UT -Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City, 6 Dec 2009 - #3

[kiki the parrot]

Originally Posted by fran
Things are mounting up.............anyone else?


fran


1. Husband not the one who reported victim missing.

2. Husband had 'odd' alibi, ie going camping in sub-zero temperartures, late at night, leaving sick wife home alone in bed, and taking two toddlers, pre five yo's into the freezing winter night.

3. Change of story details, here and there or becoming evasive.

4. Avoiding media contact. The few times media managed to get a statement. He cut them off when they asked detailed questions about camping location. His excuse was "I have to get my boys." IMHO, he's using the boys as a shield.

5. Avoiding media questions, ie "Is that where you went camping?" to which he replies, "I have to pick up my boys."

6. Avoids wife-victim's family.

7. Stops talking to LE

8. Concerned with 'his house.'

9. Speaks of victim in 'past-tense.'

10. Speaks of 'buying new clothes and comforter.'

11. Unexplained 'wet spot' in carpeting and 'fans being used to dry.'

12. Gradual release of 'friends and family' speaking of marital problems.

13. Alleged from 'friends' of husband having control issues, which included control of wife ie victim.

14. Alleged from 'friends' of 'verbal abuse' by husband of victim.

15. Alleged statement by one of the children (ok, possibly rumor) "Daddy said mommy stayed in the woods for awhile."

16. Spoke to neighbor about 'hope his bird isn't dead' but didn't talk about his missing wife.

17. Testing generator late at night on camping trip

18. Sledding in the dark? (Locals, is there a place in that area to go sledding in the dark? He told friend he was taking boys sledding, that was at 5:00p.m. and he was seen returning home at 8:30p.m.)

19. Near frost bitten hands.

20. Just the sheer distance of the alleged camp site (3 or 4 hours drive)

21. NOT one sign of husband camping where he said he was.

22. Just plain talking about 'himself,' rather than his missing wife!!!!!!!!

23. No sign of forced entry of home.

24. Friends and neighbors said it was unusual for Josh to suddenly go camping late at night with the children in the freezing weather.

25. Periodic money problems including a past bankruptcy.

26. Joshy tells his FIL the last time he saw Susan was at 12:30, but didn't bother to tell him what a great time was had by all at the wee-hours-of-the-nite-camping-in-subzero-temps-and-snowstorm-in-the-desert outing.
(from Texas Mist)

27. Left sick wife alone, never to check on her and she had NO CAR to go to doctor! (from member passionflower)

28. Wife had gone to bed sick with an ear-ache which meant she most likely had a cold. Yet, husband made her walk home from church in freezing weather, (they only had one car)

29. Susan's friend had spoken to her on Sunday and friend said Susan wasn't sick.

30. Husband said wife sick but she went to bed at 12:30 a.m.

31. Husband said he forgot it was Sunday but he also said he saw last saw Susan at 12:30 a.m. when she went to bed and he was leaving for camping with the kids. She would have reminded him it was Monday and not Sat nite/Sunday a.m. "Got his days mixed up, thought it was Sunday" yet he neither attends church nor allows for boys to go.

32. Susan told co-workers she was physically fearful of her husband.

33. Co-workers say Susan took precautions in case 'anything' happened to her.

34. Josh's BIL stated when asked if he believes Josh had anything to do with Susan's disappearance, "I pray Josh isn't responisble."

35. Susan't friends knowledge of Powell marriage............SEVERAL advised Susan to leave her husband.

36. Susan's family paid for her to have a cell phone in case she was in trouble.

37. Josh refused a lie detector test. (I know this can't be used in court, but in the court of public opinion, it points to him hiding something.

38. Disappeared for 24 hours with rental car, AFTER Susan went missing.

39. Local reporter said that at alleged camping location, you need to travel approximately 20 miles on unpaved road. It was storming. {suspicious}

40. When talking about spur of the moment camping trip with boys, Josh said they '.....liked to have smores in the morning.'

