UT - Charlie Kirk Murdered on Utah College Stage *Arrest*

[StackEye476]

The box is bizarre as well. I'm sure we've all seen enough crime scene/evidence pictures to know that they photograph the weapon as it was found... It was found in its/a box?! The shooter carried the rifle into a wooded area and popped it in a box that was already there? Like why would the crime scene tecs pick up the rifle and place it in a box for photos? I've never seen that before. The feds stated the weapon was wrapped in a towel - where is the towel in the image?
Also, when was the weapon discovered does anybody know? It seems dark in the photo and like a flash has been used, or a torch... I thought they found it in daylight hours a few hours after the midday shooting? Maybe the trees make it seem darker, I dunno.

Who actually released the photo of the rifle that the media are reporting? Was it the feds? I have only seen them describe the weapon used and I've seen a lot of people with much more knowledge than myself of firearms, state that the weapon in the picture doesn't match the rifle in a box image that is in the media

MOO

I'm not convinced the photo from the Newyork post is the actual gun; Newyork post is a bit of sensationalist unreliable tabloid. No other news source has published that photo but the FBI did confirm the model of the gun so maybe they just put that photo up for the clicks/views.

 

[MrsWatson]

The box is bizarre as well. I'm sure we've all seen enough crime scene/evidence pictures to know that they photograph the weapon as it was found... It was found in its/a box?! The shooter carried the rifle into a wooded area and popped it in a box that was already there? Like why would the crime scene tecs pick up the rifle and place it in a box for photos? I've never seen that before. The feds stated the weapon was wrapped in a towel - where is the towel in the image?
Also, when was the weapon discovered does anybody know? It seems dark in the photo and like a flash has been used, or a torch... I thought they found it in daylight hours a few hours after the midday shooting? Maybe the trees make it seem darker, I dunno.

Who actually released the photo of the rifle that the media are reporting? Was it the feds? I have only seen them describe the weapon used and I've seen a lot of people with much more knowledge than myself of firearms, state that the weapon in the picture doesn't match the rifle in a box image that is in the media

MOO

I think that cardboard box was an evidence box and the photo was taken after the rifle was examined.

 

[Jw192]

I'm not convinced the photo from the Newyork post is the actual gun; Newyork post is a bit of sensationalist unreliable tabloid. No other news source has published that photo but the FBI did confirm the model of the gun so maybe they just put that photo up for the clicks/views.

That's gotta be it. If the feds or direct LE haven't released the image of the rifle and clearly state that it is the rifle they recovered, then I'm not buying it.

 

[Jw192]

I think that cardboard box was an evidence box and the photo was taken after the rifle was examined.

A possibility but I've not seen that in other shooting cases where the murder weapon is taken out of the towel it was found wrapped in, placed in an evidence box and then photographed. The scene photographs come BEFORE an item is moved from its position and then the item is further photographed in a lab iirc - maybe someone can weigh in here.

I don't believe that the image the NYP has published is the weapon that LE recovered personally

MOO

 

[snooptroop88]

Building where person in video was on the roof is the Losee Center, I guess it's like the student support center where students could get academic counseling, tutoring, health/mental health services, etc. (Apologies if already in the thread.) UVU evolved over the years into a university, it began as a technical school, eventually community college, college, university. Seeing this:

Student saw man on roof: A Utah Valley student told CNN they saw a man walking on or near the roof of the Losee Center twice in two weeks. The student called the man’s behavior “weird” and said a professor who was also there called out to ask if the man was okay

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/charlie-kirk-shot-utah-death-09-12-25

 

[Jw192]

IMO, the triangle is the opposite direction View attachment 614156

Possibly a montirex logo also maybe?

Deffo looks like an Adidas logo on suspects cap though IMO

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[Marantz4250b]

Nothing nearly so extravagant required. Army snipers are trained for shots up to 1,500 meters out, this shot was was only 133 meters. Even marines are trained to be effective at 500 meters.

Someone could have attained this proficiency just in the months since Trump was elected in my opinion. One thing I thought that was interesting though; almost looks like he has minor cauliflower ear. Which suggests someone who wrestles, boxes, or does martial arts.

I'm a firearms dealer and I operate shooting clubs. 133 metres is nothing. We could train a raw novice to hit someone at that distance in a couple of hours, an afternoon at most.

 

[Jw192]

I'm a firearms dealer and I operate shooting clubs. 133 metres is nothing. We could train a raw novice to his someone at that distance in a couple of hours, an afternoon at most.

What's your opinion on the shooter firing only one shot, Marantz?

 

[Marantz4250b]

Thanks, it was very strange how the flight took off an hour after the shooting and turned off its transponders, with what you said in your post he could quite easily have been on that plane. Unlikely to be able to afford to charter a private jet at his age unless he has wealthy parents, which could mean if he was on board he had accomplices/was a hitman for someone else

Do you have a link to this because I simply don't believe it. Private jets don't just go turning their transponders off. If it did do that then it would raise massive flags as to them doing something dodgy.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Not sure, but according to various new sources that does appears to be the correct model rifle, "The Wall Street Journal and New York Times, citing law-enforcement sources, reported it was an older model Mauser .30-06 caliber bolt action rifle."

