UT - Kylen Schulte, 24, & Crystal Beck, 38, newlywed couple found dead, Grand County, 18 Aug 2021

[iamnotagolem]

I think in an area where shooting is legal people don’t seem to notice.

 

[Nancy19XX]

I think in an area where shooting is legal people don’t seem to notice.

Facts. I live in a metropolitan city and have an outdoor gun range a few blocks away the police use daily. I wouldn't think twice about a gun shot.

 

[ardean]

I've used satellite and aerial photography available to public to look at areas just to see paths, changes, and vehicles related to some cases and I'm probably very novice at it. I also joined many others with the Tomnod search for MH370 going grid by grid through ocean imagery. I wonder how many satellite and aerial photos were going on over Moab during this crime and if there are pictures that may show vehicles near there and possibly even the victims. Does anyone know an expert and/or someone with paid or gifted subscriptions to up to date imagery? Do the Feds use their resources or even go to the National Reconnaissance Observers for cases like this?

 

[Missing Susan]

Facts. I live in a metropolitan city and have an outdoor gun range a few blocks away the police use daily. I wouldn't think twice about a gun shot.

I live out in the country where gunfire is common. I get out of my chair and look outside everytime to see what animals are fleeing etc. Its usually obvious if someone is target practicing or hunting depending on the number and cadence of rounds. Shots in the middle of the night would not be normal and would be investigated. It seems like these shots went undetected in this case, unfortunately.

I'm just trying to imagine the actual events. Multiple shots but over how long a period. Given the proximity of the resort, the killer would not know if they were heard or not. I wonder how frantic the killer was in moving the victims, not knowing if someone was watching. One of the ways out of there goes right past the resort lodgings where someone might have been watching or already have called 911.

 

[almagata]

I live out in the country where gunfire is common. I get out of my chair and look outside everytime to see what animals are fleeing etc. Its usually obvious if someone is target practicing or hunting depending on the number and cadence of rounds. Shots in the middle of the night would not be normal and would be investigated. It seems like these shots went undetected in this case, unfortunately.

I'm just trying to imagine the actual events. Multiple shots but over how long a period. Given the proximity of the resort, the killer would not know if they were heard or not. I wonder how frantic the killer was in moving the victims, not knowing if someone was watching. One of the ways out of there goes right past the resort lodgings where someone might have been watching or already have called 911.

I hear gun shots when I am out on the trails quite often in some areas during the day. It is usually people on ranches target shooting.

In these same remote areas at night, I would not think much about gun fire so long as it was not a massive number of rounds. I would look in that direction if I heard gunfire but I would assume someone was shooting at a coyote, bear, or mountain lion or poaching deer. If things quieted down quickly, I would go back to whatever I was doing and not give it another thought. It would take screams or yelling or vehicles peeling out to get me concerned.

 

[Seattle1]

I live out in the country where gunfire is common. I get out of my chair and look outside everytime to see what animals are fleeing etc. Its usually obvious if someone is target practicing or hunting depending on the number and cadence of rounds. Shots in the middle of the night would not be normal and would be investigated. It seems like these shots went undetected in this case, unfortunately.

I'm just trying to imagine the actual events. Multiple shots but over how long a period. Given the proximity of the resort, the killer would not know if they were heard or not. I wonder how frantic the killer was in moving the victims, not knowing if someone was watching. One of the ways out of there goes right past the resort lodgings where someone might have been watching or already have called 911.

^^bbm

I'm not familiar with the area. Is the resort lodging that you pass the Whispering Oaks Ranch-- located on the La Sal Mountain Loop Road, approximately 20 miles southeast of downtown Moab, Utah?

Our La Sal Mountain Property - Whispering Oaks Ranch | Moab, Utah

 

[Missing Susan]

^^bbm

I'm not familiar with the area. Is the resort lodging that you pass the Whispering Oaks Ranch-- located on the La Sal Mountain Loop Road, approximately 20 miles southeast of downtown Moab, Utah?

