Found Deceased UT-5 -Year-Old Elizabeth Shelley Found Deceased (UNCLE ARRESTED) #4

[Bravo]

I saw in today’s Daily Mail article I believe he was arrested in 2016 for assault of a roommate and a DUI that lead to a police chase ending in police blowing out his tires. Behaviors or tendencies to violence and out-of-control behaviors did exist.

Yes I was aware however I do wonder about this thoughts pertaining to assault and murder of a child.

 

[Trudie]

This “Keep anyone with alcohol, substance abuse, violent behaviors, history of abuse, etc. away from our children. That’s it, bottom line, they lose the honor of being in the presence of the most susceptible members of our family.”

Thank you for posting that.

I agree, even if there’s no risk of violence, not that one can ever be certain, but why expose kids to such behavior? I would not, as I think it sends the impression inappropriste behavior is acceptable.

 

[JustEve]

Unfortunately, millions of kids are subject to the same kind of risk every day - unknowingly being placed in harm's way by unaware parents. Many kids exposed to this kind of potential harm will experience abuse of some sort, but almost none of them are murdered.

I can't place any more responsibility on JW for not protecting her child from AW than I can any other parent who is overly trusting, overly compassionate, possibly in denial, or oblivious to these dangers. I have friends who parent the same way. I don't, but I can't judge others. I am aware that their kids are at risk and I plan to be there if and when they need me. But you can't preemptively judge who is going to do this and who isn't, unless they've been studied by psychologists or received certain diagnoses. You can choose to protect and prevent (and be overprotective like me), but you can't really judge anyone for not being able to protect from danger they aren't aware of.

You are absolutely right! I am always cautious and alert when it comes to my 13- year old son, but I live in a small country, literally without crime, so it is easier to be a parent here.
There are no kidnappings, murderings and horrible crimes here- in last 5 years two kids were killed, by parents- also, few parents were killed by teenage kids- and kidnappings occur (by parents) only in custody battles, but, as I recall correctly, a stranger crime never occured here.
If I lived in a different country, I guess I´d be utterly paranoid!

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Neighbor says he was feet away from Elizabeth Shelley's body during first search day Neighbor says he was feet away from Elizabeth Shelley's body during first search day

So sad. I hope they don't beat themselves up over being so close,and take comfort in knowing Elizabeth would appreciate all they did for her. As a former 5 year old little girl they would be Heroes to me.

 

[kiaatcher]

If I lived in a different country, I guess I´d be utterly paranoid!

You just learn to live with it. For example, we have a lot of school shootings, and as a student the thought terrifies me, but there's not much I can do to protect myself.
We all have terrible things we've grown accustomed to, and we just hope it doesn't happen to our families + the institutions that are there to protect us will do their job.
Not sure if that made sense, but basically we just learn to take the small precautions possible and hope/trust that we'll be okay. That is true no matter where you live.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Neighbor says he was feet away from Elizabeth Shelley's body during first search day

According to this linked article they didn’t go onto the bit of land that lizzy was later found in due to it being private property. Maybe the owner had been away they couldn’t get permission. Moo

Can't imagine what it must be like for the property owner. I would be heartbroken,and mortified.

 

[September16]

Yes I was aware however I do wonder about this thoughts pertaining to assault and murder of a child.

Right. Or any actions taken previously. He was probably secretive about it.

 

[Trudie]

First responders in Logan cope with trauma after uncle directs police to Elizabeth Shelley’s body

 

[perfectingpink]

So sad. I hope they don't beat themselves up over being so close,and take comfort in knowing Elizabeth would appreciate all they did for her. As a former 5 year old little girl they would be Heroes to me.

I hope they don't either but from experience, I know you can tell yourself one thing but your heart doesn't always listen. I pray every person who was searching for her finds peace.

 

[LietKynes]

I saw in today’s Daily Mail article I believe he was arrested in 2016 for assault of a roommate and a DUI that lead to a police chase ending in police blowing out his tires. Behaviors or tendencies to violence and out-of-control behaviors did exist.

Sad ! But he got chance after chance.

 

[sleuther0192837465]

This is just MOO.
I don’t think Lizzy’s mom knew or had one inkling of what AW would turn out to be. AW took advantage of Jw’s kindness.
Having said that, I cut ties with family members long ago for the safety of my children. It was the absolute best decision I have ever made & I have never, not once, doubted myself over it.
But I KNEW how my family members were....I don’t think JW understood how deeply disturbed AW was.
I can not imagine how she feels & I sincerely hope JW gets all the help & support she needs for the rest of her life.
I hope AW pleads guilty, no matter his reasoning, just so Lizzy’s family won’t have to be put through more hell...MOO

 

[LietKynes]

From the probable cause document:

"Jessica stated she began communicating with Alexander via Facebook Messenger and invited him to her residence."

https://gephardtdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/Whipple_PC.pdf

BBM

Thanks, that's interesting.
I was under the assumption that they'd been in communication for some time.
Wonder how much time had passed since she'd texted/talked to him ?
She maybe had no idea what a monster he was.

