UT - Charlie Kirk Murdered on Utah College Stage *Arrest* #2

[NottaYutz]

Most of all my utmost condolences to Charlie's loved ones.
What a brutal loss.

At the very least the killer's family can see him and ask why why and maybe hire the best lawyer they can afford.
I feel for them as well, and from what information is out there it sounds like Tyler has younger siblings ?
What a storm he was brought onto them.
They will have to live with this and tbh, I don't see indications they deserved any of it.

Live updates: Charlie Kirk shooting suspect Tyler Robinson is in custody; family turned him in, Utah governor says

Conservative activist Charlie Kirk was shot and killed during an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday. Authorities said the shooting was a targeted attack.

www.nbcnews.com

Gov. Cox stated : "...Tyler claimed Charlie was 'spreading hate' ..."
I strongly disagree with the shooter.
Starting at about 1:30 in the video at the above link. ^^^

Gov. Cox goes on to describe what was inscribed on the bullets :
"...Bullets had hateful scrawls on them, including, “If you read this, you are gay LMAO” — and “Hey fascist! Catch!”...";
--aimed at the conservative debater.

Charlie's legacy which I hope will live on was to civilly discuss and debate and listen to both sides or all sides; he let people have their say and he was willing to listen to them.

Tyler is the one who committed a hateful act.
Imo

I just thought of something while reading this post. Why did he inscribe so many shell casings? Was he planning to shoot more than one person and then changed his mind?

 

[Dotta]

Dad turned in his son knowing he'll get the death penalty. Cold as ice, damn.

He couldn't do anything else since the son confessed.
Otherwise,
he might have been charged for obstruction of Justice.
Right?

JMO

 

[the-professor]

I just thought of something while reading this post. Why did he inscribe so many shell casings? Was he planning to shoot more than one person and then changed his mind?

If he missed the first shot, he would have additional rounds.

 

[GatorFL]

I think his views on that are relevant to this case. It could be a reason why 'fascist' was written on a bullet.

This is what Tricia said
"*IF YOU BRING UP KIRK's POLITICAL VIEWS AS A POSSIBLE MOTIVE, YOU MUST POST A LINK FROM A MAINSTREAM MEDIA SITE THAT BACKS UP KIRK'S VIEWS. YOU CAN'T JUST SAY "HERE IS WHAT KIRK BELIEVED."

The poster you quoted provided a link to his views.

There was no MSM link on the post I quoted.

 

[GA_Peach]

That could be said by many in this very discussion, But I doubt any of them believe in assassination over ideals, values or politics (or for any purpose). JMO

There's one huge difference. No one on this thread acted on those feelings. TR allegedly did.

It's just crazy to me that someone who did not agree with Charlie Kirk's values, ideals, and politics targeted and assassinated him, and yet, we have to pretend like we have no idea what what possibly could have motivated him.

Tyler Robinson's Discord messages and dark online footprint

Tyler Robinson is alleged to have discussed the aftermath of killing Kirk on the app Discord, mentioning how he had inscribed the bullets with political messages.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[justtrish]

The last part is sad to read.

"Debbie said her son hasn't answered her calls since the news broke on Robinson's identity as the suspect in Kirk's assassination."

I feel bad for her. But I also understand both legally and emotionally why dad wouldnt want or can't handle talking to her right now.

I wonder if people realize before they do something awful that their family will be profoundly hurt and heartbroken too (and in some cases damaged)

I am wondering if he is talking with LE also and maybe he doesn't have his phone? Maybe he handed it over to be downloaded to provide full transparency? Maybe he wants to speak to her in person vs on the phone. Sad for all of them.

 

[NuttMegg]

I just thought of something while reading this post. Why did he inscribe so many shell casings? Was he planning to shoot more than one person and then changed his mind?

I figured it was in case he missed Kirk the first time.

 

[Sarahlou]

There was no MSM link on the post I quoted.

There is. But here's another that backs it up

Charlie Kirk in his own words: ‘prowling Blacks’ and ‘the great replacement strategy’

The far-right commentator didn’t pull his punches when discussing his bigoted views on current events

www.theguardian.com

 

[tara83]

There's one huge difference. No one on this thread acted on those feelings. TR allegedly did.

It's just crazy to me that someone who did not agree with Charlie Kirk's values, ideals, and politics targeted and assassinated him, and yet, we have to pretend like we have no idea what what possibly could have motivated him.

But it's really not so black and white. The words on those casing don't seem to go along with some huge political views. More like an immature,attention seeking moron living in an internet gamer fantasy.

