Found Deceased UT - Michael Cavallari, 30, Grand County, 27 Nov 2015

[ClaireNC]

Right, and when he turned around he thought he had a straight road back to the interstate but as you can see there is a bend in the road and he went straight 100 feet and crashed.

He could have been in a psychosis and hallucinating that somebody or something was following him. He took the turn too fast, crashed and just jumped out of the car and started running.

 

[ILOKAL]

Dawn was at 6:43 AM in Moab on November 27th. He was "probably" traveling about 70 mph with no stops after leaving the gas station in Monticello. That might have put him where his car was found as early as 5:00 AM. He might just have been disgusted when he found he had made a wrong term and when he turned around he may have gunned it and ended up going way too fast to negotiate that curve. It looks pretty obvious that he couldn't get the car out of the gully himself so probably headed toward the road in hopes of a passerby offering him help. As desolate and dark as it would have been, if in a sound state of mind, he would have known that soon it would be light which might offer a better chance of passing cars. He was dressed very skimpy for the temperature, and that, along with probably no sleep, was probably very tired and might have found it difficult to stay awake. But then what happened gets difficult to try to determine. Did he decide to walk into a tree-lined area and bed down until daylight? If so, he might have passed in his sleep due to hypothermia. If so, the question is, where is his body? Was he carried away by an animal/s? I think the black bears were hibernating then, though I'm not sure. Then there's mountain lions and coyotes. I think the coyotes would leave a mess. Mountain lions cover their kill. Of course the snow that came later that day makes finding anything nearly impossible.

 

[cattlekate]

He could have been in a psychosis and hallucinating that somebody or something was following him. He took the turn too fast, crashed and just jumped out of the car and started running.

This seems a likely scenario to me, after reading Michael, at one time, was paranoid the CIA was spying on him. Perhaps headlights of a car behind him on I70 made him paranoid someone was following him so he took the Floy exit. Perhaps he left the phone and laptop because he thought they were being used by the CIA to spy on him. He left the car running and fled into the desert. Maybe hunkered down into a gully to hide, fell asleep, then succumbed to hypothermia.

It'd be helpful to know when Michael left SoCal, as it would show if he was well-rested or not. If he left on TDay, and drove straight through the night (14 or more hours at the wheel), then he might have exacerbated a mental crisis.

 

[ninij9]

Dawn was at 6:43 AM in Moab on November 27th. He was "probably" traveling about 70 mph with no stops after leaving the gas station in Monticello. That might have put him where his car was found as early as 5:00 AM. He might just have been disgusted when he found he had made a wrong term and when he turned around he may have gunned it and ended up going way too fast to negotiate that curve. It looks pretty obvious that he couldn't get the car out of the gully himself so probably headed toward the road in hopes of a passerby offering him help. As desolate and dark as it would have been, if in a sound state of mind, he would have known that soon it would be light which might offer a better chance of passing cars. He was dressed very skimpy for the temperature, and that, along with probably no sleep, was probably very tired and might have found it difficult to stay awake. But then what happened gets difficult to try to determine. Did he decide to walk into a tree-lined area and bed down until daylight? If so, he might have passed in his sleep due to hypothermia. If so, the question is, where is his body? Was he carried away by an animal/s? I think the black bears were hibernating then, though I'm not sure. Then there's mountain lions and coyotes. I think the coyotes would leave a mess. Mountain lions cover their kill. Of course the snow that came later that day makes finding anything nearly impossible.

Your scenario seems very plausible to me. I don't want to comment on mountain lions due to the whiplash I still have from the DeOrr Kunz thread.

Hasn't it proven out though in so many instances that the poor soul being searched for has been found later close to the general area searches looked? To me there is an 80 percent chance he is passed and lying in general vicinity. The other 20 percent? Ten percent chance he walked and hitched a ride out and is punishing dad for kicking him out. And 10 percent chance he was abducted by aliens. But I honestly think this guy passed and is in general area.

I have to say though, that sometimes people under the influence have the craziest luck. When they walk away from accidents that have obliterated their vehicle for instance. So my 2nd scenario, where he walked away and is sitting somewhere punishing his family, or in deep psychosis also seems possible so maybe I will give that 19 percent and aliens 1 percent (sorry aliens)

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[ILOKAL]

This seems a likely scenario to me, after reading Michael, at one time, was paranoid the CIA was spying on him. Perhaps headlights of a car behind him on I70 made him paranoid someone was following him so he took the Floy exit. Perhaps he left the phone and laptop because he thought they were being used by the CIA to spy on him. He left the car running and fled into the desert. Maybe hunkered down into a gully to hide, fell asleep, then succumbed to hypothermia.

