GUILTY UT - Megan Huntsman charged in deaths of 7 newborns, Pleasant Grove, 1996-2006

[jjenny]

Remember that by the time of the last baby, this woman was G10, P10.

As in, gravida 10. Ten pregnancies and deliveries that we know of. That is pretty uncommon in the U.S. nowadays. Some religious and cultural groups have a lot of kids, but 10 in a woman of her age is a lot.

Labor and pushing may have been extremely fast by about baby #4. We don't know if they were all full term.

And she may not have kept accurate dates, or any kind of dates, of when the babies were born. Actually, keeping the bodies in the garage of the home she and her 3 girls lived in is very odd and "disorganized behavior" even for a serial killer. You would think she might want to dispose of the bodies over time to cover her actions. Surely she knew they were still in the garage in boxes, and could be discovered by anyone.

Just a horrific case. I hate to admit this, but with so many bodies, I actually wondered if any of the babies were birthed by her daughters. DNA will be interesting.

I am not asking whether she kept accurate dates. I am asking whether she gave the police accurate years. She claims all these babies were born before hubby was send to prison.
It would have made more sense to me if they were born after hubby went to prison.

 

[angiefly2]

I would think you've either got to have a very serious hourly meth addiction, or have experienced a severe psychotic break (or both?) in order to feel the living movement of 6 children in your womb only to murder them once born.

Wow - her booking photo is very scary. Noted she doesn't have a sore-ridden face prevalent with long-term meth addicts.

As someone stated above, I too am curious to hear the DNA results - because it's possible that her daughters might have carried some of these children.

Beyond Fathomable.

BBM

My friend's mother was/is a meth addict and she was a heavy user. My friend has never been a drug user and has always tried to keep her mom away from her and her children. I've witnessed first hand how paranoid and weird her mom was while on meth... Her mom showed up at her house on a couple different occasions. It's scary because other than the mental side effects (which are scary enough), you'd have never known that her mother was addicted to meth. I think she's been doing it for some 10 plus years. Point being is that apparently not everyone gets those sores. Just thought I'd mention that. Also I read somewhere that MH was/is an alcoholic. Maybe she was worried about FAS (Fetal Alcohol Syndrome) IDK, it's pure speculation on my part because the article wasn't very clear about alcohol use.

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It was originally reported that Megan had moved out of the house in 2011 due to her alcohol addiction, but new reports suggest that she was kicked out by Darren’s parents after they found out she was having an affair with a co-worker.

http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/04/15...ad-babies-not-her-husband-affair-darren-west/

 

[ClaireNC]

I am not asking whether she kept accurate dates. I am asking whether she gave the police accurate years. She claims all these babies were born before hubby was send to prison.
It would have made more sense to me if they were born after hubby went to prison.

It seems likely that the years she gave police are wrong. The news reported that the bodies were in various stages of decomposition and there was a smell. If the bodies were in the garage for 8 to 15 years as she reported, wouldn't decomposition be pretty much complete?

 

[ClaireNC]

Baffling!
Especially considering birth control is so readily available, inexpensive and can even be free.
I've got nothing.
She suffers from some bizarre post partum psychosis?
I've got nothing....
Is she delusional?
Schizophrenic?

It's beyond comprehension.

Some interesting bits in this article: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57822328-78/huntsman-flowers-amp-west.html.csp

BBM What could possibly be the motive for killing 6 babies? Could it be just as simple as trying to hide the fact that she was having an affair or affairs? But police do not think she has a mental illness?

Investigators know Huntsman’s motive, police Capt. Michael Roberts said Tuesday. But they are declining to specify what it was, except to say that they do not suspect mental illness was involved.

Also in that article: When she was arrested, she was living with a boyfriend in West Valley City and had a miscarriage several months ago. She loved kids and did babysitting for neighbors. One of her older daughters is currently pregnant and she was excited about being a grandmother. Notice the last paragraph that police are asking neighbors about a small trailer in the back yard. (IMO-Possibly where she gave birth?)

Another Daily Mail article with more info, but "consider the source". http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-mom-says-no-idea-six-murdered-newborns.html

 

[angiefly2]

My responses to the article in green
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Josh Flowers, who has lived next door to Huntsman in a West Valley City mobile-home park for the past year, remembers how the pregnant woman went to the hospital several months ago because of a miscarriage.
Yeah, I hope the police are looking into the "miscarriage" because who knows what really happened.
Police say she had, and lost, seven other babies.
Ummm, she didn't LOSE them, she murdered them
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"She loved kids," Flowers said Tuesday. After Huntsman moved in with her boyfriend a little more than a year ago, she started watching Flowers’ three toddler and grade-school-age children and his nephew. She would go to the park with them and play ball.

Flowers’ 10-year-old daughter in particular liked her.

"That’s where I’m still at. ... She watched my kids," Flowers said. "She was in my house."

I don't know why she did what she did if she "loved" children so much, maybe she felt guilty for murdering her babies and tried to make her narcissistic self feel better by watching other peoples children?
Snipped: But they probably won’t be able to figure out if the babies were born alive unless one measures significantly bigger than a typical newborn or there are obvious signs of trauma that caused the death, Hess said. His office handles hundreds of bodies a year found in varying degrees of decomposition in the harsh Arizona desert.

