GUILTY UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #15 *ARREST*

[Deleted member 117884]

True, but we do know that Kenzie was described as open, positive, and very trusting of people.
The killer has been described as being calculating, manipulative, and abusive.
Considering that she ended up dead, and he lied and tried to cover up his actions after the crime, I'm guessing that he was the one persuading her to meet at that time and that location. Jmo

Well put!

jmo

 

[iamcurious9]

Your comment here--Only assumptions and speculation....is exactly what comprises the bulk of opinions here on this web chat site--charred female tissue could mean any and everything except for it belonging to a biological male, lol. The tidbits we are fed by law enforcement conferences, random press releases, interviews of people who had dealings with or knew the suspect, etc...are all only fleeting glimpses of what is the true picture of who the suspect is and what he did to ML while in her company. The same goes for developing an accurate profile of who ML was--and what her motivation was in meeting AA at 3am in a public park. The verifiable facts in this case are pretty sparse and equivalent to a partially shaded in sketch of who, what, and where...the rest of the picture, we are all taking cracks at trying to figure it out based on what makes sense to us...

Amen.

 

[iamcurious9]

I read her family is Mormon, she was raised in that faith. But wasn't practicing or attending church.

In my opinion ML was like many young people, who step away from their faith. Experimenting with life ...

Amen.

 

[PommyMommy]

PommyMommy, Im pretty sure it was 2018, but I will try and find it again.

eta: Yes, June 2018.
Google Maps

Thanks, Amanda.

 

[tmar]

Hi. New here. Do we know who paid for KL's flight to CA for the funeral? Is it possible AA paid for it or gave KL the money in some type of SB/SD agreement?

Seems like roundtrip plane tickets might be a big unplanned expense at a time she had planned to fly out for a friend's wedding. (Tickets, a dress, and a wedding gift really can add up for a financially struggling college student.)

Maybe he paid and she naively agreed to meet him to thank him.

Welcome ADP2019,
Your idea about the funeral cost, is important.

With Wedding expenses, certainly as a student she may welcome any extra monies. Perhaps AA obliged with the funeral flight expense (an agreement) and now ML was there, as part of their conversation.
All probably revealed, from their phones.
MOO.

 

[rmax]

Their beliefs (and social networks) are important because people in general tend to trust others of their own belief system. It's that simple. Mormons are no different in that regard than any other religion. It forms a kind of unspoken set of rules. Sure, people can bounce up against the rules, but proclaiming a faith and sharing a faith, people assume they share something.

There's a lot more to religion and perceptions around it, of course. But no one can deny that it is one strand in establishing social relationships. Particularly in Utah, where I have lived as a non-Mormon.

I understand its important in that capacity. But I dont think either was parading around claiming to be "active" in the Mormon church. So that would be a moot point IMO. They wouldnt have "trusted each other more" because they both at some point were involved in the Mormon church. I agree that would be the case if both were openly active in the belief but that is clearly not the case. (IMO) and probably rarely came up in conversation. While I "stepped away" from the church for a time, the last thing I spoke about was the faith that I was basically neglecting. Again, I just dont think the religion side has anything to do with it. MOO

Had either one been actively touting their church to meet people then i think it may be important but with the evidence we have, im confident neither was playing the faith card.

 

[SuziQ]

But we just don’t know at this point, if he initiated these arrangements or not. These are assumptions. They may fit well with a theory of how this crime occurred...but we haven’t proof yet of any of this.

It could turn output that MK suggested the park, or it was a mutual decision.

We don’t know that he refused to meet at the airport or they mutually made a different plan.

We don’t even know the purpose of the meeting.

There’s just too much unknown at this point.

I think it would be a huge coincidence that he happened to meet her at a park he previously lived next to. To me that says he picked the park. And avoided the airport cameras in doing so.

 

[GordianKnot]

Welcome ADP2019,
Your idea about the funeral cost, is important.

With Wedding expenses, certainly as a student she may welcome any extra monies. Perhaps AA obliged with the funeral flight expense (an agreement) and now ML was there, as part of their conversation.
All probably revealed, from their phones.
MOO.

BBM:

Now, that's a really intriguing thought...I hadn't even considered that possibility until now.

IF a SB/SD arrangement existed b/t the two of them, AA may indeed have offered to pay for ML's plane tickets with the intention of using it as the hook for getting her to meet with him when she flew back into town.

IF that's the case, texts, online communications and/or his financial records will definitely show that AA either purchased the tickets or gave ML the money for them.

I don't know that this is a likely scenario, as ML's parents may very well have offered to pay for her flight, but still: it's possible.

JMO.

 

[MesquiteO21]

I don't have any personal experience with it, but my understanding is that it is a dating app used largely for hookups, as opposed to relationships.

This is my understanding as well. Sites like match, okcupid, etc seem much more relationship focused. If I’m not mistaken, Tinder seems more based on looks (people “swipe” on the profiles they like) whereas with other dating sites you can match with people based on deeper things like how you both answered certain belief/lifestyle questions, and shared interests. (Although, I’ve never been on Tinder so I don’t know if they have something similar. And FWIW I have heard of people meeting their spouse on the app so I’m definitely no expert). MOO

 

[Midwestmom2019]

The difference in that case is that it was known that she was in a relationship with that man. And he lied about his age and much more. We don’t even know how much of a “friend” AA was to Kenzie.

ETA: in the case you are referring to, she had reported that she was nervous about him to the campus. And unfortunately they did nothing.

Yes, different in many respects. But the bottom line? Two coeds were murdered in a short time span, one before the other. One would think that the entire school would watch out for each other. First victim's friend gave her the info.
Anyway, along those same lines, I think that ML sorority sisters knew she was "around" AA. ML was very open about her dating situations, there were 500 open SD/SB profiles on sites listing UofU students when a reporter spoke about that on MSM one evening after ML disappeared. I think not only her sisters, but many in the school knew as well. IDK.
(No, I don't have the link, or even remember which channel. But the reporter was local. She stood at the front of the school discussing the situation.)
She was viciously murdered. That's all that matters.

