UT - Charlie Kirk Murdered on Utah College Stage *Arrest* #2

[Deleted member 370998]

I can't read that article as it's behind a pay wall, however here is a MSM article which mentions the Hey fascist catch casing which also contained the sequence of arrows.
The arrows match up perfectly to a sequence you have to put in on Helldivers 2 to drop an eagle bomb... It's a pretty unique and well known arrow sequence to players of HD2

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charlie-kirk-tyler-robinson-bullet-casings-messages-1.7632442

The CBC quotes the same man Cox as my linked NYTimes article. He says the arrows are from a game but that the Hey fascist catch! is not, it is politically motivated.

 

[GatorFL]

Regarding security, we know CK had a team close to him.

How hard would it be for a security team to have a drone overhead monitoring far away places for potential threats?

 

[Jinkasaurus]

"The concept of the “Pathway to Violence” was developed by Frederick Calhoun and Steve Weston in 2003. As I wrote in the piece on the attack cycle, people “don‘t just snap” and conduct a terrorist attack or other acts of targeted violence. Attacks are the result of a discernable process, a process Calhoun and Weston’s model divides into six steps."

full article: Where the Attack Cycle Intersects the Pathway to Violence - TorchStone Global

 

[Jade]

Sharing NYTimes article.

Charlie Kirk Shooting Live Updates: Family Member Alerted Officials to Suspect

JMVHO.

Thanks for sharing the NYT article.

Beau Mason, Utah’s public safety commissioner, said the 22-year-old accused of Charlie Kirk’s killing surrendered to law enforcement officers at a sheriff’s office in southwest Utah. “When our investigators got down there, they were able to peacefully make contact with him and move through that process of making the arrest,” Mason said in an interview. “He was very compliant with that.” Mason added that the suspect’s family “did a great job of helping him come to a positive resolution to turn himself in.”

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/09/12/us/charlie-kirk-news-suspect?unlocked_article_code=1.lU8.9CVu.jxrZsA5zSWtT&smid=url-share


all imo

 

[justtrish]

Entitled. This is a good point, I think. Robinson had a presidential scholarship to study at Utah State, which sounds like quite an achievement to me, but then drops out/gets kicked out after half a year. He's spent the last three years training to be an electrician. I rather doubt that five years ago he imagined that he'd end up working as a sparky. We may well find out that the catalyst for Robinson disappearing down whatever rabbit hole he's diasappeared down is an inability to cope with the fact that his life didn't pan out as planned and blaming others for what he perceives as his misfortune.

Sadly, he may not see it, but he was living the American dream. He had a great family, a roof over his head, a car, and a path toward a career to support himself. He had options, so many options. He had the ability to work and go back to school if he wasn't working in an area he really wanted to, he was able bodied and had support from what seems to be a loving family who had meals together (re: discussing at dinner his dislike for CK). It's just sad that this young man not only took out a man who was speaking to young people and encouraging them to talk to one another about their differences and to discuss topics, not use violence and so on, but he took out himself from society also. He was a young man who could have had a bright future and now he's removed from society, and another family has to live without their husband and father.

 

[MrsWatson]

The CBC quotes the same man Cox as my linked NYTimes article. He says the arrows are from a game but that the Hey fascist catch! is not, it is politically motivated.

That's Cox's opinion, and Cox hasn't interviewed the suspect and has no idea what the suspect meant, imo.

 

[bringmeacupoft]

It could be something other than the death penalty. IMO it was only a matter of time before a whole platoon of armed police officers tracked down TR. Maybe his dad figured it would be best to turn him in vs a suicide by cop situation? Police tread pretty lightly when a perp has already killed somebody.

Agreed on your second point, hard to know what you would do and thankfully most of us won't have to do something like this.

Early reporting had dad as a police officer but later reporting said that was in error.

Who is Tyler Robinson's father? Matt Robinson helped turn in Kirk suspect

Tyler Robinson's father reportedly assisted in capturing the alleged gunman taken into custody for the killing of Charlie Kirk.

www.newsweek.com

Very common names in this case all around.

That was the rationale actually for some people was the want to avoid a ‘shoot out’ or suicide by cop kind of situation and doing a regular visit to prison was preferable to this outcome.

 

[Deleted member 370998]

"The concept of the “Pathway to Violence” was developed by Frederick Calhoun and Steve Weston in 2003. As I wrote in the piece on the attack cycle, people “don‘t just snap” and conduct a terrorist attack or other acts of targeted violence. Attacks are the result of a discernable process, a process Calhoun and Weston’s model divides into six steps."