Our La Sal Mountain Property - Whispering Oaks Ranch | Moab, Utah

Yes From this map
https://www.whisperingoakslodging.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Property-Map-June-2018.pdf






wider view of key features

 

[Missing Susan]

A few landmarks to orient to pictures I took

 

[Missing Susan]

I'm parked on south mesa road aka the national forest road looking south. The views up here are stunning and I saw people parked on the access road to watch sunset.

 

[Seattle1]

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I'm parked on south mesa road aka the national forest road looking south. The views up here are stunning and I saw people parked on the access road to watch sunset.

Thank you @Missing Susan. Chilling to think what horror took place here.

 

[Missing Susan]

These pics aren't the best but I was just trying to show how close and visible these structures are from the campsite. Obviously, nobody heard or investigated any shots but the killer had to be concerned with somebody in that lodge watching him at the crimescene or as he fled.

 

[carbuff]

Thank you for the pictures.

The area is flatter than what I had envisioned.

 

[Seattle1]

Marcos Ortiz@tv_mortiz

Unsealed search warrant reveals possible suspect in Moab murders |
@abc4utah
https://bit.ly/3LO1s4F

#moabmurders #kylenschulte #crystalturner #justiceforkycry



abc4.com
Unsealed search warrant reveals possible suspect in Moab murders
MOAB, Utah (ABC4) – A newly unsealed search warrant has revealed a possible suspect in the double murders of two Moab women. Kylen Schulte and Crystal Turner were brutally murdered while cam…
9:52 PM · Feb 21, 2022

 

[evilwise]

Marcos Ortiz@tv_mortiz

Unsealed search warrant reveals possible suspect in Moab murders |
@abc4utah
https://bit.ly/3LO1s4F

#moabmurders #kylenschulte #crystalturner #justiceforkycry



abc4.com
Unsealed search warrant reveals possible suspect in Moab murders
MOAB, Utah (ABC4) – A newly unsealed search warrant has revealed a possible suspect in the double murders of two Moab women. Kylen Schulte and Crystal Turner were brutally murdered while cam…
9:52 PM · Feb 21, 2022

Yikes. I hope police are keeping a close eye on this guy. I wonder if unsealing that warrant was something that was requested/litigated, if it just automatically unsealed or if authorities choose to unseal it as part of pressuring their "potential suspect".

Did they not get this bloody jacket for testing in their search? Was it just mentioned in the request for a warrant because police saw it when making a visit to the camp and by the time the warrant was issued, it was gone? How long was the gap between these dates? Has this transient type left the state now since he wasn't charged?

 

[Yemelyan]

Yikes. I hope police are keeping a close eye on this guy. I wonder if unsealing that warrant was something that was requested/litigated, if it just automatically unsealed or if authorities choose to unseal it as part of pressuring their "potential suspect".

Did they not get this bloody jacket for testing in their search? Was it just mentioned in the request for a warrant because police saw it when making a visit to the camp and by the time the warrant was issued, it was gone? How long was the gap between these dates? Has this transient type left the state now since he wasn't charged?

In Utah, prosecutors can ask the court to keep a warrant sealed in six month extensions. At the end of each six month period, they have to re-file for another extension. Rule 40 - Search Warrants, Utah R. Crim. P. 40 | Casetext Search + Citator

If this person of interest was developed soon after the murders in August, it seems we are right at the end of one of those six month time frames. So the warrant probably unsealed "automatically," but also was allowed to by the prosecutor's office, as they could have easily requested another extension if they thought it necessary for the integrity of the investigation. I doubt it was an oversight.

I don't see anything in the news article that indicates they weren't able to collect evidence that they were seeking, including the blankets or the jacket. Maybe I missed something though...can you explain why you thought they weren't able to get them? The article says "authorities found...".

