagine what plans PRC might be harboring now, tbh. I visited Taiwan, loved it and I was scared for it since the very beginning of the Greenland saga.

 

[Deleted member 369619]

Does anyone else remember when diplomats used to be diplomatic?

Yes, but I’m old, so we’re going back a long time lol.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

 

[Moll]

Is the reference in the NY Post article to the US having sovereignty over its bases? Doesn't this happen already ? I have a vague idea it does in the UK but am not sure exactly how it works. It's a matter of leases anyway not ownership.

 

[Moll]

What a pity discussions couldn't have been conducted in the polite and understated way in which Canada and Denmark settled their old border dispute on Hans Island in 2022! It's remarkable how close Canada and Denmark/Greenland are, through their most northerly territories. Whereas the US, despite various lies from Trump, is further away from Greenland than a number of other countries - Iceland, Norway, Denmark, the UK etc...

On tiny Hans Island, Denmark and Canada create world's newest land border

A dispute marked by flags and booze has been replaced with an official land border on Hans Island, located between Canada and Denmark.

bigthink.com

Canada and Denmark end decades-long dispute over barren rock in Arctic

Hans Island ‘whisky war’ – described by some as a ‘pseudo-confrontation’ – ends after formal division agreed

www.theguardian.com

As Canada Sides with Greenland and Denmark, a Reminder of the 'Whisky War' - Policy Magazine

 

[Inthedetails]

They had been trained to be diplomats, not just plucked from a TV show, or because they were somebody's suckerup buddy. They certainly didn't say things like "Where's the gratitude?", and "We'll have you for our 51st state, ha ha!"

^^ This ^^

 

[Yellowbelly]

Is the reference in the NY Post article to the US having sovereignty over its bases? Doesn't this happen already ? I have a vague idea it does in the UK but am not sure exactly how it works. It's a matter of leases anyway not ownership.

The base they've currently got on Greenland (Pituffik) is leased from Denmark and remains Danish territory. What the new deal seems to envisage is something more akin to the British Sovereign Base Areas on Cyprus, which are official British territory, rather than being a leased part of the Republic of Cyprus.

Akrotiri and Dhekelia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Inthedetails]

The heads of all 27 European Union member states will gather in Brussels on Thursday for what the body is calling an "extraordinary" summit regarding the recent crisis in transatlantic relations prompted by U.S. President Donald Trump's efforts to acquire Greenland.

European leaders to gather in Brussels to 'coordinate' plans on Trump, Greenland

The heads of all 27 European Union member states will gather in Brussels on Thursday for an extraordinary summit regarding the recent crisis in transatlantic relations.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Inthedetails]

Is the reference in the NY Post article to the US having sovereignty over its bases? Doesn't this happen already ? I have a vague idea it does in the UK but am not sure exactly how it works. It's a matter of leases anyway not ownership.

I'm wondering if the word "lease" is what set him off to begin with. He doesn't want to be a renter.

Who knows.

Whatever the case, he could've negotiated, without scaring the world, about military bases that were already available to USA.

jmopinion

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Isn't that sort of what is going on with Taiwan? They claim to be independent, but the PRC says no. The world and UN sort of sold out the Taiwanese by saying there can't be two Chinas.

Things are a bit different with Taiwan as until the 17th century it was inhabited by its own indigenous people. It was "discovered" in European terms by the Portuguese and claimed by the Dutch in the early 17th century, about the time the Han Chinese started to arrive. It was annexed by China later in that century but then ceded to Japan in 1895 before becoming an independent state after WWII. As such, it was only under the control of mainland China for about 230 years.

Taiwan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[otto]

As soon as the US government said that Canada will become the 51st state, Canadians stopped trusting the US. Today, Greenland has the same position: the US is unreliable, untrustworthy. Not even a change of government will restore trust.

In the video, Tillie Martinussen, a former member of Parliament of Greenland, describes this US president speech at Davos as "so insulting", "so enraged by this", "sounding like someone who has dementia", "doesn't even know which country he is invading", "Canada is also on the menu", "so upside-down and screwed up", "can't own land in Greenland, can own an allotment and put a house on it" ...

An interesting point is that no one in Greenland owns land. There is collective ownership of all land by the people of Greenland. The United States may demand sovereignty over their military bases on Greenland, similar to the agreement in Cyprus. However, I don't think that is possible since no one has ownership of land. No exception will be made for a country that cannot be trusted.

'We can never really trust America again': former Greenland MP

Tillie Martinussen, a former member of Parliament of Greenland, says people in Nuuk haven't heard any details about the deal U.S. President Donald Trump teased on Wednesday. But she said Greenlanders won't trust him again, likening him to a sled dog who turns and bites you."

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.7055773

 

[otto]

The base they've currently got on Greenland (Pituffik) is leased from Denmark and remains Danish territory. What the new deal seems to envisage is something more akin to the British Sovereign Base Areas on Cyprus, which are official British territory, rather than being a leased part of the Republic of Cyprus.

Akrotiri and Dhekelia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I doubt that is possible due to how land is allotted in Greenland. How could a foreign country own land in Greenland when citizens cannot? It would be a big mistake to give a foreign country rights that citizens of Greenland do not have. Furthermore, US military bases would demand more and more territory until they had ownership of the majority of the Island.