GUILTY UT - Michele MacNeill, 50, found dead in bathtub, Pleasant Grove, 11 April 2007 - #1

[zoey]

Has it ever been stated how many pills were in each prescription?

 

[KALI]

HERE: More links as well:

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/09/30/doctor-martin-macneill-murder-trial-911-call

 

[zoey]

I get everyones comments on the male dt

 

[scorekeeper]

I thought I heard the judge say something about the media being on notice and it will be discussed at 8:20 tomorrow. I think the seal was up when I heard it. Anyone else?

yes, I heard something.....perhaps about papers?

 

[Idaho Lynx]

I thought I heard the judge say something about the media being on notice and it will be discussed at 8:20 tomorrow. I think the seal was up when I heard it. Anyone else?

What I heard after the seal was up (and it sounded like the defense attorney's voice) was he had concerns about the camera panning over their table. He stated that they pass notes and did not want the possibility of that information being viewed.

Well, I tell ya.....the eyes would have to be better than mine then to make out that small print on such a wide screen.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I don't watch HLN. IMO, MacNeill, is so much worse than JA. Have you read about MacNeill? He is horrible IMO.

Well, imo we are comparing apples to oranges. I feel JA is a BPD and the Dr is a psychopath.

However, I will say this much about JA being "worse" in a sense: did you see the manner in which she murdered? It doesn't get more bloody and gruesome than that. Total rage. Total set-up for her poor victim.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Holy Toledo!! :scared:

I guess way back when the Doctor/Lawyer went to school (and for admissions into undergrad and grad school) there were no LCAT's and GRE exams? He didn't have to pass the Bar Exam? No one checked out his credentials along the way? He didn't have to have sealed/letterhead recommendations from undergrad professors to get into grad school? He didn't have to have dozens of classes where he had to earn nearly a 4.0 GPA in *every* class to enter grad school?

Man, it must've been a lot easier to get away with things before the internet which makes grades, testing results, and record-keeping so much more tamper-proof and precise. No one can simply get a hold of a hardcopy transcript and make a 2.6 GPA look like a 3.8 with a stroke of a pen. Not with any consistency anyway. It is now all recorded online and one's academic credentials are examined from a more historical/cumulative perspective.

 

[Sulamith]

Well, imo we are comparing apples to oranges. I feel JA is a BPD and the Dr is a psychopath.

However, I will say this much about JA being "worse" in a sense: did you see the manner in which she murdered? It doesn't get more bloody and gruesome than that. Total rage. Total set-up for her poor victim.

Well, I did not start the comparison. It was a HLN poll asking who was worse. I still think MacNeill was worse. TA's death was more gruesome/bloody and that is why I think JA's trial got more attention. Plus, the Mormon, virginal 30 year old man that was seduced element was sensationalized by Nancy Grace. I still am not convinced that TA did not try to attack JA. He was pretty angry with her and probably angry at himself for what his church said was sinning. Even if MacNeill really did not murder his wife, he betrayed her and their children in many ways. So, I am judging the whole set of circumstances, not just the method of murder. :moo:

 

[Cherry]

Geeze, I'm no doctor, but could tell you with a lot of certainty that taking, Valium, Percocet, and Ambien all together could probably kill a person. :doh: Give her a glass of wine with that, and pretty much dunzo! Your heart will slow to nothing.....

I actually disagree as many people are on cocktails of drugs, loracet ultram ambien Fentynl etc and they are alive and kicking. It depends on the situ disease and diagnosis. In small amts these r not lethal.

 

[Tricia]

This case is a hop skip and jump from my house.

Has anyone read any predictions on how long the trial will last?

I have Friday's off now and I will try and get to the courthouse a week from tomorrow but it may be over by then.

If not I'll see if I can get a seat and then report back to you all.

Maybe even take time off work. In fact I think it states in the Utah Labor Law book that workers can be excused from work, with pay, to attend an interesting murder trial. At least it says it in my Utah Labor Law book.

Can't promise you but I will try to get there.


Tricia

 

[BiancaS]

This case is a hop skip and jump from my house.

Has anyone read any predictions on how long the trial will last?

I have Friday's off now and I will try and get to the courthouse a week from tomorrow but it may be over by then.

If not I'll see if I can get a seat and then report back to you all.

Maybe even take time off work. In fact I think it states in the Utah Labor Law book that workers can be excused from work, with pay, to attend an interesting murder trial. At least it says it in my Utah Labor Law book.

Can't promise you but I will try to get there.


Tricia

They are saying 4-5 weeks, so you should be able to get some good courtroom time in! I'm sure that Labor Laws are in your favor, makes perfect sense to me.

 

[geevee]

This case is a hop skip and jump from my house.

Has anyone read any predictions on how long the trial will last?

I have Friday's off now and I will try and get to the courthouse a week from tomorrow but it may be over by then.

If not I'll see if I can get a seat and then report back to you all.

Maybe even take time off work. In fact I think it states in the Utah Labor Law book that workers can be excused from work, with pay, to attend an interesting murder trial. At least it says it in my Utah Labor Law book.