 

[MesquiteO21]

I think it would be a huge coincidence that he happened to meet her at a park he previously lived next to. To me that says he picked the park. And avoided the airport cameras in doing so.

This is my thinking as well. But I’m just so perplexed about the communication! Why would he think to avoid the airport, but not take any steps to conceal his cellphone communication with her?

 

[10ofRods]

No one is claiming they were parading around - so it was never a point (moot or otherwise).

Sorry if the topic is sensitive. But yes, in the classroom, it's interesting how people divide up by various factors, regardless of how adherent they are. College students long for companionate relationships and use every similarity to establish same. IME.

In Utah, it doesn't take long for students to suss out who is (nominally) Mormon, who is a strict Mormon and so on. At least, that's my experience (SLC based only).

 

[milkshakedonkey]

This case has nothing to do with U of U other than she was a student there. This happened outside of the usual academic year and she did not live on campus nor did any of this happen anywhere near campus. I’m shocked anyone would point a finger at the school and blame them for this in any way.

 

[GordianKnot]

This case has nothing to do with U of U other than she was a student there. This happened outside of the usual academic year and she did not live on campus nor did any of this happen anywhere near campus. I’m shocked anyone would point a finger at the school and blame them for this in any way.

Agreed. I don't place one iota of blame on the school.

It's not a day care center. It's an institution of higher learning for adults.
Keyword: Adults. It's an open campus. We live in a free and open society.
Bad things can and do happen everywhere.

How was the school supposed to prevent this from happening?
Rhetorical question.

We all know who's to blame, and it ain't an institution of higher learning:
It's one individual.

One evil, monstrous, individual...whose initials happen to be AA.

That's who's to blame here.

JMO.

 

[MsBetsy]

Almost forgot. Several threads back there was some discussion of AA facial features, broad, hair slit in one photo, but not the other. AA had asked on line for positive votes for his "brother."
Did anyone ever figure out whether there is indeed, a brother?

Could he have been referring to a non- related "brother? "
I haven't heard any mention of siblings at all.

 

[Knox]

BBM:

Now, that's a really intriguing thought...I hadn't even considered that possibility until now.

IF a SB/SD arrangement existed b/t the two of them, AA may indeed have offered to pay for ML's plane tickets with the intention of using it as the hook for getting her to meet with him when she flew back into town.

IF that's the case, texts, online communications and/or his financial records will definitely show that AA either purchased the tickets or gave ML the money for them.

I don't know that this is a likely scenario, as ML's parents may very well have offered to pay for her flight, but still: it's possible.

JMO.

I only recently started reading in this forum. I've seen it mentioned several times that ML missed her flight back to California. Was she going back home for a visit or for the summer?

 

[MyBelle]

Hi. New here. Do we know who paid for KL's flight to CA for the funeral? Is it possible AA paid for it or gave KL the money in some type of SB/SD agreement?

Seems like roundtrip plane tickets might be a big unplanned expense at a time she had planned to fly out for a friend's wedding. (Tickets, a dress, and a wedding gift really can add up for a financially struggling college student.)

Maybe he paid and she naively agreed to meet him to thank him.

Several airlines offer bereavement discounts so I doubt it was an issue. Plus, her parents would question the source of her funds and I doubt they were aware of her SB/SD lifestyle.

 

[Seattle1]

Hi. New here. Do we know who paid for KL's flight to CA for the funeral? Is it possible AA paid for it or gave KL the money in some type of SB/SD agreement?

Seems like roundtrip plane tickets might be a big unplanned expense at a time she had planned to fly out for a friend's wedding. (Tickets, a dress, and a wedding gift really can add up for a financially struggling college student.)

Maybe he paid and she naively agreed to meet him to thank him.

My parents have paid for my flights to grandparents' funerals, but I don't know whether KL's family had the means.

It’s a relatively short flight, and it looks like she traveled during non-peak times, especially that flight back to Utah, which arrived in the early hours of the morning.

This wouldn’t have been all that expensive, and I think it’s probable that her parents paid.

Who knows though.

Southwest has not less than 13 flights a day LAX - SLC -- it's an established route for them, and the fares including free checked bags after 5pm average about $100 including tax. (Somebody up thread priced out her roundtrip fare at $200). Flight time about 1 hour 45 minutes...

I'm not meeting anybody at 3 AM for $100 airfare!

IMO, a SD pays your fare to London not SLC.

MOO

ETA: LE previously confirmed ML traveled on Southwest.

 

[milkshakedonkey]

I only recently started reading in this forum. I've seen it mentioned several times that ML missed her flight back to California. Was she going back home for a visit or for the summer?

My understanding is that she was planning to go back to California for a friend’s wedding.

 

[SandSage]

I missed this article, but it says it all. This guy doesn’t understand the meaning of the word “no.”

Missy Lewis says she connected with Ajayi on Tinder.

“The suspect was very charming at first, we had a great conversation,” said Lewis.

At first, he wanted to pick her up at home; when Lewis hesitated, she says Ajayi was persistent.

“He said, well how about I pick you up at a parking lot,” added Lewis.

“I said no, I don’t really feel safe doing that,” said Lewis.

After she told him no, repeatedly, she says he snapped.

“Then he started getting belligerent. He kept insisting that’s what we do, and eventually I said hey I don’t really like where this is going, so I think I’m going to unmatch you, and he called me a really bad word,” said Lewis.

Woman recounts almost going on date with suspected killer

Hoooolyyyy :-O

Sounds like he's been practicing.

moo