Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #15 *ARREST*

[distracted]

He had a fantasy. He even wrote about it. That's how strong the will to carry out that fantasy was.

That said, I don't think his fantasy was as easy to carry out as he thought it would be so he had to move on to Plan B.

I believe his car will provide all of the evidence LE needs to make this an airtight case for a jury - and I mean a jury anywhere on this planet. So, nice try, Counsel to his mother.

 

[Tortoise]

Anyone familiar enough with Kias to know which model and sub-model AA had? Looking at the Kia website some models come standard or with optional Navigation and Traffic devices.

Not familiar with those devices but does anyone know if they are always on? Great for tracking vehicle.

I don't know if this is the vehicle or not

A police officer collects evidence in the parking lot of an apartment complex where Ayoola A. Ajayi was taken into custody in connection with missing University of Utah student Mackenzie Lueck Friday, June 28, 2019, in Salt Lake City. Salt Lake City Police Chief Mike Brown said, Friday that Ajayi was being charged with aggravated murder, kidnapping and desecration of a body in the death of 23-year-old student. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer)

Missing Student Utah - Photos - BULGARIAN NEWS AGENCY

 

[GordianKnot]

I don't think he dismembered her.

The Chief said in the pc that they had recovered "the body of" ML.

Had ML been dismembered, I think he would have said that her remains were recovered, not her body.

"Body" is a singular noun. It implies wholeness.

JMO.

 

[kpm]

Police expert: here’s what could have led to finding MacKenzie Lueck’s remains

A law enforcement expert is giving a few possibilities, based on his experience with investigations.

Chris Bertram, a retired deputy chief from the Unified Police Department, said there are two probabilities.

“One is that he is cooperating, and we as the public just don't know that,” he said in an interview Friday afternoon.

Another way the investigation may have taken police to Logan Canyon could have been from digging into Ajayi’s background and technology data.

“It's important to remember that he lived in Logan,” Bertram said. “He may have been comfortable with that area. As investigators have done the backgrounds on him, they may have found areas that he was very familiar with or that he liked to go to.”

In addition to that background information, he said police could have used technology to trace and track Ajayi’s whereabouts during key moments in the days after MacKenzie went missing.

“In that case — traveling or following cell phone sites, or tracking on his phone, or maybe a tracking on the GPS in his vehicle — they may have absolutely downloaded that and then able to determine where he was,” Bertram explained.




Police expert: here’s what could have led to finding MacKenzie Lueck’s remains

 

[Peppery]

Anyone familiar enough with Kias to know which model and sub-model AA had? Looking at the Kia website some models come standard or with optional Navigation and Traffic devices.

Not familiar with those devices but does anyone know if they are always on? Great for tracking vehicle.

Kia Optima is all we know.

 

[Ragnarok]

Kia Optima is all we know.

There are 4 sub-models for Optima. One optional and one standard for Navigation and traffic devices.

 

[Jealoushe]

I hate to give this visual. But, wouldn’t dismemberment be extremely bloody and messy? Wouldn’t blood be mentioned more?
Assuming this is (hopefully) his first murder... is it common for a first time murderer to actually dismember someone?

A bath tub is often used if the body is drained first.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Very often in cases, we hear that the “burned body” has been found.

They declined to include that adjective. Yet they included “charred” re: the initial remains found.

I’m really not sure if her entire body was burned or not, and my immediate thoughts went to Jessica Ridgeway and partial body found/dismemberment, as I initially mentioned.

I think it’s likely of course that he tried to burn her body fully and it didn’t work.

I’m just noting that they specifically did not say this, contrary to other cases.

I wonder if it is the case that her entire body was in fact burned, why they would hold this back. Simply to protect the public from the graphic and “sensitive nature”, or is there something else to this?

Imo, it's more logical to me certain tissue belonging to KL was thrown in the bonfire only, and not her body.

It just doesn't make sense to me he would put her body in the bonfire then retrieve it at some point, and discard the body in the canyon later.

That would be even more risky with not only putting the body in the fire, but retrieving it in such a horrid condition to transport it.

I think he most likely transported the body between the times he was burning off, and on for 2 days in the dark of night. I believe he is familiar with the area he disgarded her body to remain in his comfort zone.

The bonfire was done to destroy evidence that was inside of his house after murdering his victim including KLs human tissue, but not what remained of the majority of her body.

