UT - Charlie Kirk Murdered on Utah College Stage *Arrest* #2

[Skigh]

Just because somebody called CK a fascist or inspiring "Hitler Youth" does not make it true. That article, it makes it sound like Pastor Darrell Scott was simply jealous of CK.

Regardless, it is exactly that kind of talk that leads to people like Tyler Robinson taking up arms. Sad.

I wonder when we will learn more about how he was radicalized.

I imagine his devices are being examined in fine detail.

 

[tlcya]

Very well said and very insightful.

In the end, attempts to explain away, white wash or downplay the obvious and blatant political messaging (Fascist- catch, verses to an Italian song associated with left wing resistance, stated dislike of the victim's political messaging) are likely to come up short.

Im my opinion, such attempts are disrespectful to the victim. It is similar to speculating that this shooting was not truly based on hatred of Palestinians. Maybe the shooter was actually motivated by video games? Maybe the shooter confused Palestinian colors for Italian colors (both use red, white and green)? Maybe he had a mental psychosis? Maybe, Maybe......
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Yet, as you state, there could be other sub motives besides the obvious political:

- Drifting angry youth who "failed to launch". How long is an electrical apprenticeship program? He was enrolled for three years. May indicate attendance and/or grade issues mixed with drifting with no clear goal or purpose.

- His choice of cruise mobile is not exactly eco centered and socially aware. Maybe a bored "rebel with out a cause"- who then recently found a cause"? Maybe even changed his political orientation for "shock value", attention and to generate cool talking points?

- Social isolation: As others have noted, the gay joke reference is a generation old. Maybe socially isolated and those noticing would include admiring females?

Not being argumentative but the BBM seems to indicate you feel any discussion of the italicized portion of your post is disrespectful to the victim and white washing? As if there is only one reason one could assassinate the victim and it revolves around a hatred of Palestinians? As if there is only one way to interpret the phrases carved by the suspect?

But then appears to go on to admit those italicized portions may have played a factor in creating this disturbed young man?

Am I misunderstanding you? again, I ask for the purpose of understanding not arguing. TIA

 

[Dotta]

Another was engraved with the words of prominent Italian anti-fascist song 'Bella Ciao', which is dedicated to the Italian resistance who fought against Nazism.

The song has also seen a recent uptake in interest after being heavily featured in the Netflix series 'Money Heist'.

This song is very popular in Europe.
I remember when I was a little girl going to holiday camp (in my country Poland),
the whole bus of us kids were singing energetically
"Mama Ciao, Mama Ciao, Ciao, Ciao!!!"
happy to go on holidays without parents

 

[Eli9]

Does he have a girlfriend or has he ever had one?

IMO I don't think his dad had a choice, once he recognized him and the shooter confessed what else could he do? It was only a matter of time before he was arrested. He may not get the death penalty, we don't know what is going to happen to him.

I also wonder about, mostly current, friends or girlfriends. I haven't seen any on TikTok yet. Maybe some will begin to share their stories in the future.

 

[Jade]

Thanks. His father urged him to turn himself in. The father contacted a family friend. The family friend called the Sheriff's Office.

There is nothing stating that Tyler Robinson turned himself in.

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The father initially told Robinson to turn himself in. Robinson initially said no, but later changed his mind, officials said.

The father then called a youth pastor, who is also a U.S. Marshals task force officer. The officer advised the father to have Robinson stay in place.
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What to know about Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk shooting suspect: How he was caught

 

[Mandi3020]

Dad turned in his son knowing he'll get the death penalty. Cold as ice, damn.

I couldn’t disagree more. His father turned in his son to face the consequences of his behavior. TR assinated (allegedly at this point) Charlie Kirk. TR is the person that is cold as ice. He made Charlie Kirk’s wife a widow and single mother, and left his two (very young) children without a father.

 

[Jw192]

Why is Debbie making such a big deal (or even pointing out) that her son is a Republican Trump supporter and that all her family are Republicans?

I don't think she's confused at all, More like saying: "Don't look at me, I'm not one of them!" Thus there may be a reason (justifiable or not) why her son is not answering her calls (which imo was another completely unnecessary comment in an attempt to distance). Just observation and speculation on my part

I think it may have something to do with the media portraying TR as a "far leftie" which would obviously confuse old nana, as she, her son TR's father and whole family are republicans so in her mind, maybe TR was by default also. She states that he never discussed politics with her and as much as I have stated that I'm not comfortable branding the shooter as a left or even right winger, I'm taking nans words about her grandson with a pinch of salt... My nan thought I was a prim and proper good band girl when in reality I used to nick off band to go spy on the hot guy who worked in the hairdressers!

 

[Chimera]

Just because somebody called CK a fascist or inspiring "Hitler Youth" does not make it true. That article, it makes it sound like Pastor Darrell Scott was simply jealous of CK.

Regardless, it is exactly that kind of talk that leads to people like Tyler Robinson taking up arms. Sad.

I wonder when we will learn more about how he was radicalized.

Bbm.
Pbm.

Re. the first bolded : Sounds accurate.
Charlie was able to draw in large crowds of vastly opposing opinions and allowed them both to debate him and was popular for doing so.
Going to be others who are envious.
If this was the case, which we don't know --it's sad, really.

Re. the purple bolded : Radicalized is a good term for how Tyler responded to ideas he decided he didn't like.
What a senseless way to waste his own life, at only twenty two years old !
Omo.

 

[the-professor]

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The father initially told Robinson to turn himself in. Robinson initially said no, but later changed his mind, officials said.

The father then called a youth pastor, who is also a U.S. Marshals task force officer. The officer advised the father to have Robinson stay in place.
...
What to know about Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk shooting suspect: How he was caught

Thank you for posting that.

