Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #16 *ARREST*

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Under state law found at Utah Code § 76-5-301, a person can be charged with kidnapping for:
  • Detaining or restraining a person against their will:
    • For a “substantial” amount of time.
    • For any amount of time, if there is a risk the victim will be seriously injured.
“Detaining” means keeping someone in a location against their will. “Restraining” means interfering with the person’s ability to move freely.

Kidnapping charges become aggravated when the defendant commits kidnapping and additional elements are present – for example, using a weapon or acting with intent to commit a sex crime (e.g. rape, aggravated sexual assault).

Utah Kidnapping (Code 76-5-301) Defense Attorneys

I read the aggravating kidnapping again, and what jumped out to me today is it becomes aggravated when 'using a weapon.'

I think since they found plenty of ammo, but no firearm, LE believes he had his firearm with him in his vehicle at the park, and this is why he was able to turn her phone off or take the battery out... leaving KL unable to contact anyone.

Imo, this also is how he was able to force her to go with him to his home.

I still think the evidence will show the aggravated kidnapping factors started in his vehicle.

Imo, KL knew she was in immediate danger once inside of his vehicle. He made sure no one was around to help her.

She was at his mercy, and she knew quickly he possessed none even if she agreed to do everything he demanded she do or how much she pleaded to spare her life. The more she plead for her life the more empowered he felt. Instead of feeling any regret it fueled his rage, and hatred even more because imo, he has long been a hater of all females in general. He used women as objects, but possessed no emotions or bonds with any of them.

Psychopaths dont have compassion for anyone. They see their victims as weak if they plead for their lives while under their total power, and control.

KL never knew before she met this monster face to face what he had in store for her. He knew all along just exactly how he was going to trap her, and once he had her helpless, and defenseless he then carried out his premeditated plans including how he was going to defile, and desecrate her body.

Imo, he knew before she ever entered his vehicle she would be totally destroyed no longer a beautiful vibrant young woman with such a bright future.

Jmho
 
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^bbm^sbm^

Both weapon and tracker can be helpful but do not necessarily prevent injury or death.

Re "(mini) weapon" --- need to train w it and be able to use effectively, to reduce chances of it being taken from victim and used against vic.

Re "tracker device"--- does this prevent injury/death? Or only help LE - after the fact - to follow movement, to locate and ID attacker? Also, perp can grab device itself, can discard anywhere, leading LE far from actual location of vic, whether injured or deceased.

JMO. Sorry, a bit O/T. Any more detailed discussion on ^is probably best addressed in elsewhere (downstairs/private forums?). Ready to veer back on track.

Someone posted ML's friends started a group to support themselves and not to let this happen. I was just adding my suggestion to that.
 
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Again, much thanks for clarification. This has been an issue for me! I had never seen any confirmation of communication after 6 pm- only that their respective phones both pinged near Hatch @ 3 am- then Kenzie’s stopped sending any signals whatsoever at approximately that same time- which placed him where she was when she essentially disappeared. And I assumed at that hour no other pings there but the two of them, viola-prime suspect- enough to get his phone records or whatever to move forward with him- and so it began- if there wasn’t already something that had tipped them off to him- and this was the smoking gun they needed-
You are welcome!
Apparently they suspected him as soon as they interviewed him, yet it was reported that he was not a suspect for several days.

LE had stated at the PC that they really needed to speak to the last person Kenzie had texted at the airport.
We still don't know if he came forward willingly or they found him on their own.

So apparently they allowed him to relax for a few days, until LE arrived at his house, removing evidence and digging up the yard.

At that point it was all over for him. Imo
 
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I wonder if the fact he’s been lawyer hopping is part of why the attorneys haven’t filed tons of motions to get him out. His replacement for Ms. Gustin was hired only a few days ago.

Somehow, I missed hearing about Ms Gustin being replaced. (She’s the one with the spectacular resume of getting ‘alleged’ rapists off, right?)

Who was her replacement?
 
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Looks like they're waiting until the last minute to file/announce the charges.
 
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Ocean, if that's what actually happened he is one of the most dumbest murderers of all time.

I just dont buy it though. He could have gotten off in a million other ways. I have a strong feeling they got into a fight maybe over money and he snapped and killed her.
 
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An interesting statement in the probable cause I just reread . I know we knew this but the second part of this sentence could be termed conflicting to “phone record texting”.

“AA denied knowing what ML looked like and denied having seen a photo or online profile of ML, despite investigations that the means of which he communicated with her displayed a several photos of her and a profile photo.” (Yes there is a problem with that sentence—- the a/several are conflicting as well but are on the statement.. emphasis mine)

So this says to me that they communicated through some app or profile with pics— likely her seeking arrangement profile, beachbaby96. Would be interesting if that is the last communication the LE are referring to.