I do still believe he had premeditated all of this out before he even lured KL to the park including how he planned to torture her....how he was going to end her life along with how he was going to desecrate her body, and how he was going to get rid of the physical evidence.

Every murderer is convinced they will get away with their crimes. He is no different than thousands of others who thought the very same, but wound up being caught due to their own stupidity, and dumbness.

Imoo

 

[kkdj]

Imo, it's more logical to me certain tissue belonging to KL was thrown in the bonfire only, and not her body.

It just doesn't make sense to me he would put her body in the bonfire then retrieve it at some point, and discard the body in the canyon later.

That would be more risky with not only putting the body in the fire, but retrieving it in such a horrid condition to transport it.

I think he most likely transported the body between the times he was burning off, and on for 2 days.

The bonfire was done to destroy evidence that was inside of his house after murdering his victim including KLs human tissue, but not what remained of the majority of her body.

I do still believe he had premeditated all of this out before he even lured KL to the park including how he planned to torture her....how he was going to end her life along with how he was going to desecrate her body, and how he was going to get rid of the physical evidence.

Every murderer is convinced they will get away with their crimes. He is no different than thousands of others who thought the very same, but wound up being caught due to their own stupidity, and dumbness.

Imoo

Pretty much this!

 

[justaparent]

I still float back-and-forth between premeditated and something gone wrong. I don’t think he had her long enough to do all of the things he wanted to do. I feel like she balked as things progressed and her death was the result.

We have heard from many that he had a terrible temper. If she crossed him, and tried to keep him from whatever plans he had, I could definitely see him becoming enraged. It takes a very short time to inflict injury that can’t be taken back.

But no one knows except him. We may never hear exactly what took place so it’s all just a guess.

JMO

 

[PixieStix]

I really don't think ML would have agreed to meet a complete stranger (other than just conversing with them over the internet) at a park at 3am...I think it is possible they both discussed not having the lyft driver drop her off at her house, as well as not taking her to his residence--as a precautionary issue...he might have offered to pick her up at the park and drop her off at her place--perhaps, she thought they were going to go and have an early breakfast somewhere together? Some will find the breakfast idea off the wall...I know a lot of folks here think he came to the park with the intent to murder ML--possibly subduing her right away, since her phone was turned off immediately after she got in his vehicle; however, it is possible that her phone was tied to her parents and all her friends (find my phone, contacts, friends, etc with a location app) and she wanted time out from being potentially tracked. The meeting at the park at 3am is the big question mark in my mind--for some reason, I think she went there with the idea that there were going to do a normal activity together...and he was simply going to drive her the rest of the way home when they were finished.

I speculated this several threads ago, and this theory makes the most sense to me. I know when I was that age it would be no big deal to get breakfast at 3 AM. I think she was likely wired-tired from her flight.

I think its possible AA might have been on the very outer edges of her wide circle of friend group somehow because he seemed to try to infiltrate many different groups often. I don't think she thought the plan was ever going to his house, which made the whole thing even safer to her. He most likely manipulated her while she was in CA, lending an ear offering sympathy and comfort. When the texting occurred at 6, he could have suggested something like, "hey meet me at the park near my house, so we don't wake my roommates up, and we will go grab a bite, and then I will take you home."

The other theories of meeting an SD in the park at 3 AM just don't seem to fit with what people say about ML, that she was smart and hardworking and dedicated. I think if that was the case and he tried to convince her to meet him for whatever reason, and she protested she was tired, but he kept pushing warning bells would have gone off.

I believe this was a fairly innocence meet-up not sexually motivated on her part and that AA made it seem as innocence as possible which we know he was capable of based off some of the nicer things neighbors said about him.
MOO-

 

[ClaireNC]

When we see the charge of Desecration of a Human Body, our minds jump to dismemberment. Another big question in my mind is: What kind of evidence do they need to charge him with aggravated murder, before they find a body? In the Utah case of Elizabeth Shelley, her uncle, Alex Whipple, has been charged with those same two offenses. Here is a link to the Probable Cause Statement from Whipple’s arrest: http://kslnewsradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/WHIPPLE-PC.pdf

In Utah, Desecration of a Body, may simply mean that he moved or concealed her body. In Lizzy’s case the Probable cause for this charge is: “has taken substantial steps to move, remove, or conceal Elizabeth’s body.” (See the last page/point 38 on the Probable Cause Statement.)