The father recognized him from surveillance images released by authorities. This is what prompted the father to confront his son. To say Tyler turned himself in seems a bit dishonest to me. I would partially agree if Tyler called the police, but it doesn't sound like that. It sounds like he only surrendered. That said, I don't know what action "later changed his mind" means.

Who is Tyler Robinson, the suspect in custody for shooting Charlie Kirk?

 

[Skigh]

Why is Debbie making such a big deal (or even pointing out) that her son is a Republican Trump supporter and that all her family are Republicans?

I don't think she's confused at all, More like saying: "Don't look at me, I'm not one of them!" Thus there may be a reason (justifiable or not) why her son is not answering her calls (which imo was another completely unnecessary comment in an attempt to distance). Just observation and speculation on my part

She is probably in huge shock about what has happened and probably has not fully come to terms that it is her grandson who assassinated someone she supported and admired. She has more than likely seen articles about the shooter hating what Charlie believed and wanted to make it clear that was not her or other family members stance.
I would have nothing but huge sympathy for her at the moment .

 

[marloweclover]

Yes, Imo in the grandmother's mind he may still have been whoever he was as a child. He hadn't done anything visible from her point of view to disassociate with the views of his family of origin -- no stereotypical blue hair, he was enrolled in trade school, etc.

I think it may have something to do with the media portraying TR as a "far leftie" which would obviously confuse old nana, as she, her son TR's father and whole family are republicans so in her mind, maybe TR was by default also. She states that he never discussed politics with her and as much as I have stated that I'm not comfortable branding the shooter as a left or even right winger, I'm taking nans words about her grandson with a pinch of salt... My nan thought I was a prim and proper good band girl when in reality I used to nick off band to go spy on the hot guy who worked in the hairdressers!

 

[TMich6811]

Something may come out about the dad but right now I find him very commendable. I reserve the right to change my mind

 

[Jw192]

I also wonder about, mostly current, friends or girlfriends. I haven't seen any on TikTok yet. Maybe some will begin to share their stories in the future.

I'm super interested in the girlfriend topic... I'm betting nada

 

[KBlackRabbit]

Very well said and very insightful.

In the end, attempts to explain away, white wash or downplay the obvious and blatant political messaging (Fascist- catch, verses to an Italian song associated with left wing resistance, stated dislike of the victim's political messaging) are likely to come up short.

Im my opinion, such attempts are disrespectful to the victim. It is similar to speculating that this shooting was not truly based on hatred of Palestinians. Maybe the shooter was actually motivated by video games? Maybe the shooter confused Palestinian colors for Italian colors (both use red, white and green)? Maybe he had a mental psychosis? Maybe, Maybe......
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Assigning political motives without his own words, a manifesto, or anything else reliable is disrespectful to the process of justice.

 

[NottaYutz]

Because we have a new thread, I can’t respond to the post about the adolescent brain not maturing until age 25. To that poster, thank you for the information, and I am aware of that. However, I don’t care. Long before age 25, a person knows right from wrong and that there are consequences to their behavior.

(Just want to add that not bringing the post over, I have no doubt, is reflective of me not knowing how to do it, and not something being wrong with the WS site. )

JMO

That was me, and my comment was that the 25-year-old brain maturity was possibly why some people called him a kid, not that his brain maturity was an excuse for his actions. I agree about right and wrong, and I wonder how much of that is now blurred by the constant glorification of killing in films, TV shows, video games, and social media sites.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Dad turned in his son knowing he'll get the death penalty. Cold as ice, damn.

Very hard choice. Going old school where the parent is holding his child accountable for his act instead of denying and making excuses (thinking of Gabby Petito's killer's parents who aided their son after her murder) - heartbreaking for that father.

He maybe felt he had a duty to LE as many are his colleagues, friends and maybe other family of his has history of LE.

Not sure I could or would it but I would hope I would do the right thing. The father did the right thing. MOO

 

[bestill]

I'm super interested in the girlfriend topic... I'm betting nada

I am in agreement. I believe if there had been one in the picture that social media would have it by now. This is something a mother of three boys would love to be sharing, prom pics, date pics, etc...

 

[Serononin]

I agree. No depth of thought, no reasoned stance, no scholar of politics or history.

His education -- internet memes that are zero days old.

We may find he was simply looking for a public target.

Beyond senseless.

JMO

I can't help but wonder if part of it is that he saw the reaction Luigi Mangione got online, and thought killing a similarly divisive figure in a similar manner (complete with slogans on the bullet casings) would get him the same attention.

Or as you say, it could just be that he wanted to kill someone well-known and Kirk just happened to be holding an outdoor event within driving distance.

I imagine that once the press find his social media profiles (because I'd bet money he has several) we'll find out a lot more

 

[indicolite22]

Why is Debbie making such a big deal (or even pointing out) that her son is a Republican Trump supporter and that all her family are Republicans?

I don't think she's confused at all, more like saying: "Don't look at me, I'm not one of them!" Thus, there may be a reason (justifiable or not) why her son is not answering her calls (which imo was another completely unnecessary comment she made in an attempt to distance). Just observation and speculation on my part

I think the grandmother might be worried about the retaliation against the family.

 

[NyxNY]

Just because somebody called CK a fascist or inspiring "Hitler Youth" does not make it true. That article, it makes it sound like Pastor Darrell Scott was simply jealous of CK.

Regardless, it is exactly that kind of talk that leads to people like Tyler Robinson taking up arms. Sad.

I wonder when we will learn more about how he was radicalized.

Exactly. That is someone's opinion, and not at all a fact. Your second statement has more of a factual element to it than that article.