Now stepping aside and playing defense Atty-Is it possible or believable that he truly didn’t know her name? Maybe he only knew her as beachbaby?

BBM
 
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Fox National News had a segment a little while ago about ML. The Legal person said the length of time AA has been kept in jail without further court time is very unusual. Said he would be filing all sorts of documents to get AA out. Only excuse he said is if Defense and AA agrees with the unusual lengthy incarceration.

Much as I hate to think that they might be making a plea deal with him, I’d think it might be one reason that the Defense would be willing to agree to the incarceration without court time.
 
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Somehow, I missed hearing about Ms Gustin being replaced. (She’s the one with the spectacular resume of getting ‘alleged’ rapists off, right?)

Who was her replacement?

I haven’t seen the name but the Salt Lake Defenders Association issued a statement that they would be repping him around the time her body was found: Utah college student's body found in a canyon

I suspect we’ll be getting the attorney’s name when he has to respond to formal charges.

Edited to add: yep, Ms. Gustin was the one who boasted about her ability to get rapists off. Early on she said something along the lines of not knowing how long she’d be representing him. Her website seems to cover a plethora of criminal activity but I can’t remember that she would cover a DP-eligible murder.
 
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Somehow, I missed hearing about Ms Gustin being replaced. (She’s the one with the spectacular resume of getting ‘alleged’ rapists off, right?)

Who was her replacement?
He has a new lawyer already?
I had not heard that either.
 
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I think this is the best summary of the case I've seen so far:

New information released in murder, kidnapping of University of Utah student; digital clues lead to suspect's capture | Gephardt Daily

It specifically states it was phone records (ML's) that led to AA, not an app. Discusses the tissue (charred) found in the area where her personal items were burned. Gives the date of her missed exam (the 20th). Tells the low low price of his AirBnB ($27/night).

It goes to explore the kinds of things you all have been sleuthing here (his LinkedIn, pompous bios, etc).

Anyway, for those of you trying to catch up, it's a good read.
thanks - I added it to the media thread- it may be a re-post but I didn't see it after a quick review around the 28th of June.
 
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Andrew Reeser on Twitter
We are at the @SLCountyDA’s office where officials will give an update on the #MacKenzieLueck homicide investigation shortly.
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10:09 AM - 10 Jul 2019

KSL 5 TV on Twitter
BREAKING: The District Attorney has called a press conference to update us on the #MackenzieLueck case. The press conference will be at 11 a.m. We'll stream it on Facebook Live.
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10:06 AM - 10 Jul 2019

Kelli Pierce on Twitter
#Alert: Law enforcement will give an update on possible charges against the suspect in the #MackenzieLueck case in about an hour.
10:04 AM - 10 Jul 2019
 
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Ashton Edwards on Twitter
BREAKING NEWS: @SimGillDA giving update on #MacKenzieLueck case at 11 a.m. WATCH LIVE on @fox13.
10:06 AM - 10 Jul 2019

KSL Newsradio on Twitter
JUST IN: Salt Lake County District Attorney @SimGillDA will be holding an update on the #MacKenzieLueck case at 11 AM MDT. Stay tuned for more.
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10:06 AM - 10 Jul 2019

Michael Locklear on Twitter
UPDATE in #MackenzieLueck case scheduled for 11 am with Salt Lake Co. DA Sim Gill. No details on what we’ll learn, but the suspected killer has been in jail for 12 days without being formally charged with a crime.
10:06 AM - 10 Jul 2019
 
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An interesting statement in the probable cause I just reread . I know we knew this but the second part of this sentence could be termed conflicting to “phone record texting”.

“AA denied knowing what ML looked like and denied having seen a photo or online profile of ML, despite investigations that the means of which he communicated with her displayed a several photos of her and a profile photo.” (Yes there is a problem with that sentence—- the a/several are conflicting as well but are on the statement.. emphasis mine)

So this says to me that they communicated through some app or profile with pics— likely her seeking arrangement profile, beachbaby96. Would be interesting if that is the last communication the LE are referring to.

Now stepping aside and playing defense Atty-Is it possible or believable that he truly didn’t know her name? Maybe he only knew her as beachbaby?

BBM

The means of communication might have been one of the standard dating apps, too.

Good to have someone playing defense attorney. But I don’t quite get the point. He did know her name, or at least knew who LE was questioning him about—because he lied and said that the last time they’d communicated was 6:00 pm on the 16th.
 
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My neighbor is one of the SL public defenders. I hope she is not the one. That has to be a difficult job!
 
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