Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #18 *ARREST*

[MsBetsy]

And two more observations:

When I look at his arrest photos and mugshot, I see no emotion, nothing. It is like he is already dead, empty, a shell. Usually, you will see at least some fleeting emotion, even if it is regret in getting caught or duper’s delight, but this guy..he just looks so blank.

And I am shocked by the statement regarding the death penalty. It makes me think this case is much larger than just AA. It makes me wonder about what he was doing with his cameras and the neighbors’ comments about the females coming in and out. It makes me wonder who might have initially financed him.

Yeah, that was the first thing I noticed when he was arrested. He seemed so cool and unemotional. He didn't even look angry. Imo

 

[10ofRods]

Thanks for your reply.

I doubt that most people who have experience in outdoor living have much experience in trying to cremate animal or human remains. JMO

Seriously - anyone with any experience barbecuing in a fire pit knows you can't burn bone. So, are you saying with all your outdoor experience, you've never tried to cook ribs or chops on an open fire? Certainly, it's something I have to teach my students, because they don't know that either (but they don't do much cooking...much less outdoor cooking; I teach forensics, in case you're wondering - otherwise I wouldn't be teaching my students about which bones survive a burn, which is a major topic here in SoCal).

And the other part, where he chooses a not-so-remote place to drop the body, was discussed before the body was even found - that there were places in Utah he could have gone where it would have been very hard to find a body. If he knew the geography/environment around him. Which takes time to experience and know, outside the city.

I find it interesting that his one "life event" on FB (or whatever that's called) is his trip to the mountains in winter - his first one, from the looks of it.

I keep thinking of the Susan Powell case and how large the search was (and they had some notions about where to look - but the area was too vast). It wasn't near a road and a dam.

 

[Zella]

And I am shocked by the statement regarding the death penalty. It makes me think this case is much larger than just AA. It makes me wonder about what he was doing with his cameras and the neighbors’ comments about the females coming in and out. It makes me wonder who might have initially financed him.

SBM

What's the statement on the death penalty? I'm sure it's staring me in the face, but I missed it, I think?

 

[wary]

SBM

What's the statement on the death penalty? I'm sure it's staring me in the face, but I missed it, I think?

I’m guessing that it’s the DA saying that they’re going to wait till after the preliminary hearing to decide on the death penalty—just as they usually do.

Rule 1 of sleuthing, I’m starting to think, is: the most boring explanation is probably correct.

 

[Zella]

I’m guessing that it’s the DA saying that they’re going to wait till after the preliminary hearing to decide on the death penalty—just as they usually do.

Rule 1 of sleuthing, I’m starting to think, is: the most boring explanation is probably correct.

Okay thanks! I couldn't remember any statement beyond that it was undecided, so I thought I'd missed something!

I think your Rule 1 is 100% accurate!

 

[10ofRods]

Yeah, that was the first thing I noticed when he was arrested. He seemed so cool and unemotional. He didn't even look angry. Imo

I think he looks stunned and stupefied. And of course, not only has he probably not slept much for a while, his car is gone, his house has been searched and he's apparently fled to a friend's house. The life he knew went up in smoke.

 

[JDough]

I think he looks stunned and stupefied. And of course, not only has he probably not slept much for a while, his car is gone, his house has been searched and he's apparently fled to a friend's house. The life he knew went up in smoke.

I'm not sure I care how he looks? His life went "up in smoke" because he chose to act upon his perverted fantasies, IMO.

Perhaps, if he wanted to keep his house and car (and get plenty of sleep), he should not have murdered a beautiful, undeserving young woman?

I'm, personally, disgusted by him.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Seriously - anyone with any experience barbecuing in a fire pit knows you can't burn bone. So, are you saying with all your outdoor experience, you've never tried to cook ribs or chops on an open fire? Certainly, it's something I have to teach my students, because they don't know that either (but they don't do much cooking...much less outdoor cooking; I teach forensics, in case you're wondering - otherwise I wouldn't be teaching my students about which bones survive a burn, which is a major topic here in SoCal).

And the other part, where he chooses a not-so-remote place to drop the body, was discussed before the body was even found - that there were places in Utah he could have gone where it would have been very hard to find a body. If he knew the geography/environment around him. Which takes time to experience and know, outside the city.