Very ordinary and common hunting rifle and cartridge combination.

 

[GatorFL]

I think he might have military training, in the military you are trained to jump from height and land safely plus he was so precise with his shooting from distance and the fact he let off just one shot would suggest he is cool and calculating

I still think back to that private jet that took off an hour after the shooting and turned off its transponders, does anyone here have experience of private jets? do you have to show passports or any ID etc like at regular airport terminals? do you have to go through security? might explain why he ditched the gun if he was boarding a private jet

I've flown private a number of times. No, you don't present ID or anything. No security. As long as the pilot knows who you are, you're on. If you're going international you do have to go through customs but that's typically a VIP area, in and out in minutes.

 

[Marantz4250b]

"The FBI earlier said they found a high-powered firearm - an imported Mauser .30-06 bolt action rifle - wrapped in a towel in a wooded area."

Charlie Kirk: What we know about fatal shooting of conservative US activist

The FBI releases new pictures of a "person of interest" as a large manhunt is under way for the suspect.

www.bbc.com

I dislike it intensely when they use phrases like ..."high-powered firearm...". There simply isn't a definition of "High Powered", it just sounds more sensational. The .30-06 cartridge isn't "high power" compared to many.

 

[Marantz4250b]

What's your opinion on the shooter firing only one shot, Marantz?

He hit him with the first shot. No need for a second.

 

[BrianJohnson]

Do you have a link to this because I simply don't believe it. Private jets don't just go turning their transponders off. If it did do that then it would raise massive flags as to them doing something dodgy.

FBI grilled over airport close to Charlie Kirk hit as jet 'vanishes'

Kirk, 31, was gunned down on Wednesday while speaking at a university event in Orem, Utah. Authorities failed to close off the airspace surrounding Provo Airport.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[snooptroop88]

Possibly a montirex logo also maybe?
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Deffo looks like an Adidas logo on suspects cap though IMO

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From hat, What's inside the triangle? Can anyone enhance? That doesn't look like the Aidas triangle here. But I mean it probably is, the quality on these is not good. Looking at it from a distance, I was sure that was what it was, too, so I'm still assuming Adidas at this point. But I wish I could get it sharper on a blow up just to be sure.

 

[Elley Mae]

Do you have a link to this because I simply don't believe it. Private jets don't just go turning their transponders off. If it did do that then it would raise massive flags as to them doing something dodgy.

Off topic but i do not believe it’s related.

Private Jet That Took Off From Utah After Charlie Kirk Assassination Disappears Mid-Flight Sparking Suspicion

A private jet left Provo Airport, which is a 15-minute drive from where the conservative commentator was shot, and dropped off from tracking software.

www.latintimes.com

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[Hexe]

I wonder if its possible this POI is an international student? A long shot I know but just throwing it out there.

Very long. Charlie Kirk is not very well known outside of the US.

 

[Jw192]

He hit him with the first shot. No need for a second.

I walked into that one.

I just personally think the one shot tells us something about the shooter. Like I said in a previous post, I can't recall any "public assassination" where a shooter has fired one single shot from a decent distance. Like say this suspect IS a bog standard young college aged lad with amateur or even regular training and experience of shooting (like many are saying that's all it would take to commit this act) I would think that being up on a roof, likely boiling hot under the sun, you're aiming at a moving HUMAN target (when you've only experienced shooting artificial targets before, or even animal) under a tarp tent... you're surrounded by thousands of people in front of you, it's noisy as heckkkk... Your heart would be pounding and I would think that to only fire ONE shot, as opposed to the usual pew pew pew, you've gotta be pretty damn confident and calm in spite of all of the above factors, no?

I just can't shake the one single shot thing off

 

[ldlager]

The box is bizarre as well. I'm sure we've all seen enough crime scene/evidence pictures to know that they photograph the weapon as it was found... It was found in its/a box?! The shooter carried the rifle into a wooded area and popped it in a box that was already there? Like why would the crime scene tecs pick up the rifle and place it in a box for photos? I've never seen that before. The feds stated the weapon was wrapped in a towel - where is the towel in the image?
Also, when was the weapon discovered does anybody know? It seems dark in the photo and like a flash has been used, or a torch... I thought they found it in daylight hours a few hours after the midday shooting? Maybe the trees make it seem darker, I dunno.

Who actually released the photo of the rifle that the media are reporting? Was it the feds? I have only seen them describe the weapon used and I've seen a lot of people with much more knowledge than myself of firearms, state that the weapon in the picture doesn't match the rifle in a box image that is in the media

MOO

I am sure LE put it in the box to transport it. Seems logical to me

 

[Inthedetails]

Welp, I think we can make one sure conclusion - this wasn't a suicide-by-cop situation.

And that does give some insight to who this guy is, imo. He has a life he wanted to keep, and I'm guessing a comfortable life. He is more like Luigi than a school shooter, for example. My opinion

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