On the Aggravated Murder charge, which was made prior to them finding Lizzy, the justifications for the charge were: “She was missing for 96 hours, her blood was found on a knife and on the perpetrator and his handprint was found in a “red substance” on a pipe.” (Point 35 on the PCS).

 

[Harmony 2]

Please excuse if this has already been posted... I didn't check back through the thread.

Body of slain University of Utah student Mackenzie Lueck recovered

 

[Midwestmom2019]

A bath tub is often used if the body is drained first.

That’s why I suggested a third location possibility. Back yard? No big pool of blood. Pictures from a WS poster, of canyon trampled grass and road? No blood. So where’s the blood?

Tub idea is fairly common and I don’t think LE made any comments about evidence from the inside of his house that they may have discovered. So could be... so many questions. So few answers. So little time. Let’s keep discussing. One detail could turn the case over and be the nail that seals his fate or frees him if he is innocent. Doubtful. But he is considered innocent until proven guilty. We should all be cautious about our statements lest they are interpreted as libel.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Imo, it's more logical to me certain tissue belonging to KL was thrown in the bonfire only, and not her body.

It just doesn't make sense to me he would put her body in the bonfire then retrieve it at some point, and discard the body in the canyon later.

That would be even more risky with not only putting the body in the fire, but retrieving it in such a horrid condition to transport it.

I think he most likely transported the body between the times he was burning off, and on for 2 days in the dark of night. I believe he is familiar with the area he disgarded her body to remain in his comfort zone.

The bonfire was done to destroy evidence that was inside of his house after murdering his victim including KLs human tissue, but not what remained of the majority of her body.

I do still believe he had premeditated all of this out before he even lured KL to the park including how he planned to torture her....how he was going to end her life along with how he was going to desecrate her body, and how he was going to get rid of the physical evidence.

Every murderer is convinced they will get away with their crimes. He is no different than thousands of others who thought the very same, but wound up being caught due to their own stupidity, and dumbness.

Imoo

 

[Midwestmom2019]

A bath tub is often used if the body is drained first.

Deleted by poster. Duplicate.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Imo, it's more logical to me certain tissue belonging to KL was thrown in the bonfire only, and not her body.

It just doesn't make sense to me he would put her body in the bonfire then retrieve it at some point, and discard the body in the canyon later.

That would be even more risky with not only putting the body in the fire, but retrieving it in such a horrid condition to transport it.

I think he most likely transported the body between the times he was burning off, and on for 2 days in the dark of night. I believe he is familiar with the area he disgarded her body to remain in his comfort zone.

The bonfire was done to destroy evidence that was inside of his house after murdering his victim including KLs human tissue, but not what remained of the majority of her body.

I do still believe he had premeditated all of this out before he even lured KL to the park including how he planned to torture her....how he was going to end her life along with how he was going to desecrate her body, and how he was going to get rid of the physical evidence.

Every murderer is convinced they will get away with their crimes. He is no different than thousands of others who thought the very same, but wound up being caught due to their own stupidity, and dumbness.

Imoo

Duplicates...errr

Imo, it's more logical to me certain tissue belonging to KL was thrown in the bonfire only, and not her body.

It just doesn't make sense to me he would put her body in the bonfire then retrieve it at some point, and discard the body in the canyon later.

That would be even more risky with not only putting the body in the fire, but retrieving it in such a horrid condition to transport it.

I think he most likely transported the body between the times he was burning off, and on for 2 days in the dark of night. I believe he is familiar with the area he disgarded her body to remain in his comfort zone.

The bonfire was done to destroy evidence that was inside of his house after murdering his victim including KLs human tissue, but not what remained of the majority of her body.

I do still believe he had premeditated all of this out before he even lured KL to the park including how he planned to torture her....how he was going to end her life along with how he was going to desecrate her body, and how he was going to get rid of the physical evidence.

Every murderer is convinced they will get away with their crimes. He is no different than thousands of others who thought the very same, but wound up being caught due to their own stupidity, and dumbness.

Imoo

 

[TrutherSleuther]

Until the trial(if there is one), I am keeping all options open, as far as what he did with her body to dispose of it. Chief Brown has been extremely careful with his wording in the PC’s, most likely out of respect for KL’s family, since he seems to be the one in contact with them the most. Just because he didn’t say “remains” or “burned body” doesn’t mean that’s not what it was necessarily. I think he is just giving the public what we “need” to know, the major details, without getting into anything too grisly. MOO.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

While the statute of the desecration of a body may include simply moving or hiding the body, IMO, what he did to KLs body goes far beyond that threshold.