The inability to scientifically determine if the babies were born alive could be key later if defense attorneys argue that the babies were stillborn.

Really?!?! As if being stillborn should freaking matter! Let's say they were stillborn, first off how in the heck would she know they were stillborn before giving birth in the garage or wherever she gave birth, did she give birth to her living children at home as well, if not then she would have gone to the hospital to give birth and THEN found out they were stillborn, making that argument invalid, correct??? and secondly why wouldn't she call an ambulance or call police or even tell her family? Nope, instead she hid their bodies in boxes in the garage for YEARS. Didn't she just tell the police that she killed 6 and that 1 was stillborn? yeah, throw that dumba$$ defense out the window please. SMH

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57822328-78/huntsman-flowers-amp-west.html.csp

 

[Tricia]

Hi Everyone,

I hope you will join me tomorrow night (Thursday) 8 PM Eastern. I'll have KSL veteran reporter Sandra Yi on to discuss this bizarre and horrific case.

Joins us on live on iHeart Radio tomorrow night 8 PM Eastern by CLICKING HERE

 

[angiefly2]

Rant alert:


For some reason I keep coming back to this case and checking for updates. I guess it's because I cannot wrap my head around what she did. I also want to know the motive (not that it matters, but I always want to know why people do the horrific things that they do) I guess that's the common denominator for most of us. We just want to know, because we aren't murderers and we don't think like one. I always want answers, but the answers, in the end, never end up satisfying my curiosity. I obviously want to try and help the victims, as well, but if I am being honest, it's the curiosity that got me into following cases and watching trials in the first place. I really want to know why she did this. Not that her answer will make a difference anyway. I just want to know. As with any case I follow, I want to see it through. I want justice for the victim/s. It's just so frustrating that there are people that do horrific things to other people. I think what gets me the most is when parents kill their own children. That is something I will NEVER understand. Innocent children, little babies, dying/murdered, FOR WHAT??? You'd have to be a special kind of evil to kill, especially innocent children. This monster killed 6 babies. SIX! Six times she looked at the faces of new life, the most beautiful gift in the world IMO, and she TOOK IT AWAY. I'll never understand. There is no word/s. NONE
Sorry for the rant but I needed to post this. Even if this post doesn't make sense to anyone but me, I had to post it; to get it off my chest and out of my head. Thanks for letting me share and if you read this far thank you. Rant over

 

[jjenny]

It'd be very hard to understand why she did it. I don't think there can be a reasonable explanation. Utah actually has the safe heaven laws so she could have dropped the infants off. I do have suspicions about her motive. Right now I don't buy the timeline she provided as to when the infants were killed. Hopefully autopsy can tell.

 

[wenwe4]

This story so reminds me of the case of Stacey Jones who abandoned two of her three infants and killed one of the twins by placing the infants on top of each other in a cardboard box. Stacey did leave the two living infants where they would be found - they survived. Interestingly, her own father (a teacher) was later convicted of sexually abusing one of his students, a developmentally delayed teenage girl.

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2002160122_webabandon25.html

the article in the link above references how Jones hid the infants in a box in her closet so her other children would not hear the babies. DNA in her case reveals the children (both the twins and the older sister abandoned some 2 years previously) were not fathered by her husband.

 

[lawstudent]

I think it's pretty clear that women who do this right after giving birth did not develop any bond with the child during pregnancy. It most often happens with teen mothers who did not know or were in denial they were pregnant. Something similar must have gone on with this woman and some others who've done similar things - I don't think they see the child as human, and they just quickly suffocate it and move on. They seem to just be in total denial. Still does not explain what went on with this woman, but for some reason she was just totally disconnected from what was going on it seems. I do remember another case like this from a while ago, although the woman didn't have a husband - I forget what the whole story was. She brought the babies from house to house in a suitcase....

For some reason it seems like a lot of bodies kept indoors don't decompose fully - there are a lot of weird cases I've read where people have been hid in a garage and found relatively intact - I realize it must be related to temperature and some other things, but they probably can tell if there's been trauma. Most mothers who do this suffocate them, though, so there are no signs.

 

[txsvicki]

Definitely big news here. I was so sick and disgusted last night I couldn't comment much.

Anyways, I was reading the comments at KSL and people that know her through grocery shopping at her work and such, state she never looked pregnant. That she looked like she gained a little weight. I think she hid her pregnancies from everyone, including her husband. Might be hard to do, but doable. Loose clothing, not being intimate, not letting anyone see you naked.

Another poster stated that one of the surviving pregnancies was not discovered until the end. So it makes me wonder if the surviving children survived because she was discovered pregnant. KWIM? Otherwise they would have ended up deceased. You can't control where you are at when your water breaks.....

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=29468859&ni...period-police-say&fm=home_page&s_cid=topstory

I'm just now reading this story, but bet her mother or a female relative showed up unexpectedly and knew right away she was pregnant with a surviving child. Drug use must have kept her from seeking prenatal care or even bothering to get out and get birth control.