It'd be helpful to know when Michael left SoCal, as it would show if he was well-rested or not. If he left on TDay, and drove straight through the night (14 or more hours at the wheel), then he might have exacerbated a mental crisis.

I don't know. At the gas station, Michael "looks" good. His eyes look normal as well as the rest of his expressions and posture. I don't think we can assume he was psychotic or paranoid or intoxicated just because he has been in the past. It was pitch black out and anyone might have missed that curve, especially if they were driving faster than suggested. I would imagine when he realized his car was stuck he panicked, especially if he was injured. Another possibility is he might have stayed inside his car to stay warm until it got light enough for him to look for help. Someone might have seen him and gave him a ride. I hope that's what happened and Michael just doesn't know people are looking for him or he decided to stay gone for a while.

 

[tiffay01]

I would love to think he is in a rehab somewhere getting the mental/alcohol help he is in need of (based off of what the reports are saying). However, after this much time has passed, and he is still missing I just don't see this ending well.

Its so sad and hard to see someone at such a young age deteriorate and loose their life. It's just odd that he's gone into what appears to be thin air.

 

[cattlekate]

http://www.moabsunnews.com/news/article_ef123de0-9f5e-11e5-86e4-576ea8222468.html

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

Good thoughts but I'm pretty sure it's number 2, as there are not hitch-hikers and such in November. This is Mormon, Adventist, desert-junkie, and generally-non-druggie country. Yeah, sure, during the tourist season April to September, there are people wandering up hwy 191 in search of Edward Abbey's "Desert Solitaire" or searching for personal reflection in the magnificent but stark Utah desert. But things really close down at the end of October. It is really really cold in the Utah desert after Halloween. I seriously doubt Michael happened upon ANYBODY that early morning of Nov 27. I think this poor child was spinning due to paranoid schizophrenia or mania, took that Floy exit, went down that road, tried to turn back, went careening into the desert, and then wandered.

Once he's found, I guess the discussion will be how he, or his loved ones, could've gotten him help. Thank goodness the shotgun was confiscated and this didn't escalate to threaten the safety of another person. So very sad.

That's not to say he didn't own any other weapons. He may have planned his own demise. It would be a lot of work to set up a car one way and travel another way to then end your own life, but we've all seen crazier things so who knows.

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

Dawn was at 6:43 AM in Moab on November 27th. He was "probably" traveling about 70 mph with no stops after leaving the gas station in Monticello. That might have put him where his car was found as early as 5:00 AM. He might just have been disgusted when he found he had made a wrong term and when he turned around he may have gunned it and ended up going way too fast to negotiate that curve. It looks pretty obvious that he couldn't get the car out of the gully himself so probably headed toward the road in hopes of a passerby offering him help. As desolate and dark as it would have been, if in a sound state of mind, he would have known that soon it would be light which might offer a better chance of passing cars. He was dressed very skimpy for the temperature, and that, along with probably no sleep, was probably very tired and might have found it difficult to stay awake. But then what happened gets difficult to try to determine. Did he decide to walk into a tree-lined area and bed down until daylight? If so, he might have passed in his sleep due to hypothermia. If so, the question is, where is his body? Was he carried away by an animal/s? I think the black bears were hibernating then, though I'm not sure. Then there's mountain lions and coyotes. I think the coyotes would leave a mess. Mountain lions cover their kill. Of course the snow that came later that day makes finding anything nearly impossible.

If you do an aerial view, there aren't many trees in this area. We've camped in Moab many times and never ever been warned about bears. Maybe lions, but we've never seen anything but coyotes out in those areas. There are scorpions but I'd think late November is too cold for them to be surfaced. Too cold for snakes as well.

 

[Coquette]

http://www.moabsunnews.com/news/article_ef123de0-9f5e-11e5-86e4-576ea8222468.html

Although Cavallari went missing one day after Thanksgiving, Neal said the sheriff's office held off on publicizing the disappearance at the family's request.

“They didn't want it to go to the news media,” he said

So his family has hindered the possibility of help from the public early on when this was a fresh case and he was newly missing because they didn't want the negative attention? No words...

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

http://www.moabsunnews.com/news/article_ef123de0-9f5e-11e5-86e4-576ea8222468.html

Why in the world would a family request no media attention. I never ever understand this! You care more about what people might think of your family (or two of your family members), than his well-being and getting eyes out there looking for the guy?! Ugg.

I'm a Colorado girl and we hated Cutler when he was here. I was indifferent to Kristen. But now? Grr.