I find it interesting that his one "life event" on FB (or whatever that's called) is his trip to the mountains in winter - his first one, from the looks of it.

I keep thinking of the Susan Powell case and how large the search was (and they had some notions about where to look - but the area was too vast). It wasn't near a road and a dam.

I've cooked over an open fire a few times. I've never tried to cremate my meal when doing so.

It might be a good idea for you to be verified as a professional forensic teacher here on Websleuths.

It will give you much more latitude on what you can post. JMO

 

[dogmom805]

And two more observations:

It makes me wonder about what he was doing with his cameras and the neighbors’ comments about the females coming in and out. It makes me wonder who might have initially financed him.

Perhaps some financing was coming from Nigeria.

 

[Niner]

Monday, July 15th:
*Initial Appearance Hearing (@ 10am MT) - UT – MacKenzie “Kenzie” Lueck (23) (June 17, 2019, Salt Lake City, reported missing June 20, 2019, found June 26, 2019 charred female human tissue & bone, part of her scalp with hair, burned cell phone & personal belongings (clothing) burned & buried in his Salt Lake City backyard; body found July 3, 2019 in Logan Canyon (about 85 miles north of Salt Lake City).) - *Ayoola Adisa Ajayi aka “Joy” & “AJ” (31) arrested & charged (6/28/19) & formally charged (7/10/19) with criminal homicide 1st degree felony aggravated murder, aggravated kidnapping, obstruction of justice & desecration of a body. Held without bond.
6/30/19 Update: Preliminary hearing was set for 7/1. DA needs more time, charges won’t be filed Monday, 7/1.
7/2/19 Update: Prosecutors said Tuesday (7/2/19) they had been granted an extension on filing formal charges until next week (7/10) as they investigate what was on her wiped phone.
7/3/19 Update: MacKenzie’s body was found in Logan Canyon about 85 miles north of Salt Lake City.
7/10/19 Update: Ajayi formally charged with aggravated murder, aggravated kidnapping, desecration of a human body & obstruction of justice. Detectives discovered "freshly-dug site" behind Ajayi's house, where they discovered burnt cell phone, human bone, part of a scalp & hair. DNA testing returned profile consistent with Mackenzie's DNA profile. Initial appearance hearing on new charges (including 1st degree murder) on 7/15. And a conference hearing set for 7/29.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I'm sorry. I should have mentioned that it's obvious he knew very little about outdoor fires, bonfires, and about where to dump a body in Utah's vast wilderness!

Niger and Nigeria are like living in the vast Mojave Desert. But with way more people crowded into dry, dusty villages where wood is rare. There are no national parks, no designated wilderness - all land is claimed by someone. There's no place to have a wilderness experience. Dry camping? That's something people do only when they know they have a car and water is a drive away.

So yes, people from Baker or Barstow who get an hour outside of town will have "wilderness" knowledge - of the desert. I live in LA but the vast majority of my 600-700 students per year have never been outside the city.

He's into cameras and online stuff. He's not into how to hike into the woods with a burden and hide it so it would be hard to find. Even if he hadn't let the police to the body with his phone, it would have been found soon enough - it was not far from a road in a very well used urban escape area. Which he probably didn't know. He had lived near it, so that's what he knew (and it was barely out of town - it would be like you going over the American River and into an industrial area and dumping a body - Utah's byroads are well-traveled, by locals, daily).

He didn't know that a fire wouldn't reduce bones. moo

It's something that kids who've grown up in the inter-mountain region, camping, would know from early childhood. There's not a lot of wood to collect and burn in Nigeria (or nearby Niger). It disappeared long ago. To him, there was no place away from prying eyes (and yet...locals in Utah have managed to hide bodies longterm, because they know the area).

Again, he had a very poor plan for body disposal, if you ask me. Even if it was last minute.

I think he definitely knew of fires. He knew exactly what he wrote about as well. He just didn’t know that they wouldn’t burn all evidence apparently. (I didn’t know thatvtill this case, either) His poor plan for body disposal sounds just like murders in Nigeria to me. They aren’t covered up, just left on the side of the road.