 

[ClaireNC]

Some additional details. She gave birth to the murdered babies at home and she had also hidden the fact that she was pregnant with her first two daughters. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-killing-babies-gave-birth-home-police-n82496

Her husband has retained a lawyer: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home3/57826827-200/huntsman-case-police-infants.html.csp

And LE has not ruled out making additional arrests: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2606255/Police-Utah-woman-gave-birth-home.html

On Tuesday, they served a new search warrant at the house of a family member, Roberts said, but that turned up nothing useful.

He said investigators are poring over evidence to find out if Huntsman gave birth and killed any other babies, but they don't believe that to be the case, he said.

 

[LisaB]

how many living kids does she have? why would she keep them and murder others? and how is it that not one person close to her noticed she was pregnant?! and how is it possible for her to hide SEVEN births (and deaths)???

did she have her first two or three kids and then decide she was done?! murder was her birth control?!

ugh, I'm sick to my stomach now

At the risk of being politically incorrect... if she was having adulterous relationships, she may have had to wait until the births to determine paternity based on skin color or other factors, and "discarded" the ones her husband would know were not his. Perhaps she erred and some of these babies were, in fact, his... perhaps one or more of those she spared merely "pass" as his and DNA tests would reveal they aren't. In any event, this is a horrible crime, and while ONE unplanned pregnancy might be the result of poor judgement and lack of planning, it should have served as a wake-up call to her to prevent future unwanted pregnancies. I am still baffled that her family never noticed her pregnancies or the lack of children that resulted therefrom.

 

[blue22]

Why were those children allowed to live but not the other 7?

Can you imagine what those children have seen in their lives while living with that woman?

Maybe the others were boys? Babies that resulted from affairs? I don't think it will ever make sense, no matter the reason.

 

[wenwe4]

I believe she was willing to do anything to hide the fact she was pregnant. She found during her (first?) two pregnancies with her oldest daughters that she could conceal she was ever pregnant until she delivered (according to news reports), and knew she could easily deceive people at that point. Whatever her "motive", I think she only admitted to being pregnat or having the babies when she was "caught" @ or near the time of delivery. I would venture to guess she has a motivation to lie, manipulate, and deceive others as a way to control them. The ultimate control came when she suffocated and/or strangled those tiny infants to meet her own needs (whatever those might have been). This is a special kind of sick (IMO)!

 

[Tricia]

Sandra Yi from KSL in Salt Lake City joined me to discuss Megan Huntsman's case on iHeart Radio's True Crime Radio.

Sandra offered some very unique insights into the case.

If you missed it you can listen to the show by CLICKING RIGHT HERE

Thank you,
Tricia

 

[K_Z]

Megan Huntsman appeared in court today.

http://news.yahoo.com/woman-accused-babies-deaths-appears-court-170934383.html

PROVO, Utah (AP) — Prosecutors have been granted more time to determine what charges to file against a Utah woman accused of killing six of her babies and storing their bodies in her garage.

Megan Huntsman, 39, was in court Monday wearing a baggy prison jumpsuit, her hands and ankles shackled. She mostly stared at the ground as prosecutors asked the judge for two weeks to sort through evidence and ensure they choose the proper charges.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/utah-mom-accused-of-killing-newborns-appears-in-court/

PROVO, Utah - Megan Huntsman, the Utah mother accused of killing six of her newborns, appeared in court briefly Monday morning and a judge approved her request for a public defender, reports the Salt Lake Tribune.

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Huntsman was scheduled to be arraigned Monday, but county attorney asked Jeff Buhman asked a judge for two more weeks to give his office more time to sort through evidence and ensure they choose the proper charges. Formal charges have yet to be filed, reports the paper.

Huntsman's newly-appointed attorney argued the delay was too long, and a judge scheduled her next appearance for April 28, reports the paper.

 

[ellemo]

Wow. What a strange story. I suspect that she carried her children in such a way that it was not overwhelmingly obvious that she was pregnant. She was pregnant so often that neighbors/ acquaintances just began thinking of her as the overweight neighbor who looks a little pregnant. She was probably either pregnant or still carrying that post-birth weight for a decade. If she always look a pregnant but never has a kid what else would a normal person think?
I wonder what it means when they say her pregnancies for the living children were hidden until they were born. Did she suddenly show up with a baby? Or did she suddenly seek medical attention toward the end of the pregnancy? If it were the first, perhaps only the girls were kept or the ones that outwardly appeared to not be the result of affairs. If it were the second, I am in agreement with those who think maybe only the pregnancies that were "discovered" by someone resulted in living children.
People like this make me question God as why some women can get pregnant so easily while other potentially loving couples cannot conceive.

 

[blue22]

Sandra Yi from KSL in Salt Lake City joined me to discuss Megan Huntsman's case on iHeart Radio's True Crime Radio.

Sandra offered some very unique insights into the case.

If you missed it you can listen to the show by CLICKING RIGHT HERE

Thank you,
Tricia

Are allowed to discuss anything said in the radio show?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Are allowed to discuss anything said in the radio show?

Yes!!


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