UT UT- STILL MISSING 5 -Year-Old Elizabeth Shelley , Logan, 25 May 2019 (UNCLE ARRESTED) #2

[Trudie]

Lynn is going to talk about this case on HLN.

 

[k8ling0087]

wow I just heard about this now, gonna go back and catch up. In the meantime I hope somehow there is a positive outcome.

 

[ilovechili]

I’m wondering if there could be evidence ie. Bed linens gone, a knife missing, a bat missing etc that would lead to forensic investigation or the obvious assumption he planned to kill her, but also still leave room for the violence to take place outside?

ETA I don’t know why and I apologize but I’m so stuck on the idea of the main assault happening outside of the home...

I agree. I am a flip flopper. I was more on the outside idea up until recently and now I am pretty much 50/50. The PC though makes it sound as if there is forensic evidence in the house and that sways me some. However, I cannot argue with your thought, that has crossed my mind too. A combination of inside and outside...

No apologies necessary with me, I have not closed out either possibility or the combination... We just do not know enough.

Imo.

 

[Inthedetails]

wow I just heard about this now, gonna go back and catch up. In the meantime I hope somehow there is a positive outcome.

Still haven't found her.

 

[Inthedetails]

Presser: LE has DNA-positive materials that link Alex to Lizzy's disappearance.

 

[Inthedetails]

Presser: we would never dash the hope that we would find her alive.

 

[Inthedetails]

Presser: we don't know what took place or motive

 

[Inthedetails]

Presser: we have video showing him walking. Believed he walked the whole way.

 

[Inthedetails]

Presser: Baseball bat is not part of the evidence we are looking at.

 

[Inthedetails]

Presser: We have DNA evidence that links the two of them.

 

[Inthedetails]

Presser: FBI suggestion of 1/2 mile from the home, but tips now leading to wider area

 

[Herat]

I agree. I am a flip flopper. I was more on the outside idea up until recently and now I am pretty much 50/50. The PC though makes it sound as if there is forensic evidence in the house and that sways me some. However, I cannot argue with your thought, that has crossed my mind too. A combination of inside and outside...

No apologies necessary with me, I have not closed out either possibility or the combination... We just do not know enough.

Imo.

I’ve just not made any opinion on this issue, I’m leaving it to the pro’s.

I’m more concerned about his course through the day and the search

 

[lucylulu]

http://kutv.com/news/local/timeline-the-disappearance-of-5-year-old-elizabeth-shelley

 

[Inthedetails]

Presser: Don't want to steal hope from people feeling hopeful. Are concerned of Lizzy's safety. Don't want to call it a recovery.

 

[Trudie]

Agencies that are searching for Elizabeth include the FBI including their Child Exploitation Task Force and Violent Crimes Task Force, Homeland Security, Cache County Sheriff’s Office, North Park Police Department, Smithfield Police Department, Utah Highway Patrol, Adult Probation and Parole and Great Basin K-9.
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This is from previous links. I only wanted to showcase all the agencies involved. FBI & Homeland offer great resources, imo.

 

[Inthedetails]

Presser: Family was up late until about 2am. Woke up at 9:30am. Both were missing at that point. No video of Lizzy.

 

[LusciousLeRoy]

I agree with both and am undecided if I think it occurred in the home or outside. I agree with OBE that it is mostly unheard of inside the home.

However, when we consider what we are led to believe, that he was on foot, possibly with no vehicle and no home to take her to, it somewhat changes the usual possibilities, if he had nowhere to take her.

This is also not a stranger abduction and it is not unheard of for a relative to molest a child in the home downstairs or down the hall while mom is sleeping, for years sometimes sadly, whether a stepfather, uncle stepbrother, etc. Killing the child at the home, however, may be more unusual.

I as someone else said above, would like to know the layout of the home. Is there an attached garage with a firewall between the garage and home (sound wise) or a finished basement? I would like to know the events the day and night before. I am not victim blaming but were all drinking and celebrating, tired, the child allowed to stay up late due to an event?

He had to carry her one way or the other or walk her or take a vehicle. Leaving the door open does make me wonder if his hands were full. Had he said to her, let's take a walk or go on an adventure and she was walking, there is actually no reason he could not have also taken his skateboard unless he knew he would be carrying her later but then why would you not just dispose of her where you took her to and then take off on your board? However, if his hands were full when he left, because it happened at the home, it may explain the door being left open and the skateboard left behind.

It also was pretty clear from the PC that there was evidence in the home tying him forensically which also lends to it happening there.

I am torn on whether in the house or outside of the home. I also just do not see him walking far in the dark carrying a body. In town or not, with streetlights or yard lights, he still has to navigate in the dark to dispose of her (i hate saying that) and go unnoticed.

Right now I guess I may lean towards in the home although I generally would not in most cases. There is evidence there because something happened there. He had to get rid of her and took her and what he could for evidence, left the door open, left his skateboard and just went to dispose of her and evidence. All videos so far as we know thus far are him seen without her.

All jmo and speculation but I can believe either scenario, inside the home our outside the home at this point.

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[Inthedetails]

Presser: We have evidence that she is at least hurt.

 

[Trudie]

Presser: Don't want to steal hope from people feeling hopeful. Are concerned of Lizzy's safety. Don't want to call it a recovery.

Great. But they did, Saturday night.

@LusciousLeRoy the skateboard is not missing, the child is

 

[Inthedetails]

Dear press conference people - repeat the reporter questions!!