AA came here and attempted to adapt into a new culture at the age of 21. I am not finding any mention of his family outside of Janet Farashkin and a man, Dill, who described AA as “Joy” when he took AA under his wing when he first joined the church in Utah. So, what I am seeing is you have this 21 year old, who comes over here as a student, marries a pregnant woman with children but never consummated the marriage yet sends her money (so he paid for his green card), fails out of college, steals an iPad, it’s discovered he is living homeless on the college campus, joins the Utah National Guard, doesn’t pass the medical, rapes a woman but is not charged, goes back to college but doesn’t get a degree, then suddenly has low level computer jobs, is able to buy a house, camera equipment, computer equipment and establish an Airbnb. Who helped this guy?

One of my friends, who grew up in a war torn country, told me, he is like a bridge between his parents, from his native country, and his children, who grew up here. My friend feels like he belongs and fits in nowhere. He can’t go back to his country he was raised in, yet he never fit in here. Looking at AA’s Facebook posts and responses, I see some of that. I think he desperately wanted to fit in, but just didn’t.

AA was doing ok on the surface. He had turned his life around. I wonder what it is we are not seeing. How was he able to go from barely making it, just holding on homeless to homeowner? No one has ever mentioned his family. This guy is a true loner. We don’t even know if he comes from a middle class background in Nigeria.

A true loner that was found in someone’s apartment with them and reports of women coming and going from his place does not sound like a loner to me, but I do understand what you are saying.

 

[10ofRods]

I'm not sure I care how he looks? His life went "up in smoke" because he chose to act upon his perverted fantasies, IMO.

Perhaps, if he wanted to keep his house and car (and get plenty of sleep), he should not have murdered a beautiful, undeserving young woman?

I'm, personally, disgusted by him.

Well, as someone who is more likely to meet up with someone like him after he's arrested, I do pay attention to everything I can see about how the perp looks.

Of course he knew of fires, he just didn't know much about how they actually work in the real world.

As kids, we definitely dropped our stuff into the fire (especially ribs). In fact, dad would show us how the bones didn't burn the next morning and even sometimes, a potato would be stubborn. That's because we were taught to fish all of that out of the fire and put it in a proper disposal canister so as not to attract wildlife.

Be fascinating to see if he actually destroyed the cell sim or just tried to burn the whole phone. Something could survive. Watching someone or something burn under traumatic circumstances (such as the ones in his book) wouldn't lead to a lot of useful knowledge about how to burn stuff in a fire, I'm thinking.

 

[Whiteorchids]

I'm sorry. I should have mentioned that it's obvious he knew very little about outdoor fires, bonfires, and about where to dump a body in Utah's vast wilderness!

Niger and Nigeria are like living in the vast Mojave Desert. But with way more people crowded into dry, dusty villages where wood is rare. There are no national parks, no designated wilderness - all land is claimed by someone. There's no place to have a wilderness experience. Dry camping? That's something people do only when they know they have a car and water is a drive away.

So yes, people from Baker or Barstow who get an hour outside of town will have "wilderness" knowledge - of the desert. I live in LA but the vast majority of my 600-700 students per year have never been outside the city.

He's into cameras and online stuff. He's not into how to hike into the woods with a burden and hide it so it would be hard to find. Even if he hadn't let the police to the body with his phone, it would have been found soon enough - it was not far from a road in a very well used urban escape area. Which he probably didn't know. He had lived near it, so that's what he knew (and it was barely out of town - it would be like you going over the American River and into an industrial area and dumping a body - Utah's byroads are well-traveled, by locals, daily).

He didn't know that a fire wouldn't reduce bones. moo

It's something that kids who've grown up in the inter-mountain region, camping, would know from early childhood. There's not a lot of wood to collect and burn in Nigeria (or nearby Niger). It disappeared long ago. To him, there was no place away from prying eyes (and yet...locals in Utah have managed to hide bodies longterm, because they know the area).

Again, he had a very poor plan for body disposal, if you ask me. Even if it was last minute.

LE found a bone not bones in the fire pit which leads me to believe KL’s remains were mostly skeleton which didn’t burn, if so that big hole in her skull must have been easy to see with her arm bones still tied behind her back with rope.

