Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #6

[Sachi]

OMG

Omg!! With you on this.

 

[NoSI]

FBI can be requested for something as simple as; the jurisdictional agency having a lack of resources, technology, man power, etc.

Thank you so much! I appreciate it. That makes total sense.

 

[ardean]

You are not kidding. It's only the one person commenting with detailed information. I checked her FB page. She appears legitimate. MOO.

Effort to hide driver's identity in Mackenzie Lueck case, retired FBI agent says

SFA:
“If that’s a friend of Ms. Lueck’s, why don’t they pick her up at the airport?” said Greg Rogers, who has worked dozens of missing persons cases in his 30 years with the FBI.

“There was some effort made to hide who that person was,” he said, adding: “You can’t go to the airport in your car and not be seen. If you pull up at the airport, your car’s there, your license plate’s tagged. There’s way too much video. You’re identified.”

Rogers, who’s not involved with the case, said Lueck must’ve communicated with the driver before they met at the park in North Salt Lake.

“That was arranged,” he said. “That didn’t just happen coincidentally, so there had to be some calls, texts, something to set that up.”

They learned from Richard Jewell being falsely identified as the Atlanta bomber.

 

[PommyMommy]

Effort to hide driver's identity in Mackenzie Lueck case, retired FBI agent says

SFA:
“If that’s a friend of Ms. Lueck’s, why don’t they pick her up at the airport?” said Greg Rogers, who has worked dozens of missing persons cases in his 30 years with the FBI.

“There was some effort made to hide who that person was,” he said, adding: “You can’t go to the airport in your car and not be seen. If you pull up at the airport, your car’s there, your license plate’s tagged. There’s way too much video. You’re identified.”

Rogers, who’s not involved with the case, said Lueck must’ve communicated with the driver before they met at the park in North Salt Lake.

“That was arranged,” he said. “That didn’t just happen coincidentally, so there had to be some calls, texts, something to set that up.”

Rogers said “very, very infrequently” does a missing persons case involving the FBI and this amount of time turn out well.

 

[Snoop Sister]

Too much drama on those fb sites for me!

On another note...I think this will be a retrieval situation

 

[24Brix]

Yup, key words being “at this time”... At the very least, it looks pretty suspicious to me that the person she was texting with after arriving at the airport didn’t previously contact the police with this info, despite media reports, police press conference, etc... I’m also wondering if that person contacted police after their tweet, or if the police had to further find/contact them... hmmmm

Yep. It sounds like LE has had their initial discussion with the non-POIATT. Now they’ll do their due diligence on the statements made by this person, turn over a few rocks, etc., and see where it all leads. Hopefully this marks the beginning of a new phase in the investigation. All MOO, of course...

 

[oviedo]

Ha! Same thought occurred to me reading this article!

Sure seems like a lot of sleuthers here would make great FBI agents.

JMO.

Or some retired FBI agents read along here (which I do know of at least one active from many years ago)

 

[MsBetsy]

Effort to hide driver's identity in Mackenzie Lueck case, retired FBI agent says

SFA:
“If that’s a friend of Ms. Lueck’s, why don’t they pick her up at the airport?” said Greg Rogers, who has worked dozens of missing persons cases in his 30 years with the FBI.

“There was some effort made to hide who that person was,” he said, adding: “You can’t go to the airport in your car and not be seen. If you pull up at the airport, your car’s there, your license plate’s tagged. There’s way too much video. You’re identified.”

Rogers, who’s not involved with the case, said Lueck must’ve communicated with the driver before they met at the park in North Salt Lake.

“That was arranged,” he said. “That didn’t just happen coincidentally, so there had to be some calls, texts, something to set that up.”

Didn't we all say this in the beginning? We should all be PI's. He must be reading here.

 

[Anance]

Unless one is in the presence of someone very comfortable...any “date” requires some emotional effort...making conversation, showing interest, ...engaging with the other person. I would think this would be even more required in a situation of the SD/SB sort. Is someone going to give you some material reward for saying...”I’m too tired to talk or listen to you tonite.”

BBM

IMO - a strong ongoing sugar baby relationship might be relaxing. A getaway from family obligations to chill with a sympathetic person. After reviewing information regarding sugar-baby culture and comparing it to historical antecedents, I found a connection to murder in this context.

A sugar-baby appears to be what used to called a courtesan, meaning the relationship may be sexual or not, but it is paid for. While courtesans for kings and powerful men are well-known, less well-known are the courtesans in America in the 1800s catering to well-off but not super rich men.