 

[LietKynes]

This is just MOO.
I don’t think Lizzy’s mom knew or had one inkling of what AW would turn out to be. AW took advantage of Jw’s kindness.
Having said that, I cut ties with family members long ago for the safety of my children. It was the absolute best decision I have ever made & I have never, not once, doubted myself over it.
But I KNEW how my family members were....I don’t think JW understood how deeply disturbed AW was.
I can not imagine how she feels & I sincerely hope JW gets all the help & support she needs for the rest of her life.
I hope AW pleads guilty, no matter his reasoning, just so Lizzy’s family won’t have to be put through more hell...MOO

BBM

Agreed. and I hope they cut off all contact with him-- let it be as though he's dead.
No jail visits, no care packages, etc.

 

[x_files]

not sure how much older JW is, but wouldn't she have also been abandoned by her mother? There is something wrong with how we socialize boys in this country - too much entitlement. They believe they are deserving of special treatment and that they are entitled to violence when they don't get what they want (or need, even).

We've seen so much of this lately, it almost seems like a war on women and children.

Under the same circumstances, women tend to internalize and caretake, rather than act out against the vulnerable. It's not just genes, or sex hormones (testosterone) that causes the difference.

Agreed!

 

[kiaatcher]

BBM

Thanks, that's interesting.
I was under the assumption that they'd been in communication for some time.
Wonder how much time had passed since she'd texted/talked to him ?
She maybe had no idea what a monster he was.

If Wes knew him, then JW must have know AW for 5 years minimum. Of course that doesn't mean that she knew him well, just that they had met.

 

[Trudie]

BBM

Thanks, that's interesting.
I was under the assumption that they'd been in communication for some time.
Wonder how much time had passed since she'd texted/talked to him ?
She maybe had no idea what a monster he was.

The grandfather mentioned how often they visited, iirc.
I’ll look for his interview when I return.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

From the probable cause document:

"Jessica stated she began communicating with Alexander via Facebook Messenger and invited him to her residence."

https://gephardtdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/Whipple_PC.pdf

So sad. She reached out to him,and invited him over, let him stay overnight, because that's what siblings do for each other. They look out for each other, care for them, include them,and make them feel welcome,and loved.
My heart breaks for her.

 

[JustEve]

I thought this once upon a time too but when a mental health professional tells a parent that their child cannot even really be assessed because they won't discuss anything, your hands are tied. At a certain age kids become their own person and taking them to thousands of dollars worth of mental health appointments bc we think they need to talk abt their probelms, that are fruitless and stated as such by the professional is a hard pill to swallow for this single mother. A 14 yr old that refuses to talk is a force to be reckoned with, sorry it happened. Especially one that says "we all have bad days right? So I don't need help, it will pass" enlightening for a teen I thought. To this day I see there is a need for that 1 little period in time to be hashed and accepted or whatever it is we do with bad childhood memories as adults (and he still laughs at me, but he resents other "clueless" kids his age & their innocence. I try reminding him they know no different, he thinks theyre ill prepared to be adults, I see such resentment it pains me) He is successful adult now & isn't out murdering children. As his mother I still worry about it, I always will.

Oh, absolutely. I understand you completely- mine is a teenager and I know what you mean.

And your last sentence- I know that it is how it´s going to be here, once he is a grown man.

 

[sleuther0192837465]

BBM

Agreed. and I hope they cut off all contact with him-- let it be as though he's dead.
No jail visits, no care packages, etc.

I hope so, too. Sick SOB does not deserve any kindness from them.

 

[Peppery]

Agree completely!

Please note I’m not trying to say AW mother or father are to blame for this, just that I believe he became what he did in part because of his upbringing, which I’m sorry but statistics do show that when crimes are committed like this 9 times out of 10 the perpetrator has came from : a broken home/cps involvement in childhood/substance or alcohol abuse/foster homes etc. We can’t deny that this is often the case and who knows had AW been brought up with love, morals etc this might never have happened. At the very least any parent worth their salt would have seen a declining mental state and took appropriate steps to ensure their child got the help they needed whether said child agrees or not. MOO

I can agree when it comes to substance abuse, lack of direction/motivation and maybe even petty crimes. But murder? No. SA of a young child (if there was one)? No.

If this was a crime of passion it would be different. But this was a cold, calculated, premeditated murder of an innocent and vulnerable child. A person either has the ability to do that in them or they don’t. Alex Whipple has it in him, and it was not caused by an absentee mother, foster care, depression or substance abuse. The only reason he murdered Lizzy is because he wanted to. Imo.