Thanks, ongoing therapy and supervision for my own work is what keeps me from geeking out completely.Welcome cdn
Pleased you are posting here now.
You certainly are fortunate, that you have moved on from your traumatic past, unlike poor Lizzie.
Hope your future, is an upward spiral in life.
The photo used in her obit is my favorite-- the larger one appeared early during the investigation. It appears to be taken at a family restaurant that gives kids a crayon packet, and she seems overjoyed at that moment. Drawing rainbows...
Thanks for explaining the Utah culture surrounding death. I can't help but think they may have to omit the "open casket" as Lizzy was reportedly exposed/partially buried for 5 days. Perhaps I'm wrong? I guess we will know soon enough. MOOI'm not sure if Lizzy's family is Mormon, but if so they usually follow the same process. Open casket viewing the night before where family can display pictures and knick knacks from the person. Day of another open casket viewing with a family prayer, followed by the closing of the casket (very dramatic IMO). Carry it off to the sacrament room where they play music, have the obituary read, and a religious speech by the bishop. Then the casket is buried.
I've been to both Mormon and non-Mormon funerals in Utah, and they have always followed this process. It's just a cultural thing despite there being religious roots. Although this is a child who was brutally murdered, and not someone who died of old age, so I'm not sure how that would change things.
All MOO and not necessarily fact.
Edit: And yes, the food is amazing, especially funeral potatoes. As much as I despise the gossiping and pretentious nature among the Relief Society ladies, they're amazing at cooking
I think this is pretty much American culture. The only difference (for the vast majority) is what we call it regionally. In these parts, many still call the viewing “visitation.” The meal after the funeral is very often supplied by a local church even if the person was not religious.I'm not sure if Lizzy's family is Mormon, but if so they usually follow the same process. Open casket viewing the night before where family can display pictures and knick knacks from the person. Day of another open casket viewing with a family prayer, followed by the closing of the casket (very dramatic IMO). Carry it off to the sacrament room where they play music, have the obituary read, and a religious speech by the bishop. Then the casket is buried.
I've been to both Mormon and non-Mormon funerals in Utah, and they have always followed this process. It's just a cultural thing despite there being religious roots. Although this is a child who was brutally murdered, and not someone who died of old age, so I'm not sure how that would change things.
All MOO and not necessarily fact.
Edit: And yes, the food is amazing, especially funeral potatoes. As much as I despise the gossiping and pretentious nature among the Relief Society ladies, they're amazing at cooking
Interesting and thought-provoking post. Could be -- especially him thinking about the mom/grandmom's treatment of him vs. Lizzy. He may have -- and probably did -- see it several times, and something said while he was there just really sent him over the top -- but not insanity, just rage and wanting to hurt somebody.
Interesting, isn't it?
Thanks for the post -- and it's always nice to have local sleuthers with us as things go along.
Unfamiliar with acronym BBM(noob around here)
Hoping no offense taken, I intended this as a parallel to my own preoccupation to the case and frankly to my career where I steep in the many ways humans traumatize one another. I see my defenses at work. My mother’s (and my own) fondness for intellectualization lends a breath of distance between human suffering and the emotions said suffering evokes.
Very good post, pepper -- thanks for your insights. Makes good sense to me.
This is a really interesting take on the subject. I'm still not completely decided on whether it was premeditated or a spur of the moment killing, but it would have happened eventually to someone (SA or murder) based on his mental state. For some reason in my mind it hurts more to think that Lizzy was just a little girl who was somewhere at the wrong time, and that she was randomly the subject of his rage. Because if it was premeditated, then someone could have possibly stopped him, even though I know realistically that isn't true. It hurts so much to see another little girl taken from this earth brutally by a sick man.