Many were young men newly sent to New York City to apprentice for a position of responsibility. The young men had money, but no socially acceptable outlets for a sexual/love relationship. The women they would eventually marry could not engage in premarital sex. So they engaged in paid romances with courtesans. The courtesans sent letters, declared undying love, etc. They had more one client usually - but, each was treated as a love affair. Think of the situation as a timeshare romance.

In New York, there was famous murder case of a courtesan in the 1830s - Helen Jewett. Based on letters left behind, one problematic detail with the paid romance was that the young man might mistake the relationship for love, despite the paying the woman and knowing about other men.

For this reason, let's keep an open mind about the person that picked her up, who perhaps felt completely betrayed when it dawned on him that his relationship was just arrangement. Courtesans like Helen Jewett were playing a dangerous game.

Read more:
https://www.amazon.com/Murder-Helen-Jewett-Patricia-Cline/dp/0679740759

 

[Whiteorchids]

I’m not so convinced it was a hook up situation or a SD meetup. Especially given coming back from a funeral and her style of dress. One of the pics from the airport looked like she had been crying.

I agree. I think guy in her past.

 

[J Block]

Or some retired FBI agents read along here (which I do know of at least one active from many years ago)

You might be surprised how many agencies use this board; as a member, or ghost.

 

[oviedo]

Didn't we all say this in the beginning? We should all be PI's. He must be reading here.

My thoughts as well

 

[Snoop Sister]

BBM

IMO - a strong ongoing sugar baby relationship might be relaxing. A getaway from family obligations to chill with a sympathetic person. After reviewing information regarding sugar-baby culture and comparing it to historical antecedents, I found a connection to murder in this context.

A sugar-baby appears to be what used to called a courtesan, meaning the relationship may be sexual or not, but it is paid for. While courtesans for kings and powerful men are well-known, less well-known are the courtesans in America in the 1800s catering to well-off but not super rich men.

Many were young men newly sent to New York City to apprentice for a position of responsibility. The young men had money, but no socially acceptable outlets for a sexual/love relationship. The women they would eventually marry could not engage in premarital sex. So they engaged in paid romances with courtesans. The courtesans sent letters, declared undying love, etc. They had more one client usually - but, each was treated as a love affair. Think of the situation as a timeshare romance.

In New York, there was famous murder case of a courtesan in the 1830s - Helen Jewett. Based on letters left behind, one problematic detail with the paid romance was that the young man might mistake the relationship for love, despite the paying the woman and knowing about other men.

For this reason, let's keep an open mind about the person that picked her up, who perhaps felt completely betrayed when it dawned on him that his relationship was just arrangement. Courtesans like Helen Jewett were playing a dangerous game.

Read more:
https://www.amazon.com/Murder-Helen-Jewett-Patricia-Cline/dp/0679740759

Yes, like a few of us have mentioned earlier...it is not a new thing. It has been going on for ages...Just a different name and justification.

 

[oviedo]

You might be surprised how many agencies use this board; as a member, or ghost.

I’m not at all -been involved with a few over the years ...

 

[MsBetsy]

Delete

 

[Blueberry2720]

RSBM
Another trend is FinDom - women are sent money and gifts by rich men and the men see it as an act of submission. They are never expected to meet - it’s all electronic transfers and the men are sent content of the women spending the money.

No Spring chicken here again. So, these dudes are sitting wherever sending women money? And then the women spend it? And send the nice dude some pics? So my profile could be my good looking daughter, friend, whoever, and then send him pics of her spending the bucks and he'll think it's me ? Damn. I'd love to try that.

 

[Jcscham]

If you want a crash course in what "online only" means go to chaturbate. Girls getting paid by guys all over the world just to talk to them, selling access to a private snap story account, doing video shows, live, and in private, selling themselves as online girlfriends available whenever someone across the globe just needs someone to talk to. There are so many different variations of it and they can all be found in one place. Many of the girls there are smart college girls with other jobs but can make thousands there in under a few hours all "online only"

 

[Anance]

....To me she doesn't seem heart less enough to just vanish of her own free will and leave her family, especially following a very recent death, wondering and worrying about her!

Grief makes one do crazy things.

 

[Snoop Sister]

If you want a crash course in what "online only" means go to chaturbate. Girls getting paid by guys all over the world just to talk to them, selling access to a private snap story account, doing video shows, live, and in private, selling themselves as online girlfriends available whenever someone across the globe just needs someone to talk to. There are so many different variations of it and they can all be found in one place. Many of the girls there are smart college girls with other jobs but can make thousands there in under a few hours all "online only"

There are many websites where men pay to watch women do their thing on cam.

 

[Kirrie]

So no warrant or permission from the courts at all is required to look into someone's phone records?

Sure needs signed of by a judge takes minutes!.