 

[Betty P]

In Utah, prosecutors can ask the court to keep a warrant sealed in six month extensions. At the end of each six month period, they have to re-file for another extension. Rule 40 - Search Warrants, Utah R. Crim. P. 40 | Casetext Search + Citator

If this person of interest was developed soon after the murders in August, it seems we are right at the end of one of those six month time frames. So the warrant probably unsealed "automatically," but also was allowed to by the prosecutor's office, as they could have easily requested another extension if they thought it necessary for the integrity of the investigation. I doubt it was an oversight.

I don't see anything in the news article that indicates they weren't able to collect evidence that they were seeking, including the blankets or the jacket. Maybe I missed something though...can you explain why you thought they weren't able to get them? The article says "authorities found...".

Are we to assume the evidence collected wasn't sufficient for a prosecutor to charge this man? Or are they looking for more corroborating evidence? From the article, it sounds like they interviewed quite a few people who know this man and were able to verify his creepy habits around women.

This news is encouraging. I hope they're able to complete the investigation soon.

 

[evilwise]

In Utah, prosecutors can ask the court to keep a warrant sealed in six month extensions. At the end of each six month period, they have to re-file for another extension. Rule 40 - Search Warrants, Utah R. Crim. P. 40 | Casetext Search + Citator

If this person of interest was developed soon after the murders in August, it seems we are right at the end of one of those six month time frames. So the warrant probably unsealed "automatically," but also was allowed to by the prosecutor's office, as they could have easily requested another extension if they thought it necessary for the integrity of the investigation. I doubt it was an oversight.

I don't see anything in the news article that indicates they weren't able to collect evidence that they were seeking, including the blankets or the jacket. Maybe I missed something though...can you explain why you thought they weren't able to get them? The article says "authorities found...".

What @Betty P said. I assume that if they collected blood that could match our victims or weapons even in the same caliber that it would have been enough for an arrest.

 

[Yemelyan]

What @Betty P said. I assume that if they collected blood that could match our victims or weapons even in the same caliber that it would have been enough for an arrest.

I wouldn't assume any blood evidence has to, by definition, be enough for an arrest. It could have been his own blood (which doesn't give an indication either way if he was involved), or it could be a mixed sample with multiple contributors that authorities are still working on figuring out. I know it has been six months, but that's not really that long in an investigation if the DNA is complicated. I know it would seem long to the victims' families and friends though.

Collecting evidence but not finding corroboration is different from police not collecting evidence that their warrant indicated they thought they'd find. Your post seemed to indicate that you suspected the latter so I just wondered what you saw that indicated that. If I misunderstood, no worries.

 

[Missing Susan]

This is an oddly written article and adds as much confusion as it does new information. I assume the sheriff got a search warrant after hearing from the deputy that pulled him over in his car. What did the warrant allow them to search? His car, his campsite? Does a sheriff need a warrant to look around a "campsite" on public property. Is his campsite at the crime scene?

Most of the article deals with statements from the creepy guy during what I assume was a questioning, which might be a separate topic from the search warrant.

This paragraph actually describes the result of the warrant but is written in a way to allow confusion of perhaps multiple campsites and cellphones. "Authorities also found two blankets and a jacket with “blood” on it at his campsite. Another cellphone was also found at the campsite belonging to the two women. It did not belong to them, according to deputies."

I assume the sheriff didn't need a warrant to search the crime scene to find "another cellphone". I also assume that if the creepy guy's campsite was the crime scene, he would have been arrested.

Doesnt a sheriff have the ability to determine if a blood sample is from a human and what blood type it is?

 

[Yemelyan]

Doesnt a sheriff have the ability to determine if a blood sample is from a human and what blood type it is?

Respectfully snipped by me...deputies with crime scene tech certifications (usually there are one or more in a department who have this) have the ability to check, at a scene, through two separate chemical tests whether an item is 1. presumptive positive for any kind of blood and then as a followup test, 2. whether it is presumptive positive for human blood specifically. IMO I would think someone with this certification would be present at a search predicated by a warrant.