 

[bellesnwhistles]

I understand the frustration and also think they should have gone public immediately but they were trying to protect mike. They thought his dirty laundry being aired would just be worse for him and I really think they thought he wasn't in danger and was going to show up after a bit. This is a really hard time for them too. I just pray he is found safe and soon.

 

[ninij9]

I don't know. At the gas station, Michael "looks" good. His eyes look normal as well as the rest of his expressions and posture. I don't think we can assume he was psychotic or paranoid or intoxicated just because he has been in the past. It was pitch black out and anyone might have missed that curve, especially if they were driving faster than suggested. I would imagine when he realized his car was stuck he panicked, especially if he was injured. Another possibility is he might have stayed inside his car to stay warm until it got light enough for him to look for help. Someone might have seen him and gave him a ride. I hope that's what happened and Michael just doesn't know people are looking for him or he decided to stay gone for a while.

True. A good bang on the head can have same results. In any event he either made it out and cannot or won't surface, or he's still in general area and has passed due to injuries and/or elements.

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[tiffay01]

I understand the frustration and also think they should have gone public immediately but they were trying to protect mike. They thought his dirty laundry being aired would just be worse for him and I really think they thought he wasn't in danger and was going to show up after a bit. This is a really hard time for them too. I just pray he is found safe and soon.

I agree I bet they figured it was a "just Mike being Mike situation", whatever that might look like to them. With his recent troubles, they most likely thought this not being made into a huge public spectacle would be the best way to keep him out of any potential trouble. He might not have been given permission to travel or leave the area etc. so they thought perhaps they were "helping" him by keeping it quiet. Although, I am definitely open to it being sis and BIL not wanting to risk bringing anymore negativity to their "names"!

Where are you Mike?

 

[DexterMorgan]

And what kind of lion was that?

Lol. He was a big male lion like Cecil with more than normal excessive hair around head and facial area. The fur ball was actually 3.8 lbs. They only noticed once he started being inactive. Who needs a guard dog when you could have this big kitty. Lol. Anyways here is the article.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ery-3-8-pound-solid-mass-removed-stomach.html

 

[DexterMorgan]

So his family has hindered the possibility of help from the public early on when this was a fresh case and he was newly missing because they didn't want the negative attention? No words...

Agree. I hope they atleast warned the girlfriend that he would have tried to kill that day if she opened the door.

Who has a shotgun out in the open while banging on their exes door. This guy was going to kill her. And he probably still does want to. And he is probably circling back to do so. Jmo.

 

[DexterMorgan]

..I'm glad that my confusion about doors has sparked such a stimulating discussion :waiting: Appreciate you guys all chiming in to point out that yes, I am indeed the only one who doesn't open doors backwards. :tsktsk:




Something's been bugging me for a long time since someone first suggested this. Remember, guys, that this ex lives all the way back in CA. I really, really doubt he's making it back there to attack her without his car. I sincerely doubt that this is a possibility at all whatsoever, since we have no evidence of him being picked up by an accomplice. Especially since all of his belongings were left behind.

Estranged partners do it all the time for a sake of a long distance alibi. They will go back and track their partners down at the least expected time while their partners are thinking that the coast is clear of their deranged lover whom is suppose to be 1000 miles away. Jmo

 

[BRRI]

Why in the world would a family request no media attention. I never ever understand this! You care more about what people might think of your family (or two of your family members), than his well-being and getting eyes out there looking for the guy?! Ugg.

I'm a Colorado girl and we hated Cutler when he was here. I was indifferent to Kristen. But now? Grr.

I think they know more than what the media is putting out, probably initially had reason to believe he was not a missing person

 

[Coquette]

Agree. I hope they atleast warned the girlfriend that he would have tried to kill that day if she opened the door.

Who has a shotgun out in the open while banging on their exes door. This guy was going to kill her. And he probably still does want to. And he is probably circling back to do so. Jmo.

Well, there's no doubt that he was stalking her and he's clearly very unstable. I don't personally believe he's gone back to harm her. I think he's likely deceased in the desert somewhere or there's a slight chance he hooked up with people who are helping him lay low off the grid. MOO.

 

[bluesneakers]

Estranged partners do it all the time for a sake of a long distance alibi. They will go back and track their partners down at the least expected time while their partners are thinking that the coast is clear of their deranged lover whom is suppose to be 1000 miles away. Jmo

It could also be he got angrier and angrier as the time past, and then hit a boiling point after he wrecked the car.

How long have they been broken up?

Research indicates that the most dangerous time for a battered woman is after she ends the relationship. In the United States, research indicates that women who leave their batterers are at a 75% greater risk of being killed by their batterers than those who stay.

https://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/svaw/domestic/explore/6support.htm