41. Wife's cellphone, purse and belongings LEFT BEHIND...

42. Josh skips town on Dec 18/19 (Fri/Sat) attorney says to spend holidays in Washington with father and step mom.

43. Sunday 2 weeks after Susan disappeared, Josh whereabouts unknown.
Has sons with him....

*Blue are added as the case developes and Websleuthers mention them


REASONS NOT TO LOOK TOWARDS HUSBAND

1. Josh said he didn't harm Susan.

2. Josh's dad said to stop "villifying" JP, he didn't harm his wife.

arrot:

 

[fran]

Actually according to the most recent article (in Salt Lake Tribune), SP's dad has since had a change of heart and no longer has confidence in his SIL's innocence. So I think we can strike #2--tho presumably it could be replaced w "JP's dad says he didn't harm his daughter-in-law"

arrot:

I actually intended to make a notation on the Dad's statement that he'd since changed is mind, but I forgot!

fran

 

[fran]

IMHO, the point of the list shows just HOW MANY THINGS in this case point towards the husband. THAT is why we cannot discount him as a suspect.

It is the husbands duty, IF he's innocent, to cooperate with LE and PROVE he's not guilty so they can look somewhere else. He's made it so LE hasn't been able to get off first base with this mystery, suspicion of the NUMBER 1 USUAL SUSPECT, the victim's husband.

Just sayin'
fran

 

[lonetraveler]

Three and one half hours sledding? WTH? With near zero degrees with two toddlers? I think that he took Susan along and did away with her then. He returned at 8:30pm according to a neighbor. I think that is when the cleanup began. Three to four hours later he packs up the boys and went "camping".

 

[lonetraveler]

Did anyone see Josh and the boys during the sledding event?

 

[passionflower]

Three and one half hours sledding? WTH? With near zero degrees with two toddlers? I think that he took Susan along and did away with her then. He returned at 8:30pm according to a neighbor. I think that is when the cleanup began. Three to four hours later he packs up the boys and went "camping".

Exactly what I have thought all along. ITA
He had a sled to dump her with.......
1/2 hour is to much in that weather outside with2 little ones.
He wanted to be seen coming, going and there.
IIRC he mentioned they stopped an ate also........alibi at MC D's???
another odd thing.
then at 8:30 put tired kids to bed and di his 'clean up', packed for get away and left. Van alarm went of while loading for trip just before he left!
He wasn't thinking or was removing a GPS system?

 

[fran]

Three and one half hours sledding? WTH? With near zero degrees with two toddlers? I think that he took Susan along and did away with her then. He returned at 8:30pm according to a neighbor. I think that is when the cleanup began. Three to four hours later he packs up the boys and went "camping".

I actually contemplated this last evening and forgot about it.

I'm wondering if he actually did leave that night, earlier and return? I know he told the neighbor that he was going to take the boys, but that could have been his way to get rid of her because he MAY have drugged Susan with her dinner, which was why she suddenly got tired and layed down.

What if what the neighbor saw was Josh just moving the car into the garage? So he could load it up?

Of course we'd need to know if it was normal for them to park their car in the garage and if earlier that evening it had been in the garage.

JMHO
fran

 

[lemonmoussetart]

NOW the questions are (if he is in WA):

1) will Josh let the boys see their other/Susan's grandparent's and family at their houses?
this would be a remote chance IMO
if so will he be there with them then entire visit?

2) would he have someone else take them to see Susan's family, or would he do it?
this would mean he has to face them/converse directly

3) am speculating that the closest Susan's family will get to boys (if at all), is to visit
them at his/Josh's family under very close and watchful eyes

4) Josh is liking this very much as now LE has to travel all the way there to question,
unless a video conference can be set up. lawyer is unlikely to OK this.

5) will Josh be attending her vigil in WA tonight? he has had plenty of time to arrive as he
is soo excellent at long overnight trips/drives

 

[fran]

Did anyone see Josh and the boys during the sledding event?

nobody has come forward.

fran

 

[SusanB]

Lonetraveler, I would hope he did not take Susan on the sledding trek - he had the boys with him, and I do not think or I would hope that he did not kill her in their presence.
It does seem an awfully long time to sled with two very small children, though. So, I don't know what to make of it. I think at least the older child would have something to say about what daddy did to mommy if it were true.
I am blown away that he just took off with the children,and apparently LE does not know where exactly he is? I find that hard to believe.
I just pray that he does not flee to Canada, or harm these innocent children in any way.
Thanks, Fran for the list - it's the first time I have heard that JP refused a poly. To me, that in itself is a red flag.
I'm gonna mull over these new developments for a few minutes, am trying to figure out what part his running off to Wash/his family/near to Canada/away from Utah-scene of the crime all means.:waitasec:

 

[passionflower]

Did anyone put a timeline on this last 2 weeks?
Maybe we could put one together. TIA
I'm looking over my notes. But need help........
anyone have the timeline better than I have?