The finding of KLs human tissue in the bonfire (enough to ID it forensically was KL) shows the desecration, and destruction of her body goes far beyond just hiding or moving the body.

The aggravated murder charge is applied when the suspect is in the middle of committing another felony crime such as the aggravated kidnapping charge. Or the murder was extremely cruel, and heinous. Etc.

Imo, this charge wasnt added simply because he moved her body.

Imo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I agree with OceanBlueEyes in not believing AA would have partially burned KL's body and then removed her and transported the body to the Canyon. Frankly why he would burn ANYTHING from the crime in his Yard is beyond my comprehension. Why he dug numerous holes is beyond me. Surely all of this would cause maximum attention to HIM.
Whatever happened to KL , why wouldn't he take her body with evidence , just package all of it up and dispose of it in the Canyon or even in the Dam. The End. Nothing but a phone call to tie him to Kenzie.
By doing this his phone call will lead LE to his home with a yard full of holes and evidence of a major fire with traces of female tissue. I mean this just seems soooo stupid....hard for me to believe premeditated.
Worst of all LE has released these grizzly details "desecration" allowing the public to come up with the most horrendous scenarios of what MAY have happened to Kenzie. Why not just state he was arrested based on evidence found that resulted in her death, especially if they knew they still needed a body. They have caused endless speculation---they had the guy --just wait until it all comes together. This is just my opinion. I am thankful AA made this so easy for LE to find and identify him so easily! That was great work!

 

[PixieStix]

I'm not sure if this has been posted. I don't remember seeing this. Looks like another woman has come forward who almost went on a date with AA in late April after meeting him on Tinder but got weird vibes and unmatched.

Woman recounts almost going on date with suspected killer

 

[Seattle1]

Searchers for MacKenzie Lueck's body requested diving equipment

July 5, 2019

(KUTV) — Investigators who found MacKenzie Lueck’s body in Logan Canyon asked for tools for a water search from the Cache County Sheriff’s Office.

“So our sheriff approved us to send up some dive equipment from our search and rescue team,” said Lt. Doyle Peck.

It’s unknown if Lueck’s body was found in the canyon stream.

[...]

Searchers may have only been in the area for one day: July 3.

 

[MassGuy]

I agree with OceanBlueEyes in not believing AA would have partially burned KL's body and then removed her and transported the body to the Canyon. Frankly why he would burn ANYTHING from the crime in his Yard is beyond my comprehension. Why he dug numerous holes is beyond me. Surely all of this would cause maximum attention to HIM.
Whatever happened to KL , why wouldn't he take her body with evidence , just package all of it up and dispose of it in the Canyon or even in the Dam. The End. Nothing but a phone call to tie him to Kenzie.
By doing this his phone call will lead LE to his home with a yard full of holes and evidence of a major fire with traces of female tissue. I mean this just seems soooo stupid....hard for me to believe premeditated.
Worst of all LE has released these grizzly details "desecration" allowing the public to come up with the most horrendous scenarios of what MAY have happened to Kenzie. Why not just state he was arrested based on evidence found that resulted in her death, especially if they knew they still needed a body. They have caused endless speculation---they had the guy --just wait until it all comes together. This is just my opinion. I am thankful AA made this so easy for LE to find and identify him so easily! That was great work!

You can be vague in an arrest warrant, to a point.

You can’t be that vague though.

The fact they found some of her burned remains, is incredibly important. They couldn’t not release that.

If idiots want to engage in reckless and baseless speculation, that’s not law enforcement’s fault.

 

[SandSage]

IMO it was totally premeditated and something(s) went wrong. Most likely, he thought it would be as easy as it was in his book...

ETA: and he wasn't a great writer, his book had glaring flaws as well (as much as I could stomach to read).

 

[Whiteorchids]

Pretty much this!

But what human tissue was found in the bonfire that wasn’t burned to a crisp? This does not make sense to me.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Searchers for MacKenzie Lueck's body requested diving equipment

July 5, 2019

(KUTV) — Investigators who found MacKenzie Lueck’s body in Logan Canyon asked for tools for a water search from the Cache County Sheriff’s Office.

“So our sheriff approved us to send up some dive equipment from our search and rescue team,” said Lt. Doyle Peck.

It’s unknown if Lueck’s body was found in the canyon stream.

[...]

Searchers may have only been in the area for one day: July 3.

I wonder if she was found wearing the same airport clothes.