 

[Chimera]

I just thought of something while reading this post. Why did he inscribe so many shell casings? Was he planning to shoot more than one person and then changed his mind?

Hmmm.... possible ?

Two points I wanted to make :
(1) Just for the future, I wish any and all open air events could have better security, just for that event. Wouldn't have to be permanent.
Plan for a possible incident.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, and all that.
No college, gov. or any other LE want this tragedy to fall on their event !!

(2) Thankful T.R. didn't target more. He had the advantage so much so -- that he was able to run and climb down that roof, completely undetected save for the security cameras !
Smh.
Imo.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

There's one huge difference. No one on this thread acted on those feelings. TR allegedly did.

It's just crazy to me that someone who did not agree with Charlie Kirk's values, ideals, and politics targeted and assassinated him, and yet, we have to pretend like we have no idea what what possibly could have motivated him.

Tyler Robinson's Discord messages and dark online footprint

Tyler Robinson is alleged to have discussed the aftermath of killing Kirk on the app Discord, mentioning how he had inscribed the bullets with political messages.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I think, respectfully, you might be missing the point some of the other posters are making. Even if we agree the shooting was politically motivated and not, say, for notoriety like with Trump's would-be shooter, there’s still a lot we don’t know. We don’t fully understand which specific aspects of Charlie Kirk’s ideology or politics the shooter disagreed with, or what particular elements might have motivated the shooting. It’s important to acknowledge what we don't know, before jumping to conclusions about the shooter’s exact motivations or personal beliefs.

MOO

 

[Jw192]

I just thought of something while reading this post. Why did he inscribe so many shell casings? Was he planning to shoot more than one person and then changed his mind?

Maybe he thought he was gonna need more than one shot. I believe he also wrote that edge lord meme stuff on them "for the lulz" I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't take pics of them on his phone and either send or plan to send them to his divvy tinternet discord mates

 

[Deleted member 370998]

I doubt this guy would go that deep into Italian history.

From what I understand the song is used in the video game Hearts of Iron 4.

The killer had the specific words from the anti-fascist song "Oh bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao, ciao, ciao" written.

The killer also had another Inscription: Hey fascist! Catch!

 

[Serononin]

Whoa...

It is possible to have immense sympathy and compassion for someone, yet still want them to do the right thing.

Especially as a parent, the unconditional love for your child should mean wanting them to grow into a better person, neither hating them because they are imperfect, nor indulging them in their harmful behaviour.

Purely pragmatically speaking, with his background I'm sure the guy knew that the only real chance his son had of maybe avoiding the death penalty would be to turn himself in lawyer up ASAP

 

[the-professor]

Interestingly, with the casings... I believe LE mentioned the spent casing was still in the rifle. If he wanted to leave a message, why wouldn't he have left the casing on the rooftop? If he wanted a friend to retrieve the rifle, what was his plan?

 

[tara83]

The killer had the specific words from the anti-fascist song "Oh bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao, ciao, ciao" written.

The killer also had another Inscription: Hey fascist! Catch!

Those are well known in the game world and the netflix show.

 

[GatorFL]

Interestingly, with the casings... I believe LE mentioned the spent casing was still in the rifle. If he wanted to leave a message, why wouldn't he have left the casing on the rooftop? If he wanted a friend to retrieve the rifle, what was his plan?

Mike Tyson said it best. "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."

Whatever plan TR had, I'm sure the second after he saw CK fall back his instinct was to run.

I really hope Utah publishes interviews with him someday.

 

[dmac55]

I think, respectfully, you might be missing the point some of the other posters are making. Even if we agree the shooting was politically motivated and not, say, for notoriety like with Trump's would-be shooter, there’s still a lot we don’t know. We don’t fully understand which specific aspects of Charlie Kirk’s ideology or politics the shooter disagreed with, or what particular elements might have motivated the shooting. It’s important to acknowledge what we don't know, before jumping to conclusions about the shooter’s exact motivations or personal beliefs.

MOO

So important.

 

[justtrish]

Something may come out about the dad but right now I find him very commendable. I reserve the right to change my mind

I agree. It seems as soon as he knew, he acted. The video was released and if he was arrested last night about 10pm, then I'd say it was within an hour or two he had confronted his son, called the friend, and they had him in custody. I am sure it was not easy as a father, but at the same time as a LEO it likely was very easy to know what the right thing to do was and he did it so for that I commend him.

 

[K.jill]

I just thought of something while reading this post. Why did he inscribe so many shell casings? Was he planning to shoot more than one person and then changed his mind?

Perhaps he just thought that writing on the bullets was… clever in his mind. Maybe he had several things he wanted to write down?