Sunday, December 6, 2009
Susan went to church, walked home with friends.
JP made pancakes and eggs for supper, rarely cooked.
Friend was over to help Susan with crocheting project.
Friend left at 5 pm.
JP took sons sledding in dark at 5:30pm.
Neighbor saw JP come home at 8:30pm
Neighbor heard JP's van's security going off in garage at 11:45pm.

Monday, Dec 7, 2009
JP left for a camping trip at 12:30 am Monday morning with sons.
JP and Susan do not show up for work.
Sons are not at babysitters.
Relatives are called.
Concerned relatives call LE, who break a window for wellness search.
Friend calls JP cell phone at 3pm
Another friend contacts JP by cell phone at 4pm.
JP arrives home at 5pm.

Tuesday, December 8th
JP calls Susan's dad and tells him Susan is missing.
LE takes van.
JP rents a car and leaves for 24 hours.

Wednesday, December 9th
JP comes back home?
Did he take sons for 24 hours?
Where was he?
Police spent two hours removing items from the Powell home.
Police say Josh Powell is not a suspect at this time

Thursday, December 10
Police searched the Simpson Spring Recreation Area and found no sign of Josh Powell's campsite.
Josh Powell speaks briefly with reporters

Friday, December 11
Police stil have no arrests and said Josh Powell is a person of interest

Saturday, December 12:
Susan Powell's father, Charles Cox, traveled to Utah to help search for his daughter.
Josh Powell's family held a press conference and Josh Powell stands silenty with them.
Community members pass out fliers with pictures of Susan Powell.

Sunday, December 13, 2009
1 week Susan is gone.

Monday, December 14:
Josh Powell retains attorney.
JP does not show up to talk with LE.
Skips 3rd interview with LE

Wednesday, December 16,2009
LE takes DNA of Josh Powell.
Search home during a prayer vigil.
LE finds JOURNAL of Susan's at work


Friday/Sat, December 18/19
Josh on the run to Washington?

Saturday, December 19, 2009
ABC subpeoned for video tapes.
All news agencies asked not to destroy video tapes.

Sunday, December 20,2009
2 weeks Susan is gone.
World wide prayer vigil at 8:30pm.
JP and sons where abouts unknown
Steve Powell father of Josh defends son in interview

 

[passionflower]

NOW the questions are (if he is in WA):

1) will Josh let the boys see their other/Susan's grandparent's and family at their houses?
this would be a remote chance IMO
if so will he be there with them then entire visit?

2) would he have someone else take them to see Susan's family, or would he do it?
this would mean he has to face them/converse directly

3) am speculating that the closest Susan's family will get to boys (if at all), is to visit
them at his/Josh's family under very close and watchful eyes

4) Josh is liking this very much as now LE has to travel all the way there to question,
unless a video conference can be set up. lawyer is unlikely to OK this.

5) will Josh be attending her vigil in WA tonight? he has had plenty of time to arrive as he
is soo excellent at long overnight trips/drives

My bet is NO to all the above.........JP only thinks of HIS NEEDS.
Maybe he will leave the sons with HIS father (who is like him?, and get HIS sons later) and split for his freedom.

 

[dreamweaver]

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14037897
updated 7:26pm mst

 

[emmcee]

Do we know what Josh thinks happened to his wife?

Does he think she ran away on her own? If so, wouldn't he suggest places she would be likely to run to? Friends who might hide her? Places to search?

Does he think she was abducted? If so, wouldn't he suggest people she had problems with at work or people who had bothered her in the past?

Have her co-workers, church friends, neighbors, sisters, etc. offered any possible alternative explanations for her disappearance?

Have there been ANY searches for her at all?

 

[SusanB]

Do we know what Josh thinks happened to his wife?

Does he think she ran away on her own? If so, wouldn't he suggest places she would be likely to run to? Friends who might hide her? Places to search?

Does he think she was abducted? If so, wouldn't he suggest people she had problems with at work or people who had bothered her in the past?

Have her co-workers, church friends, neighbors, sisters, etc. offered any possible alternative explanations for her disappearance?

Have there been ANY searches for her at all?