 

[10ofRods]

LE found a bone not bones in the fire pit which leads me to believe KL’s remains were mostly skeleton which didn’t burn, if so that big hole in her skull must have been easy to see with her arm bones still tied behind her back with rope.

Yes, I agree that if charred muscle was found at the burn pit, the rest of her body was very badly burned.

They said "human tissue and bone." In this case, "bone" means "bone matter" imo. It does mean "a bone." However, one specific part of her skeleton was mentioned separately (part of a skull). I suspect (and would bet) that other small bones were in that fire as well. We've hashed this all over before, though, and it's just a matter of waiting for the trial (or perhaps the preliminary hearing).

I do not know how much autopsy material will be provided to the Court at the preliminary, haven't followed many recent Utah trials. Would be interesting if anyone out there knows what usually happens at preliminary.

We haven't really discussed, much, what types of evidence might be truly obliterated by burning (quite a bit, but not the shape of the blunt force trauma).

 

[10ofRods]

I've cooked over an open fire a few times. I've never tried to cremate my meal when doing so.

It might be a good idea for you to be verified as a professional forensic teacher here on Websleuths.

It will give you much more latitude on what you can post. JMO

I'm going through the process. Until then, "moo." I guess?

 

[Gingerbread7]

I think he looks stunned and stupefied. And of course, not only has he probably not slept much for a while, his car is gone, his house has been searched and he's apparently fled to a friend's house. The life he knew went up in smoke.

I think he definitely knew of fires. He knew exactly what he wrote about as well. He just didn’t know that they wouldn’t burn all evidence apparently. (I didn’t know thatvtill this case, either) His poor plan for body disposal sounds just like murders in Nigeria to me. They aren’t covered up, just left on the side of the road.



A true loner that was found in someone’s apartment with them and reports of women coming and going from his place does not sound like a loner to me, but I do understand what you are saying.

I think he definitely knew of fires. He knew exactly what he wrote about as well. He just didn’t know that they wouldn’t burn all evidence apparently. (I didn’t know thatvtill this case, either) His poor plan for body disposal sounds just like murders in Nigeria to me. They aren’t covered up, just left on the side of the road.



A true loner that was found in someone’s apartment with them and reports of women coming and going from his place does not sound like a loner to me, but I do understand what you are saying.

Loner in the sense of even though he may have interacted with those women, but they are like ghosts as well. I wonder how many have come forward to discuss their interactions with AA. I am fascinated at the lack of information about his personal life. No one is even saying anything about how he was as a soldier, a coworker, a boyfriend, a friend, a brother, a student, as a neighbor. Think about it.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I'm going through the process. Until then, "moo." I guess?

No problem.

I don't disagree with most of what you've said and I find your posts informative and conducive to further discussion. JMO

 

[Tricia]

Hi Everyone,

The woman who has come forward to tell her story about A.A. raping her has agreed to take questions.

Please understand that she is fragile and is trying her best.

If anyone is harsh or judgemental in any way not only will my head explode but you will be removed from Websleuths.

Thank you in advance for being polite and thoughtful when you post your questions.

Take Care,
Tricia

 

[wary]

Okay thanks! I couldn't remember any statement beyond that it was undecided, so I thought I'd missed something!

I think your Rule 1 is 100% accurate!

I think that LE and DA are trying hard to establish that they’re treating AA just like any other suspected murderer. It was interesting to hear both the Sheriff and the DA, in separate press conferences, lay out damning evidence and follow it with the ‘presumption of innocence’ explanation.

So, I think they want to present the idea with the death penalty too, that they’re going to do it just the way they do it for any murder case. (I’m not saying that’s the way they think of it—just that it’s how they want to treat it.)

All this MOO

 

[wary]

Hi Everyone,

The woman who has come forward to tell her story about A.A. raping her has agreed to take questions.

Please understand that she is fragile and is trying her best.

If anyone is harsh or judgemental in any way not only will my head explode but you will be removed from Websleuths.

Thank you in advance for being polite and thoughtful when you post your questions.

Take Care,
Tricia

I don’t know if she wants to answer this, and of course she doesn’t have to. Is she the woman we’ve already heard about in MSM? So—just to be sure, are we looking at two rape accusations or one?