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full article: Where the Attack Cycle Intersects the Pathway to Violence - TorchStone Global

Very interesting. Thank you.

 

[the-professor]

Regarding security, we know CK had a team close to him.

How hard would it be for a security team to have a drone overhead monitoring far away places for potential threats?

Might become standard now. However local laws will influence the use of the drones.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

DBM

It was a different article that I cannot recall if it was linked here or not

Edit 2 - yah it was here, a page back posted by @Sarahlou and mentions women

Charlie Kirk in his own words: ‘prowling Blacks’ and ‘the great replacement strategy’

The far-right commentator didn’t pull his punches when discussing his bigoted views on current events

www.theguardian.com

I did not know about Charlie Kirk at all. My millennial son knew everything about him.

I did know Tyler Robinson at all. But a lot of people and family in Utah do.

We want to know EVERYTHING about Tyler.
But more and more people are wanting to learn MORE and MORE about Charlie too.

So far I know NOTHING about what MOTIVATED either one.

Sadly, I just see so so much hate.
Sadly, we are going to all have to understand a lot more about hate.

It not only killed an innocent father and "Public Speaker" (I see no other profession),
but it's killing America too.

 

[tlcya]

There's one huge difference. No one on this thread acted on those feelings. TR allegedly did.

It's just crazy to me that someone who did not agree with Charlie Kirk's values, ideals, and politics targeted and assassinated him, and yet, we have to pretend like we have no idea what what possibly could have motivated him.

I don't think anyone has stated we have to pretend as if we have no idea what may have motivated him. That is what is being discussed here, in a factual, respectful, link based manner. We aren't all going to en masse agree about much of anything, let alone what the sum of the shooter's motives were. Just as we all won't en masse agree about the victim or his ideals and values.

But these sorts of discussion are very necessary in light of recent events. Especially now. Because the ability to respectfully disagree is perhaps more important in the long run, than all of us reaching a conclusion we can agree upon.

Charlie Kirk, like him or dislike him, stated his purpose was to further conversation and debate about our differences. This discussion can't help but reflect those differences JMO

 

[tara83]

That's Cox's opinion, and Cox hasn't interviewed the suspect and has no idea what the suspect meant, imo.

He actually made statements like that before it was even known who the suspect was and arrest was made..

 

[Jade]

I am not basing any of my thoughts off the shell casings.

Law enforcement has stated that TR did not like Charlie Kirk's political views. I think that it so incredibily disrespectful and dangerous to ignore the political aspect of his assassination. It is not jumping to conclusions. As reported by law enforecement, the suspect who poliitcally assassinated Charlie Kirk did not agree with his political ideology. It's pretty black and white.

For the record, political assassination is law enforcement's description of the crime. I am merely echoing their description.

Suspect in Charlie Kirk assassination expressed opposition to conservative activist's views

The man accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk had expressed opposition to the conservative activist’s viewpoints and indicated that he was responsible for the shooting.

apnews.com

BBM

Do you have a source for the quote that LE is classifying it a political assassination'? I've only seen Cox quoted.

...

Kirk was killed by a single shot in what police said was a targeted attack and the governor called a political assassination.

....
Suspect in Charlie Kirk assassination expressed opposition to conservative activist's views

all imo

 

[Arkay]

Law enforcement has stated that TR did not like Charlie Kirk's political views. I think that it so incredibily disrespectful and dangerous to ignore the political aspect of his assassination. It is not jumping to conclusions. As reported by law enforecement, the suspect who poliitcally assassinated Charlie Kirk did not agree with his political ideology. It's pretty black and white.

This seems overtly obvious, IMO but also because LE surmises the same, at this point.

A very brief overview shows this throughout history. It’s why the Roman senators killed Julius Caesar. It’s why John Wilkes Booth killed Lincoln due to his emancipating the slaves. It’s why the ArchDuke Franz Ferdinand was assassinated, which brought forth WWI. It’s why Oswald killed JFK over Communism. It’s why MLK was killed over Civil Rights.

Political differences that most people just absorb, but some act upon in the most grievous fashion.

Maybe a thousand other examples, but nowadays with the Internet someone can gain an invisible audience applauding their every twisted thought. You can be the hero (though in reality the anti-hero) to your entire like-minded tribe online.

J

 

[StackEye476]

So important.