Emm, awesome questions, and my explanation to you would be, HE ALREADY KNOWS WHERE SHE IS, so he does not need to provide and clues about what happened, and everyone around her knows he did something to her, so no one is offering and alternative possibilities for her disappearance.
There were supposed searches by dogs at first - were they cadaver dogs? Don't know. The weather was bad for a couple days, so no search was done at that time. But the weather has since cleared, and seems like LE feels the potential area in question is too large for search parties. I think the4y are just waiting for Joshy to 'fess up and tell them where the body is., Unfortunately, valuable evidence is withering away as we speak, and decomp is progressing (tho the cold weather helps it to some extent)
I was reading the latest article posted above, and I wonder what sorts of "issues" the Cox family has had with Steven Powell? Any ideas out there?
IMOO LE is playing it cool as a cucumber, stating "Josh can go anywhere he wants." I have a feeling they are on him like white on rice, but don't want JPBoy to know. LE stated they have the cooperation of the Wash LE, so that means he is being watched.:innocent:

 

[fran]

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14037897
updated 7:26pm mst

Interesting comment by Mr. Cox.



fran



http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14037897

On Friday, the Coxes told The Salt Lake Tribune that Steven Powell isn't actively

helping in the search for their daughter. The Coxes said they've had "issues" with Steven Powell in the past and aren't comfortable being around him



PS.............sorry SusanB. I see you already mentioned this....fran

 

[omegagal]

I think I get it.... I think that a forensic psych. person is helping and they told LE that you have to let Joshy boy "have control". This is reminding me of how they were able to arrest OJ Simpson. They let him control the situation and arrested him with "honor".... I think they know EXACTLY what they are doing. They aren't going to let Joshy boy get away, they're just letting him hang himself.... We are going to be studying how they did this and why...

The Cox family knows she's gone, now they need Joshy to tell them where. The only way to do that is to let Joshy boy control things so he thinks he's powerful...

Bet you they make a plea in exchange for a body...

 

[fran]

Do we know what Josh thinks happened to his wife?

Does he think she ran away on her own? If so, wouldn't he suggest places she would be likely to run to? Friends who might hide her? Places to search?

Does he think she was abducted? If so, wouldn't he suggest people she had problems with at work or people who had bothered her in the past?

Have her co-workers, church friends, neighbors, sisters, etc. offered any possible alternative explanations for her disappearance?

Have there been ANY searches for her at all?

The only thing he's said publicly is he's still trying to figure it out, {sniff, sniff}.

Oh, but then he said LE is taking care of it.

As far as her co-workers, church friends, and neighbors etc,...well, I've seen friend's blog posts said they suspect the husband, some told her to leave him, she told others she was going to leave by spring if things didn't work out, others she was trying to find a way to save money so she could leave him......................

Nope, no one has an explanation for her disappearance.



JMHO
fran

 

[nervous_nellie]

NOW the questions are (if he is in WA):

1) will Josh let the boys see their other/Susan's grandparent's and family at their houses?
this would be a remote chance IMO
if so will he be there with them then entire visit?

2) would he have someone else take them to see Susan's family, or would he do it?
this would mean he has to face them/converse directly

3) am speculating that the closest Susan's family will get to boys (if at all), is to visit
them at his/Josh's family under very close and watchful eyes

4) Josh is liking this very much as now LE has to travel all the way there to question,
unless a video conference can be set up. lawyer is unlikely to OK this.

5) will Josh be attending her vigil in WA tonight? he has had plenty of time to arrive as he
is soo excellent at long overnight trips/drives

im thinking he will not want the kids around anyone to avoid them being asked questions(at least the 4yr.old) for fear of having a "balloon boy" episode ... it sort of sounds like to me that joshys' daddy wants to protect them from the bad police and reporters. the comments from his dad really make my skin crawl - MAJOR FAIL

 

[SusanB]

Interesting comment by Mr. Cox.



fran



http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14037897

On Friday, the Coxes told The Salt Lake Tribune that Steven Powell isn't actively

helping in the search for their daughter. The Coxes said they've had "issues" with Steven Powell in the past and aren't comfortable being around him



PS.............sorry SusanB. I see you already mentioned this....fran

No prob, Fran. I'm thinking that Steven Powell is probably as unpleasant and self-serving as JP. You know, like father like son. Only speculation here, but SP may have backed up JP in many regards, thus angering the Cox side of the family. Wonder if there are any specific incidents that the "issues" refers to.:waitasec: