UT - Kouri Richins, 33, Author, wife, mom, charged in husband’s unexpected death last year, May 2023 #3
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Kouri is talking to Ronald Darden on the phone. He tells her that nothing came out of her side but a lot came out of the other side. Kouri says, "I just went in for a consultation. That was it. So why is that so bad? Am I misunderstanding something?" Darden says they are probably trying to hold something against her. She responds that he did it first. Darden says he did it first and took action on it illegally. Darden says "that person" is probably about to be brought in. Kouri says she told "that person" she didn't want to fill out the packet, but the lady told her she had to fill out the packet.
Kouri says that anything she did, Eric did, so they cancel themselves out "you f$$$$$ idiots." Kouri says she's going to ask if she (referring to another woman) can testify. Kouri says she's annoyed. They talk back and forth. Call is over. Next witness is Becky Lloyd.
Lloyd works for C&E Stone Masonry. She is the estimator. She has been with the company for five years. She was hired as an admin. in February 2021. She met Eric in 2017. Lloyd met Kouri around the same time. In 2021, Llord knew Kouri as a neighbor, a friend and the mother of her kids' friends.
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Kouri says that anything she did, Eric did, so they cancel themselves out "you f$$$$$ idiots." Kouri says she's going to ask if she (referring to another woman) can testify. Kouri says she's annoyed. They talk back and forth. Call is over. Next witness is Becky Lloyd.
Lloyd works for C&E Stone Masonry. She is the estimator. She has been with the company for five years. She was hired as an admin. in February 2021. She met Eric in 2017. Lloyd met Kouri around the same time. In 2021, Llord knew Kouri as a neighbor, a friend and the mother of her kids' friends.
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I will never understand how a dead victim's words are hearsay and how a defendant's own words can be too prejudicial.
I understand the legal principles but I hate when victims' voices are silenced and defendants' voices are protected.
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I understand the legal principles but I hate when victims' voices are silenced and defendants' voices are protected.
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NEXT WITNESS: Becky Lloyd, C&E Stone Masonry; worked there for 5 years.
Becky is recalling a conversation from 2021 where she said Kouri felt trapped in her relationship with Eric and it would be better if Eric was dead.
Kouri's reaction
Becky is recalling a conversation from 2021 where she said Kouri felt trapped in her relationship with Eric and it would be better if Eric was dead.
Kouri's reaction
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KR didn't want to fill out the packet -- can you imagine if she had? Truthfully. All that debt? Not wonder she was representing she just wanted out, didn't want anything (huh?).
What made her angry IMO is that she couldn't divorce ER without disclosing her financial mess.
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Ooooo Defense quickly goes down and dirty.
Wants to impeach the witness.
Wants to impeach the witness.
10:46 a.m. Lloyd works for C&E Stone Masonry. She is the estimator. She has been with the company for five years. She was hired as an admin. in February 2021. She met Eric in 2017. Lloyd met Kouri around the same time. In 2021, Llord knew Kouri as a neighbor, a friend and the mother of her kids’ friends.
10:43 a.m. Kouri says that anything she did, Eric did, so they cancel themselves out “you f$$$$$ idiots.” Kouri says she’s going to ask if she (referring to another woman) can testify. Kouri says she’s annoyed. They talk back and forth. Call is over. Next witness is Becky Lloyd.
10:41 a.m. Kouri is talking to Ronald Darden on the phone. He tells her that nothing came out of her side but a lot came out of the other side. Kouri says, “I just went in for a consultation. That was it. So why is that so bad? Am I misunderstanding something?” Darden says they are probably trying to hold something against her. She responds that he did it first. Darden says he did it first and took action on it illegally. Darden says “that person” is probably about to be brought in. Kouri says she told “that person” she didn’t want to fill out the packet, but the lady told her she had to fill out the packet.
10:40 a.m. Jury is back in the courtroom. Judge tells jurors they are about to hear a phone call from Dec. 18, 2023, and they can consider Kouri’s statements on the call for any purpose. They can not consider the statements made by the male voice on the call.
10:30 a.m. Prosecution asks if the date of the call can be told to the jury. Defense objects. Kouri was in jail at the time of the call. Judge will allow the date to be said.
10:25 a.m. Chervenak explains the beginning of the call helps paint a picture of Kouri’s state of mind and is relevant to the situation. She says it’s important context to the call and starting it halfway through would be confusing. Judge says the call will start at page 4 – not from the beginning.
10:22 a.m. Court is back in session. Jury remains outside of the courtroom. Judge asks Lewis if she and Chervenak have reached an agreement on redactions. Lewis says there has been a partial agreement. State agrees to redact the end portion of the call, but wants the beginning to remain. Lewis does not want it included.
10:43 a.m. Kouri says that anything she did, Eric did, so they cancel themselves out “you f$$$$$ idiots.” Kouri says she’s going to ask if she (referring to another woman) can testify. Kouri says she’s annoyed. They talk back and forth. Call is over. Next witness is Becky Lloyd.
10:41 a.m. Kouri is talking to Ronald Darden on the phone. He tells her that nothing came out of her side but a lot came out of the other side. Kouri says, “I just went in for a consultation. That was it. So why is that so bad? Am I misunderstanding something?” Darden says they are probably trying to hold something against her. She responds that he did it first. Darden says he did it first and took action on it illegally. Darden says “that person” is probably about to be brought in. Kouri says she told “that person” she didn’t want to fill out the packet, but the lady told her she had to fill out the packet.
10:40 a.m. Jury is back in the courtroom. Judge tells jurors they are about to hear a phone call from Dec. 18, 2023, and they can consider Kouri’s statements on the call for any purpose. They can not consider the statements made by the male voice on the call.
10:30 a.m. Prosecution asks if the date of the call can be told to the jury. Defense objects. Kouri was in jail at the time of the call. Judge will allow the date to be said.
10:25 a.m. Chervenak explains the beginning of the call helps paint a picture of Kouri’s state of mind and is relevant to the situation. She says it’s important context to the call and starting it halfway through would be confusing. Judge says the call will start at page 4 – not from the beginning.
10:22 a.m. Court is back in session. Jury remains outside of the courtroom. Judge asks Lewis if she and Chervenak have reached an agreement on redactions. Lewis says there has been a partial agreement. State agrees to redact the end portion of the call, but wants the beginning to remain. Lewis does not want it included.
Nate Eaton, EastIdahoNews.com
Lovely that Kouri is in black and white stripes today. Soon those stripes will be horizontal.
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That threatened impeachment bombed.
Cross-exam from Kathy Nester.
Nester is asking Lloyd about an interview with a private investigator about the 'Eric was dead' statement made prior.
Nester would like to impeach the witness by playing some audio.
Lloyd looks at Kouri. Deep breath and pours some water.
"We're not going to admit it; we're just going to impeach with it." - Nester says regarding the audio clip.
Audio clip played is Lloyd speaking to the investigator. She says she doesn't feel confident saying it 'for certain' if she took the stand.
Well - She's on the stand right now.
Nester looks at Wendy Lewis as she ends cross-examination with a smirk.
Defense plans to call Lloyd during their witness examination.
Re-exam with Lindsey Chervenak - Lloyd says "I was struck because she said it out loud."
Nester is back.
Nester is asking Lloyd about an interview with a private investigator about the 'Eric was dead' statement made prior.
Nester would like to impeach the witness by playing some audio.
Lloyd looks at Kouri. Deep breath and pours some water.
"We're not going to admit it; we're just going to impeach with it." - Nester says regarding the audio clip.
Audio clip played is Lloyd speaking to the investigator. She says she doesn't feel confident saying it 'for certain' if she took the stand.
Well - She's on the stand right now.
Nester looks at Wendy Lewis as she ends cross-examination with a smirk.
Defense plans to call Lloyd during their witness examination.
Re-exam with Lindsey Chervenak - Lloyd says "I was struck because she said it out loud."
Nester is back.