Can't promise you but I will try to get there.

Tricia

The judge said 5 weeks is his expectation.

Will look forward to your eye witness accounts.

 

[scorekeeper]

This case is a hop skip and jump from my house.

Has anyone read any predictions on how long the trial will last?

I have Friday's off now and I will try and get to the courthouse a week from tomorrow but it may be over by then.

If not I'll see if I can get a seat and then report back to you all.

Maybe even take time off work. In fact I think it states in the Utah Labor Law book that workers can be excused from work, with pay, to attend an interesting murder trial. At least it says it in my Utah Labor Law book.

Can't promise you but I will try to get there.


Tricia

You best get there, LOL

:seeya:

 

[minor4th]

This looks like it could be a good trial to follow. Hope discussion picks up.

The prosecutor is a wee but boring if his opening statement is any indication. But very interesting facts in this case -- and very circumstantial.

 

[Sulamith]

This looks like it could be a good trial to follow. Hope discussion picks up.

The prosecutor is a wee but boring if his opening statement is any indication. But very interesting facts in this case -- and very circumstantial.

I hope the discussion picks up too! I have been waiting for MacNeill to be charged with the murder of his wife since 2010 when I read the article by Sara Lenz in The Deseret News.

At first, I thought the prosecutor was a bit boring but after 10 minutes or so of his opening statements I have to say I like his low-key style. This will be only the second trial I have watched. The first being the Jodi Arias trial. I know I am in the minority but I did not like Juan Martinez's style at all. He made me nervous, IMO, he was all over the place and disrespectful to the defense's witnesses. :moo:

Maybe there can be an Legal Question and Answer thread for this trial??

 

[AlwaysShocked]

Hi All, Thanks to all of you who have posted here. I'm caught up on this thread plus watched the 20/20 show and have read quite a few of the newspaper articles. So I'm ready to go.

I agree, this is such a very sad case.

There's some pretty bizarre stuff in it when you go digging around. The "alleged" (I forget, do we have to say "alleged") murderer with a sister who strangled to death (?) brothers who were alcoholic/drug users who died young and a brother who committed suicide only months prior to this murder.

The ex-mistress who says he confessed to her "as pillow talk" that he had murdered a brother and attempted to murder his own mother!

The only son who made a statement that he supports his father and is estranged from his sisters. The local police sending an email to his New York law school warning that some of his recent tweets might indicate he has a propensity for violence. Then within months he kills himself. Yikes!

The 12 year old girl who may or may not testify is actually the granddaughter of the murderer and the victim - biological daughter of their daughter named Vanessa. But adopted by the grandparents and raised as their child.

And now they are bandying about the bipolar psychiatric history of the daughter Rachel. Which as long as she is stable on medication, I don't really think has anything to do with the credibility of her testimony.

The Defense lawyers have been pretty good in their ability to keep things out of the trial, I'll give them that.

I am just going to keep thinking "Scott Peterson", "Scott Peterson". That jury convicted and sentenced him to death on circumstantial evidence. And there have been several others where the jury put it all together and came back with a conviction. The one where the guy left the two year old little girl with the dead mother and there were the little bloody footprints all over the place. And the other one that comes to mind is a guy who shot his wife on the beach and also shot himself in the chest - non-lethally of course - saying it was some stranger who accosted them on the beach.

In the Peterson trial they had no proof at all as to how Laci had died. And I remember that the Prosecutor started out slow in that trial. Remember Mark Geragos was razzling and dazzling the jury? Making cutesy little jokes and asides in order to draw a laugh from the jury. (I still grit my teeth when I see him on the TV)

I noticed on the list of witnesses for the State they have telephone people listed. Hopefully he was stupid enough to have called or texted the mistress several times from the house when he went back there and murdered his wife that morning. Every little bit helps.

 

[Norwegian]

I just finished watching a show about a woman that had a tummy tuck, breast lift and thigh lift all in the same operation. It took 7-9 hours.

How/why did Michele's facelift take 9 hours? Is this standard?

 

[renatae]

LOL, I was wondering what the defense was on about, with "chemosis," then I realized he must have meant "ecchymosis" which means a bruised spot. Really not cool of him not to just say so, much less mispronounce it.

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[renatae]

I wonder if the doctor on the stand now checked out MacNeill's credentials. Could anybody just tell him that they are a MD and the doctor believes them? The doctor testified that he did not know the MacNeills prior to the office visit.

I think it is very likely because most doctors don't think anyone would have the chutzpah to try to impersonate a physician to another physician.

However, IIRC, MacNeill is a DO, Doctor of Osteopathy, correct? That is a "real" physician. They used to have inferior training, but for many years have been training at the same teaching hospitals as MDs.

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[renatae]

Defendant sent Michelle to another doctor for a pre-op examination. Why on earth did he have all these doctors looking at her?

IMO, he wanted the physicians who treated her to be strangers so not to arouse suspicion amongst his friends and /or colleagues. It is customary to have a full physical done before surgery, and if it wasn't so for his state or for this particular surgery, IMO then he did it to make things look on the up and up.

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