Well what are the range of possibilities?

1. Ideologically motivated; he killed Charlie because he disagreed with him. Seems the most obvious. And what all the talk of the 'bullet' etching and supposed comments from family saying he 'didn't like Charlie Kirk' suggest.
2. Failure to start Scenario/Desire for Infamy in lieu of a life/mental illness. More like the would be Trump PA shooter.
3. Nhilistic 'for sport'; columbine style. Different type of mental illness.
4. False Flag? Someone who agreed with Kirk but killed him anyway for the 'effect' (see this as far least likely; not least because he must know if he got caught it backfires completely)

I don't see any other possible motives and this all seemed to well thought out and planned to think there was no motive at all.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I am in agreement. I believe if there had been one in the picture that social media would have it by now. This is something a mother of three boys would love to be sharing, prom pics, date pics, etc...

Unfortunately I too am thinking incel type.... MOO

 

[Jw192]

Regarding security, we know CK had a team close to him.

How hard would it be for a security team to have a drone overhead monitoring far away places for potential threats?

I believe it was stated that CK had security with him that were prepared for close range incidents, people lobbing stuff etc... but they didn't have the budget for like far out security.
CK remember was a political influencer. He wasn't an elected official nor was he a politician. I don't think they anticipated violence of that magnitude unfortunately.

Hopefully lessons have been learnt

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I am not basing any of my thoughts off the shell casings.

Law enforcement has stated that TR did not like Charlie Kirk's political views. I think that it so incredibily disrespectful and dangerous to ignore the political aspect of his assassination. It is not jumping to conclusions. As reported by law enforecement, the suspect who poliitcally assassinated Charlie Kirk did not agree with his political ideology. It's pretty black and white.

For the record, political assassination is law enforcement's description of the crime. I am merely echoing their description.

Suspect in Charlie Kirk assassination expressed opposition to conservative activist's views

The man accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk had expressed opposition to the conservative activist’s viewpoints and indicated that he was responsible for the shooting.

apnews.com

I don't think anything is being 'ignored', nor do I find it disrespectful to discuss potential motivations to commit a crime. It's kind of what we do here on WS. We are free to have differing opinions. I have only said that this is likely not 'black and white'.

 

[technicallymissing]

20 min ago

US military services say the suspect did not serve​

BY KONSTANTIN TOROPIN

Tyler Robinson has no affiliation with the military, officials from all the military services have confirmed.

Live updates: Suspect in assassination of Charlie Kirk arrested on suspicion of capital murder, weapons and obstruction offenses

The suspect in custody in connection with the assassination of Charlie Kirk is 22-year-old Tyler Robinson from Utah, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press.

apnews.com

I’m not surprised by this. I was wondering from the beginning if the shirt he chose to wear was meant to be ironic or some kind of odd joke… clearly he has a strange sense of humor if you could even call it that.

 

[JennieM]

45m ago

Discord says they have 'no evidence' that lead suspect used messaging app to plan Kirk shooting​

Earlier today, Utah governor Spencer Cox said that investigators found several messages they believe Tyler Robinson sent via Discord – the messaging app frequently used by gamers – about the shooting at Utah Valley University, where Charlie Kirk was fatally shot.

Officials said that Robinson’s roommate showed them the messages.

Cox said that the contact, named ‘Tyler’ discussed the following details on the app:

• A need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point.
• Leaving the rifle in a bush.
• Messages related to visually watching the area where a rifle was left.
• A message referring to having left the rifle wrapped in a towel.
• A message that referred to engraving bullets, and a mention of a scope and the rifle being unique.
• Messages from Robinson which also mentioned that he had changed outfits.

A Discord spokesperson told the Guardian that throughout the course of their own investigation they found an account associated with the suspect. However, they “have found no evidence that the suspect planned this incident or promoted violence on Discord”.

The spokesperson added that:

The messages referenced in recent reporting about planning details do not appear to be Discord messages. These were communications between the suspect’s roommate and a friend after the shooting, where the roommate was recounting the contents of a note the suspect had left elsewhere.

Discord said they have removed the suspect’s account and “will continue to coordinate closely with law enforcement”, expressing sympathy to the Kirk family and all those affected.

Charlie Kirk shooting latest: Utah governor confirms identity of suspect and says family friend turned him in

Spencer Cox says Tyler Robinson, 22, told family friend he had shot Kirk; FBI director says suspect was taken into custody on Thursday evening

www.theguardian.com