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Defense is floundering. My goodness, they sound like mean girls trying to settle KR's issues.
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11:05 a.m. Chervenak follows up. “When Kouri Richins told you it would be better if Eric were dead, was she joking?” Nester objects. Judge sustains. Chervenak asks about Kouri’s tone of voice – was she laughing, smiling. No. Lloyd did not believe she was joking. Nester asks if they were drinking. Lloyd says she had had one drink. Nester says she wants to recall the witness. Questioning is done for the day.
11 a.m. Chervenak asks some follow up questions. Nester follows up and Lloyd says it’s a very difficult position to be on the stand saying things like this. “I don’t want to be here. No one has supplied my testimony to me. I know that it happened. I know she said that. I don’t want to say it, but I know she said it.” Nester asks about Lloyd’s conversation with Katie – Eric’s sister. Nester asks Lloyd who else she told about this statement Kouri made. She told her partner, her friend, Katie, the private investigator.
10:57 a.m. Correction – not the transcript, but a recording of the interview. We hear the recording. Lloyd says, “I swear she said it but if you put me on the stand, I would not be confident enough to say it.” Nester asks Lloyd if she did say that. She says she did. We hear another part of the recording. “I am 90% sure she said the comment about him being better dead,” Lloyd said in the interview with the investigator. Nester says you can’t say for certain she said that statement. Lloyd says, “Correct.” Nester has nothing further but says she will ask more questions when it’s time for the defense’s case.
10:55 a.m. Nester asks Lloyd about her telling the private investigator that she wasn’t sure she could 100% say under oath that Kouri said what she said. Lloyd doesn’t recall. Nester wants to admit the transcript where she says that.
10:52 a.m. Nester asks Lloyd about her having “girl talk” while she and Kouri were wrapping gifts. Nester asks about Lloyd talking to the prosecutor’s private investigator. Nester says in that interview, Lloyd didn’t mention anything about Kouri saying it would be better if Eric were dead. Lloyd doesn’t recall. During a second interview two years later, Nester says that’s when Lloyd said that Kouri stated it would be better if Eric were dead. Nester says it happened after Lloyd spoke with Katie Richins, Eric’s sister.
11 a.m. Chervenak asks some follow up questions. Nester follows up and Lloyd says it’s a very difficult position to be on the stand saying things like this. “I don’t want to be here. No one has supplied my testimony to me. I know that it happened. I know she said that. I don’t want to say it, but I know she said it.” Nester asks about Lloyd’s conversation with Katie – Eric’s sister. Nester asks Lloyd who else she told about this statement Kouri made. She told her partner, her friend, Katie, the private investigator.
10:57 a.m. Correction – not the transcript, but a recording of the interview. We hear the recording. Lloyd says, “I swear she said it but if you put me on the stand, I would not be confident enough to say it.” Nester asks Lloyd if she did say that. She says she did. We hear another part of the recording. “I am 90% sure she said the comment about him being better dead,” Lloyd said in the interview with the investigator. Nester says you can’t say for certain she said that statement. Lloyd says, “Correct.” Nester has nothing further but says she will ask more questions when it’s time for the defense’s case.
10:55 a.m. Nester asks Lloyd about her telling the private investigator that she wasn’t sure she could 100% say under oath that Kouri said what she said. Lloyd doesn’t recall. Nester wants to admit the transcript where she says that.
10:52 a.m. Nester asks Lloyd about her having “girl talk” while she and Kouri were wrapping gifts. Nester asks about Lloyd talking to the prosecutor’s private investigator. Nester says in that interview, Lloyd didn’t mention anything about Kouri saying it would be better if Eric were dead. Lloyd doesn’t recall. During a second interview two years later, Nester says that’s when Lloyd said that Kouri stated it would be better if Eric were dead. Nester says it happened after Lloyd spoke with Katie Richins, Eric’s sister.
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lol I thought for a second channel flipped to a mean girls show.
My opinion- which doesnt matter as I am not a juror, however, I would never convict someone based on witness testimony alone.
It is the totality of the evidence
It is the totality of the evidence
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